actually love that stuffPro mode: additional micro-shadowing detail that helps reveal the fine bumps in stones, bricks etc.
What about all the negative articles until now, you know, when people actually got access and can see the improvements?The bullshit machine over this console is in full motion
We’re going to see an awful lot of ‘ITZ SO MUCH BETTA! type articles.
Let's be honest, what are the odds that you see "substantial" improvements over shadows that were already pretty good to begin with? It's not like Demon's Souls Shadows looked pixelated or flickered or were blurry. They already looked fine, and now they will look better, but unless they do changes to the lighting, geometry, effects, or something more impactful, there's almost no chance it will look significantly better.What about all the negative articles until now, you know, when people actually got access and can see the improvements?
I'd say that 1440p->4k is a big improvements in terms of image quality.Let's be honest, what are the odds that you see "substantial" improvements over shadows that were already pretty good to begin with? It's not like Demon's Souls Shadows looked pixelated or flickered or were blurry. They already looked fine, and now they will look better, but unless they do changes to the lighting, geometry, effects, or something more impactful, there's almost no chance it will look significantly better.
The Pro's objective is to take the 30fps mode and make it run at 60fps. There can be nice improvements if they put in the work like the guys did with F1 2024, but just improving shadows that were already fine? Yeah, hard to buy it.
That's an improvement to the frame rate, not the IQ. There is already a 4K mode, but it runs at 30fps. What you get is double the frame rate and better shadows. Will it make 4K look substantially better? Probably not. Will it run much better? Yes.I'd say that 1440p->4k is a big improvements in terms of image quality.
Sure, there's a 4k mode, but for most people that only played the game at the 60fps mode it might as well not be there, so for them it's an image quality improvement (including me) as we will keep playing the game at the same framerate we already did. I'm not sure why we're arguing semantics here though. Surely we agree that 30fps should be a thing of the past and the whole point of the pro is good image quality at 60fps, at least in most games.That's an improvement to the frame rate, not the IQ. There is already a 4K mode, but it runs at 30fps. What you get is double the frame rate and better shadows. Will it make 4K look substantially better? Probably not. Will it run much better? Yes.
I’m just taking the best looking mode vs best looking mode. Same way that if I compare console vs PC, it’s always the quality mode, never the performance mode.Sure, there's a 4k mode, but for most people that only played the game at the 60fps mode it might as well not be there, so for them it's an image quality improvement (including me) as we will keep playing the game at the same framerate we already did. I'm not sure why we're arguing semantics here though. Surely we agree that 30fps should be a thing of the past and the whole point of the pro is good image quality at 60fps, at least in most games.
Why is it horrible? Its not a fast paced game
When you need a tech experts website to tell you something looks "substantialy better", is because it doesn't looks substantialy better.
Who cares if it was needed or not? It's there and we're glad it is.James lets agree that this game didn't quite need the PS5 Pro enhancement. The game looked great in it's performance mode on base PS5 since day one. The added clarity isn't discernible on the Pro for this game and that's exactly what Digital Foundry is echoing in their analysis. It's nice to have but wasn't needed compared to the other games that are benefitting from the Pro upgrades.
You mean the best right?.Still one of the best looking games this gen.
Just saying as someone who finished it on both PS4 and PC the improvements in RT and lighting, not to mention more detailed textures, REALLY help the game feel full in a way that isn't obvious till you experience it.Now Do Returnal…
One of the best games of this gen.
Eh, I would consider myself lucky to get something at 4K/60fps instantly recognizable as "substantially better" than this any earlier than PS6 Pro. lolWhen you need a tech experts website to tell you something looks "substantialy better", is because it doesn't looks substantialy better.
OP simply copied the wccftech article title.PS fanboys need to learn how to use adverbs more appropriately.
DeS is still the most next generation looking game. It's the whole reason I bought a PS5.
Let's be honest, what are the odds that you see "substantial" improvements over shadows that were already pretty good to begin with? It's not like Demon's Souls Shadows looked pixelated or flickered or were blurry. They already looked fine, and now they will look better, but unless they do changes to the lighting, geometry, effects, or something more impactful, there's almost no chance it will look significantly better.
The Pro's objective is to take the 30fps mode and make it run at 60fps. There can be nice improvements if they put in the work like the guys did with F1 2024, but just improving shadows that were already fine? Yeah, hard to buy it.
It's just shadows.
I’m sure it’s not horrible but it feels poor compared to the 60 fps mode.Why is it horrible? Its not a fast paced game
im not from software games, i dont even know why i bought it in the first place.
Huh? They got early access and spoke to a bunch of Sony devs directly.It's a shame that Sony refuse to deal with Digital Foundry, it would be interesting to get their take on this.
DF was at the hands-on event.It's a shame that Sony refuse to deal with Digital Foundry, it would be interesting to get their take on this.
Isn't that one of the main points of PC gaming as well? Just bought a better card for a few dollars more, now I can move shadows from high to ultra when high was already fine. That seems to be accepted on pc but if a console does it : Waste of time, just be happy with medium shadows.Why is DF sucking Hermans dick so much? Wow amazing you can replay the game for the millionth time but with a bit better graphics.
Just bought a better card for at least a few hundred dollars more, now I can move shadows from high to ultra when high was already fine.
This is top tier commentary if people only looked at the name of the OP.The claims of a Lunatic.
This doesn't make sense in terms of what you were comparing though:That's an improvement to the frame rate, not the IQ. There is already a 4K mode, but it runs at 30fps. What you get is double the frame rate and better shadows. Will it make 4K look substantially better? Probably not. Will it run much better? Yes.
The improvement would be: better Shadows on Pro at 4k against the PS5 at 1440p (the performance mode resolution).Same Gaffers when they see games running with better shadows on the Pro at 1440p against the PS5 at 1440p:
I was taking the piss. This was also a dig at those pretending that 4K is only "slightly" sharper than 1080p.This doesn't make sense in terms of what you were comparing though:
Well I can see you were taking the piss but why were you saying the pro mode is 1440p like the standard PS5 in that comparison? Then when somebody came and said it's a 1440p to 4k improvement you said it's only a fps improvement because there is a 4k 30fps mode on standard PS5. It doesn't make any sense really. The PS5 standard 1440p performance mode is now 4k performance mode with better shadows. Not 1440p vs 1440p.I was taking the piss. This was also a dig at those pretending that 4K is only "slightly" sharper than 1080p.
1. People were saying in the past that going from 1080p to 4K was just a "slightly sharper" image when it comes to PC. I pretend that 1440p upscaled to 4K using PSSR is just 1440p because if 1080p>4K is only a bit sharper, then 1440p>4K PSSR is basically the same image quality.Well I can see you were taking the piss but why were you saying the pro mode is 1440p like the standard PS5 in that comparison? Then when somebody came and said it's a 1440p to 4k improvement you said it's only a fps improvement because there is a 4k 30fps mode on standard PS5. It doesn't make any sense really. The PS5 standard 1440p performance mode is now 4k performance mode with better shadows. Not 1440p vs 1440p.
I find it funny that one of the marketing points from the PS5 announcement was being able to remove the decision surrounding graphics modes, yet every game seems to actually be adding more graphics modes to the list.Original Performance (1440p60) and Cinematic (2160p30) modes still options
Does PS5 Pro remove the DEI shit they added to the game?
Yes I get you were "taking the piss" by using upscaled res for PC (pathtraced 4k native? Not a chance) and native for PS5 or whatever the hell was going on there but it's just bizarre to reply to somebody who was saying the bigger difference is going from 1440p to 4k on Pro by saying there is a 30fps 4k mode on standard PS5. You were comparing to the 60fps 1440p mode on standard PS5.1. People were saying in the past that going from 1080p to 4K was just a "slightly sharper" image when it comes to PC. I pretend that 1440p upscaled to 4K using PSSR is just 1440p because if 1080p>4K is only a bit sharper, then 1440p>4K PSSR is basically the same image quality.