Cyberpunk 2077 Looks and Runs Much Better on Nintendo Switch 2 Than Steam Deck, New Footage Confirms

Because I can't have the same performance/graphics of the docked mode on SW2 playing handheld. On Deck I can.
That's an advantage of the Switch over their competitors and comparisons shouldn't be limited only for handheld mode, if we do that we are not going to have Switch 2 VS consoles comparisons… Also, looks like the Switch 2 runs Cyberpunk better than the SD even on handheld mode.
 
Is this surprising? Switch 2 has certain newer feature-sets that allow the game to run better on a mobile chipset.
It's not surprising no, just that there's a subset of people here who keep trying to downplay the Switch 2. I think most of everyone is okay with PS4/PS4Pro level of graphics on a hybrid console.
 
It's not surprising no, just that there's a subset of people here who keep trying to downplay the Switch 2. I think most of everyone is okay with PS4/PS4Pro level of graphics on a hybrid console.
Personally I'm ecstatic. Neither the Steam deck nor ROG Ally are super ideal/ designed for docked-to-TV play, and it shows. I tried with both but just unhappy with it in general.
 
Specifically tailored version of a last gen game for a platform with DLSS, VRR etc vs. bruteforcing the standard version on a 3 year old system with garbage FSR....

The only thing this comparison shows is that people referring to it in regards to "Switch 2 wohoo" are utterly technologically incompetent.....or simply trolling/playing the clown like that GigaBowser dude.
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The thing runs better on SW2, whether you bitch or not. Also "technologically incompetent"? Get over yourself… fucking nerds.
 
Personally I'm ecstatic. Neither the Steam deck nor ROG Ally are super ideal/ designed for docked-to-TV play, and it shows. I tried with both but just unhappy with it in general.
I've had the Steam Deck since year one. Was in like wave 2 or 3 for it's release - it's a really nice piece of technology and having access to my steam library in bed is pretty cool but docked mode is so finicky that I've only used it a couple of times.

I'm very excited for the Switch 2
 
That's an advantage of the Switch over their competitors and comparisons shouldn't be limited only for handheld mode, if we do that we are not going to have Switch 2 VS consoles comparisons… Also, looks like the Switch 2 runs Cyberpunk better than the SD even on handheld mode.
It's an advantage of the Switch that it can't run at full clocks in handheld mode how???
 
runs better than SD is not something to brag about.
Theres serious frame drop on the switch 2.
 
Wonder if in the final version the docked gameplay will play smoother maybe 40fps locked?! Be nice to have options to turn off some shine to get a stable frame rate
 
Most people had it slightly above a steamdeck which seems to be the case. It would've been truly sad if it was worse than a deck deck released 3 years ago.
 
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The thing runs better on SW2, whether you bitch or not. Also "technologically incompetent"? Get over yourself… fucking nerds.
can`t even follow 2 sentences and calls others "nerds" because they actually understand what they are seeing....

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So, the fan cools the dock so the dock won't overheat? Can you hear how ridiculous that sounds?

No less ridiculous than a fan blowing on the outside of a device with a fan already in it allowing it to double the framerate. Literally EVERY SINGLE DEVICE IN EXISTENCE handheld and laptop does not need a fan inside a dock to run at turbo speeds plugged in to power. Who sounds ridiculous now?

The res/fps boost is power draw, all day, every day. More power = more power.

Ally X can run from ~15W - 40W just like the Switch 2 is going to, and without a fan on the dock.

If blowing a little air on the outside of the Switch 2 is all it takes to stop if from exploding, good luck. I'll just turn on my box fan, and be fine then as it'll have the same effect.
 
No less ridiculous than a fan blowing on the outside of a device with a fan already in it allowing it to double the framerate. Literally EVERY SINGLE DEVICE IN EXISTENCE handheld and laptop does not need a fan inside a dock to run at turbo speeds plugged in to power. Who sounds ridiculous now?
I'm gonna trust Nintendo's R&D here. Not some internet forum poster with an agenda. Nintendo only had about a decade to plan this move. 💡
 
I'm gonna trust Nintendo's R&D here. Not some internet forum poster with an agenda. Nintendo only had about a decade to plan this move. 💡

Dbrand already said the Dock does not have a fan for the purpose of cooling the Switch 2 (they make third party docks), DF said it in the video as well, and you are unable to post a single device in all history that requires a fan in a dock to cool it.

Yeah, I'm not convinced yet.
 
Dbrand already said the Dock does not have a fan for the purpose of cooling the Switch 2 (they make third party docks), DF said it in the video as well, and you are unable to post a single device in all history that requires a fan in a dock to cool it.

Yeah, I'm not convinced yet.
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lmfao. There's no use in arguing with some people - who knew we'd hit a fangate level of idiocy

So your theory is the Switch 2 cannot operate without a fan blowing on the outside of it in a docked profile, and yet you cannot show a single device ever made that does that?

Even if you were correct, then all you'd need to do is get a little portable fan and blow air at the device, but I don't believe that for a second.
 
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I've had the Steam Deck since year one. Was in like wave 2 or 3 for it's release - it's a really nice piece of technology and having access to my steam library in bed is pretty cool but docked mode is so finicky that I've only used it a couple of times.

I'm very excited for the Switch 2
This. Same
 
The fan is pointing to the console, that's doesn't make sense…

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Perhaps, but consider the dock is going inside of a TV cabinet, enclosed. You are going to essentially be blowing warm air at a solid slab of plastic (or a solid screen if it faces the other way). That's not very convincing, and it is not going to be cooling down the chips inside of that device - the fans inside will be doing that.

The dock itself absolutely will generate heat. IMO it's extremely likely that the additional heat generated by the dock is what the fan is helping to distribute away.
 
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This. Nintendo wouldn't have put a fan in the dock if it wasn't absolutely necessary. I don't require more explanation than that.

I mean the device will work in third party docks, just like the Switch 1, and every laptop/handheld ever made just about.

What will be your answer when it works in docks without fans? Docks that are just a USB-C cable, like the Switch 1, Ally X, Ally, MSI Claw, Deck, and thousands of other devices?
 
The dock itself absolutely will generate heat. IMO it's extremely likely that the additional heat generated by the dock is what the fan is helping to distribute away.
This, at a bare minimum, is what I'm thinking of. If the dock's heat (which is building up by being a plastic chalupa surrounding an ever-warming Switch 2 being blanketed by it) is what the dock's fan is dissipating, that is actually contributing to keeping the Switch 2 cool on the inside of the chalupa.
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Perhaps, but consider the dock is going inside of a TV cabinet, enclosed. You are going to essentially be blowing warm air at a solid slab of plastic (or a solid screen if it faces the other way). That's not very convincing, and it is not going to be cooling down the chips inside of that device - the fans inside will be doing that.

The dock itself absolutely will generate heat. IMO it's extremely likely that the additional heat generated by the dock is what the fan is helping to distribute away.
I think that the fan is just for cool a little bit the back of the console…
 
This, at a bare minimum, is what I'm thinking of. If the dock's heat (which is building up by being a plastic chalupa surrounding an ever-warming Switch 2 being blanketed by it) is what the dock's fan is dissipating, that is actually contributing to keeping the Switch 2 cool on the inside of the chalupa.

So I'll drop this here, and take all the crow I deserve, when the times comes, admit I'm wrong and everything.

I'm not arguing this to be a jerk or delusional, and I can see Nintendo is saying the fan in the dock aids in the cooling. I agree like you quoted it does likely help remove heat. Logically it cannot remove heat from inside the Switch 2, when there's no holes for the air to pass through to get inside the Switch 2. But it can help cool down the outside, where it will be blowing air on.

But none of that is going to stop me from trying to achieve using the Switch 2 in a dock that is more portable than the one the system comes with. I did it with the Switch 1, and it allows me to connect it to XR glasses, and output to a 1080p, 120hz OLED screen on the go. Maybe it won't work. But, everything I've seen so far hasn't convinced me of that, and no one has made an argument beyond "Nintendo says so." - and even then they don't explicitly say anywhere it is incompatible with third party docks - because that would be pretty dumb IMO.

But we will see! If I end up losing a Switch 2 to satisfy my curiosity, that's on me, and I'll only have myself to blame. But I have had dozens of devices, handhelds, laptops, tablets, and plenty more powerful than the Switch 2, and they all work with docks without fans in the dock.

And when your dock is a mere USB-C cable, no plastic enclosure at all, there's no additional heat being built up around the Switch 2 in the first place.
 
I'm still not going to buy it, but I am glad the Switch 2 is powerful enough. It must lead to some decent first-party games when it comes to graphics.

I am actually excited about the system. when will the preorders open in Canada anyway?

I need to buy it from Walmart because if it has dead pixels on the screen I am returning that shit right away --_--
 
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So I'll drop this here, and take all the crow I deserve, when the times comes, admit I'm wrong and everything.

I'm not arguing this to be a jerk or delusional, and I can see Nintendo is saying the fan in the dock aids in the cooling. I agree like you quoted it does likely help remove heat. Logically it cannot remove heat from inside the Switch 2, when there's no holes for the air to pass through to get inside the Switch 2. But it can help cool down the outside, where it will be blowing air on.

But none of that is going to stop me from trying to achieve using the Switch 2 in a dock that is more portable than the one the system comes with. I did it with the Switch 1, and it allows me to connect it to XR glasses, and output to a 1080p, 120hz OLED screen on the go. Maybe it won't work. But, everything I've seen so far hasn't convinced me of that, and no one has made an argument beyond "Nintendo says so." - and even then they don't explicitly say anywhere it is incompatible with third party docks - because that would be pretty dumb IMO.

But we will see! If I end up losing a Switch 2 to satisfy my curiosity, that's on me, and I'll only have myself to blame. But I have had dozens of devices, handhelds, laptops, tablets, and plenty more powerful than the Switch 2, and they all work with docks without fans in the dock.

And when your dock is a mere USB-C cable, no plastic enclosure at all, there's no additional heat being built up around the Switch 2 in the first place.
I wouldn't even consider it eating crow. If it's a dock like the Steam Deck's (which I own) negates the need of a fan, then have at that portable dock, duderino; it probably wouldn't need a fan (but still cost me $80).
 
The fan is pointing to the console, that's doesn't make sense…

Yea I've been thinking about that for a while and I think we're missing something.

Yes, the 60W "dock" part would for sure help evacuate heat that would otherwise also harm the console by being like a heat sink and slowly creeping up to the switch 2 components.

But

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Look on left side. Intake for Switch 2's active cooling to pass through the dock. Why would the right side be blocked? There's also on the switch 2 bottom an intake equally distanced on the right side. (which is left side in bottom image when looking at switch 2's screen).

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My thermal engineering class is a bit dusty and its a fucked up subject to be honest, but I still work with cooling systems throughout my projects at work with CFD analysis and so on. There's a couple of phenomena they could introduce if they play with basic physics such as Venturi/Bernoulli's. With a controlled entry into that area with a designed funnel, a fan could simply create an area of low pressure that entrains even more air and combines with the previous direct method of the inside switch 2 cooling system. Air/Fluids love to increase speed when there's a decrease in static pressure. Not 100% of it but that's something they could play with and give a good ratio of additional intake air into switch 2 and also a percentage to cool the dock. Imagine the dock fan + switch 2 internal fan pulling air and creating a huge pressure drop. Pressure drop → more air → better cooling.

There's a lot of things they can do here... and maybe just nothing too but I think that would be a lost opportunity when the bottom of the fucking switch 2 has intake in that area. Certainly not blocked by that USB/HDMI section.
 
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Switch 1 outsold Steam Deck nearly 50 to 1 despite being weaker technically and now Switch 2 has flipped that around.
You do realize Switch 1 released 4 years earlier than the SD, is sold literally in every store that has anything to do with gaming or family and is heavily advertized 24/7 while SD for most people you have to order directly from Valve. You dont just walk into a Walmart and chose which SD version you want nor do you see posters and billboards of it. Its very obvious who buys a SD, someone who actually knows about gaming while the Switch is something even a granny knows would be a nice Christmas gift for her grandson for Christmas. The comparison is stupid and like I said, the ones that know, know that you can play Switch games on SD at higer FPS and resolution too lol. But its not for someone that never tinkered with anything but a hammer in their life.
 
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You do realize Switch 1 released 4 years earlier than the SD, is sold literally in every store that has anything to do with gaming or family and is heavily advertized 24/7 while SD for most people you have to order directly from Valve. You dont just walk into a Walmart and chose which SD version you want nor do you see posters and billboards of it. Its very obvious who buys a SD, someone who actually knows about gaming while the Switch is something even a granny knows would be a nice Christmas gift for her grandson for Christmas. The comparison is stupid and like I said, the ones that know, know that you can play Switch games on SD at higer FPS and resolution too lol. But its not for someone that never tinkered with anything but a hammer in their life.
That's news to me. When I had a Steam Deck I tried playing Super Mario Odyssey and it ran like shit.

I am not a fan of Yuzu and Ryujinx, I would sooner play something at 30fps on the Switch. There's a reason when you play BOTW emulated pretty much everyone will tell you to use Cemu.
 
I imagined DLSS alone with give the Switch 2 an edge over the deck for playing games, because you get far superior upscaling vs the mess that is FSR2. Just hoping for the next Steam Deck it gets FSR4, then the difference won't matter, because I never turn FSR on it because of how crap it looks.

That's news to me. When I had a Steam Deck I tried playing Super Mario Odyssey and it ran like shit.

I am not a fan of Yuzu and Ryujinx, I would sooner play something at 30fps on the Switch. There's a reason when you play BOTW emulated pretty much everyone will tell you to use Cemu.

Emulation for Switch games on the Deck does vary, but I played Super Mario Wonder with no issues. Yuzu and Ryujinx play plenty of the Switch library well, but there are still games with issues.
 
CDPR used the Xbox Series S version for Switch 2, proof is in the settings menu during the DF video

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These descriptions are identical to Series S and probably not yet updated for Switch 2 release.

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Unfortunately Nintendo has just removed all mentions of VRR dock functionality from their websites, which suggests that this game will run at 30 on your TV.

Without VRR 40fps has to be absolutely pitch perfect in frame time and framerate and I don't see that happening. Especially not with CP.
 
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I imagined DLSS alone with give the Switch 2 an edge over the deck for playing games, because you get far superior upscaling vs the mess that is FSR2. Just hoping for the next Steam Deck it gets FSR4, then the difference won't matter, because I never turn FSR on it because of how crap it looks.



Emulation for Switch games on the Deck does vary, but I played Super Mario Wonder with no issues. Yuzu and Ryujinx play plenty of the Switch library well, but there are still games with issues.
When I said I preferred playing on actual og hardware I got laughed here and told that I don't know current state of emulation or whatever. Someone is lying here lol
 
Unfortunately Nintendo has just removed all mentions of VRR dock functionality from their websites, which suggests that this game will run at 30 on your TV.

Without VRR 40fps has to be absolutely pitch perfect in frame time and framerate and I don't see that happening. Especially not with CP.

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Yea I've been thinking about that for a while and I think we're missing something.

Yes, the 60W "dock" part would for sure help evacuate heat that would otherwise also harm the console by being like a heat sink and slowly creeping up to the switch 2 components.

But

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Look on left side. Intake for Switch 2's active cooling to pass through the dock. Why would the right side be blocked? There's also on the switch 2 bottom an intake equally distanced on the right side. (which is left side in bottom image when looking at switch 2's screen).

CwHi0Fs.jpeg


My thermal engineering class is a bit dusty and its a fucked up subject to be honest, but I still work with cooling systems throughout my projects at work with CFD analysis and so on. There's a couple of phenomena they could introduce if they play with basic physics such as Venturi/Bernoulli's. With a controlled entry into that area with a designed funnel, a fan could simply create an area of low pressure that entrains even more air and combines with the previous direct method of the inside switch 2 cooling system. Air/Fluids love to increase speed when there's a decrease in static pressure. Not 100% of it but that's something they could play with and give a good ratio of additional intake air into switch 2 and also a percentage to cool the dock. Imagine the dock fan + switch 2 internal fan pulling air and creating a huge pressure drop. Pressure drop → more air → better cooling.

There's a lot of things they can do here... and maybe just nothing too but I think that would be a lost opportunity when the bottom of the fucking switch 2 has intake in that area. Certainly not blocked by that USB/HDMI section.

Mods please unban MrFunSocks MrFunSocks . Only he can explain this madness. House analogy incoming....

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