Because this isn't convoluted at all
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DC Universe Rebirth Begins This May
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Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
That's why it would include a re-release. If it's not re-released under the new banner, it's not canon. No real difference than Star Wars Legacy (non-canon) versus canon Star Wars media.
Or, like I said, just reboot the whole thing with fresh stories not tied down to any past books.
The New52 was much more convoluted than either of those options (it was some stuff is canon in total with some characters, some stuff is wiped, and the timeline doesn't make sense).
IndoAssassin
Banned
Especially now since collecting all the stories from the 80's and 90's us so damn expensive now.
New 52 wasn't confusing at all, It was my first time I read comics and it seemed pretty simple even with the five year Gap.
Year 1 (Action Comics) - Suoerman has been around for around six months or so. It's also the same time Zero Year happened and other of the major heroes first appeared.
Year 2- One year later the Justice League is formed after stopping Darksied invasion of earth.
Then there's a five year Gap where every other #1 took place in.
Just wasn't that good
My beef with New 52 was that although it was a relaunch, it as written and planned like it wasn't one; right from the start you had a billion superheroes across 52 titles and it was way overwhelming.
They need a single (1) book that everyone can get behind and gradually re-introduce superheroes across the years.
They need a single (1) book that everyone can get behind and gradually re-introduce superheroes across the years.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
People talk about Batman continuity being a mess but the Green Lantern line was a damn clusterfuck.
googleplex
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Nu-52 Wonder Woman was fucking fantastic. The best that character has ever been.
And Superman recent run as been pretty amazing also.
That is where every DC Reboot/Relaunch fails, they want a fresh take. But with decades of baggage that only a few love and care about.
Just my opinion but WW being Zeus' kid took more away from her character then it added.
Pissed on Cassie too.
Green lantern and making everything happen within the course of 5 years I believe was a bad idea but the rest was awesome
I stopped at Blackest Night pre 52 and when I checked in on the new runs they were different degrees of crap. I even tried the newest Green Lantern where he is some space outlaw with a space trenchcoat and it was crap too. Least Kyle is in a good book.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I bet they do but movie/tv comic tie ins or restructuring continuity to match something outside the comics doesn't work.
Batman and Green Lantern ended up a clusterfuck thanks to the Morrison and Johns runs that were still in progress. Batman could have been salvaged if they changed Batman Incorporated to an out of continuity tale, but they didn't.
Nah man it had plenty of good books upon launch
Batman
I,Vampire
Omac
Justice League
Justice League Dark
Swamp Thing
Animal Man
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern
Aquaman
Batwoman
Red Hood and the Outlaws
Supergirl
Demon Knights
Frakenstien agent of shade
You set your comics universe in your movie universe, and you are inherently then limiting what you can do on either side, or you risk making things extra confusing if people aren't consuming both. I mean the Flash/Arrow comics set in the TV show universe can't go killing anyone or doing anything major by the fact that their TV audience may not even know those comics exist.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Batman got salvaged pretty nicely by all really great Batman comics they put out.
Continuity isn't everything.
Some of it, yes. But there have been some amazing titles to come out of it.
bad form all around
Honestly, not enough meat there. They have to fill about 20 books a month and the movies move at glacier speed compare to the comics
If you think about it, using the 5 years thing Hal pretty much became GL, then went Parallax in like 6 months.
I agree. But it was messier than it needed to be. And it was messy because they needed to keep Morrison's Batman Incorporated run in continuity.
Pilgrimzero
Member
This. And Im still conflicted about her hooking up with Superman.
JimiNutz
Banned
Works for Star Wars?
Let me rephrase it, it wasn't executed as good as it needed to be
Seems like the same reasoning behind Storm and Black Panther hooking up.
Honestly I don't see Wonder Woman with any of the JLA folks. Except maybe Kyle, she is all Alpha and needs a good Beta.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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They should have gotten rid of all of the Robins except Dick Grayson and started with the original Batman and Robin. Having 5 robins issue 1 goes against rebooting to simply things. If you want to bring in the other Robins later fine, write some cool stories about it but if you are wiping the slate clean go back to Batman and Robin at their most basic and recognizable form.
Star Wars is set over decades in a whole galactic community. And the new movies are moving forward in time, aside from one-off side stories that are inherently designed to not interfere with the main Skywalker story.
That's like the most believable thing out of all of this lol
I would like this also. Bringing back Barry just to shit out a load of mediocre comics makes the Wally fan in me tear up.
And batman went through 3 robins and batgirl within that time lol. That time deal was terrible but it the new 52 produced a lot of great books that allowed a new comer like to me to get into swamp thing and batwoman
Chiaroscuro
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Agreed on both, but still a fresh take on the character, visually great (gods visuals, WW costume - changing all the gold for silver was the best idea), net concepts for the Amazons (much more like the legends, less greek, mortals). A darker tone that helped the character imo. Changing her origins is part of this dark tone (made from mud is classic but softly, even the George Perez after Crisis version of it).
That should never hapenned. Fanboy fantasies.
Pilgrimzero
Member
I just like that they have a deep and loving friendship. I also like that in Kingdom Come (I think) many years after Lois has died, they then explore a relationship.
E the Shaggy
Junior Member
Maybe if these were the first comics you ever read, but even then.
Like Blackest Night still happened in the New 52, but how the hell could it have when some of the characters in it either a.) didn't exist or b.) had never died?
For the longest time, nobody knew if Death of Superman had actually happened. Kyle Rayner's entire origin was apparently rewritten because Coast City was never destroyed/Hal never destroyed the Corps/Kyle was given his ring for some reason (again never explained).
Tim Drake's and Jason Todd's origins were vastly different yet they wanted you to just sort of think that everything stayed the same from the old continuity. Knightfall still happened somehow!
Nobody knew what the hell did and didn't happen in the New 52, its a mess.
Huh!? The new 52 flash comics were amazing and fun to read. The rogues were also cool
Definitely. As stated, that 5 year time period implied some weird storytelling across several titles.
Jorok Goldblade
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They should do three universes:
Earth 2
A universe with the classic/ Silver Age heroes
A universe with the legacy heroes from the nineties and 2000s.
Earth 2
A universe with the classic/ Silver Age heroes
A universe with the legacy heroes from the nineties and 2000s.
Chiaroscuro
Member
That would shit on Nightwing which is a great character (unless you are thinking in retelling his growth in like a yar of comics which would also be a mess. Plus, the best Robin, Tim (they f* him anyway...)
The problem with Batman and almost every DC character is his baggage that no way could fit in a 5 years spam. To get rid of it is to get rud of other great characters/moments. It us a no win situation.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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"5 year gap" is comic book talk for "We don't want to actually have to figure this shit out so we're making it as vague as possible".
The only good thing about New 52 Flash is that Francis Manapul can draw shit and make it look amazing. That whole run is boring and soured me on Barry until the show merged him and Wally together to make some sort of CW charm monster.
JimiNutz
Banned
Isn't Batman already well established in the DC CU? Ben Affleck isn't playing a young Bruce Wayne is he? Why can't we see his past in comic book form?
They could do a young Clark Kent book, set when he's a teenager growing up in Smalville. Or a Superman book filling in-between Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman?
Wonder Woman movie is set in WWI? I'm sure they could do a prequel book. Or any kind of book set between Wonder Woman and Batman vs Superman?
Boring? Yeesh man we read different comics then
slightconfuse
Banned
Can I get a legion of superheroes book please
Schweinehund
Member
I don't care about relaunch #'s, I usually trade wait for the most part.
What I am interested in is seeing a Shazam ongoing. I'm guessing it will be a relaunch, with some continuity alterations but still set on prime earth. Titan's hunt seems to be reforming the titans group, so maybe you'll see pre-flashpoint Wally return. I'm hoping to see the JSA return as well.
I'm guessing their goal will be to promote the core franchises & movies. So all the characters on the DC film slate will get an ongoing, plus suicide squad. Maybe the bimonthly ongoing rumor will be true as well, and they'll double down on Batman, Justice League and Harley. We may get Dark Universe as well to go alongside the movie
I really doubt there will be significant alterations to move the comics in line with the TV's and movies. DC has tried in the past to do that and it fell flat on it's face. There's digital firsts that tie in with shows directly that are available for that crowd.
What I am interested in is seeing a Shazam ongoing. I'm guessing it will be a relaunch, with some continuity alterations but still set on prime earth. Titan's hunt seems to be reforming the titans group, so maybe you'll see pre-flashpoint Wally return. I'm hoping to see the JSA return as well.
I'm guessing their goal will be to promote the core franchises & movies. So all the characters on the DC film slate will get an ongoing, plus suicide squad. Maybe the bimonthly ongoing rumor will be true as well, and they'll double down on Batman, Justice League and Harley. We may get Dark Universe as well to go alongside the movie
I really doubt there will be significant alterations to move the comics in line with the TV's and movies. DC has tried in the past to do that and it fell flat on it's face. There's digital firsts that tie in with shows directly that are available for that crowd.
googleplex
Member
No, Clay golem baby origin has always been stupid. I really dig that new lore Themyscira, the Amazons, and the Male children of the Amazons.
The Manapul/Buccelato run looked amazing but aside from the Gorilla Grodd arc was boring as shit. And the Rogues should never be metahumans, part of their charm is they're just normal dudes with crazy weapons.
I didn't find it boring at all and the whole point of the new 52 was to change up the game not keep doing the same shit. Dc fans gotta adapt like marvel fans out here.
slightconfuse
Banned
Feel like a shazam book has been teased forever. No idea what johns is waiting for
Chiaroscuro
Member
They tried it several times, including 2 books after New 52. Don't work. Plus the team has at least 3 main versions/timelines and everyone has his favorite.
And if DC cannot do shit to explain continuity in the present how they would explain it in the future?
I'd be down for a few legion books in the relaunch. Two with the legion branding and a third about Mon El.
They already do tie in comics for the shows so doing some for the movies is something I could see them doing.
Yup boring and badly written much like the same creative teams effort on Detective Comics.
Marvel fans be saying you don't need to adapt because they might change the disc but they still end up playing the same game.
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