The Iron Yuppie
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I got one with return to sender, it's nice but the range is pretty lacking.
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Destiny |OT12| Play. Whine. Repeat.
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I got one with return to sender, it's nice but the range is pretty lacking.
silver.tongue
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LollipoPReapeR
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Why do you care how someone else wants to play the game, though? If someone else wants to cheese their way through every encounter, it's no skin off my back. And honestly, if my raid team is sucking and banging their head against Crota for 4 hours, I'd have preferred that someone just cheesed him so I can move on with my life. I've already downed him multiple times without, so it's not like I get additional satisfaction from it anymore. I would get immense satisfaction at getting those 4 hours back tho
Why would someone be in the raid and not get loot? Of course you'd get loot, assuming you can log in.
She's 27 lol, so she can log in but she'll probably just see ?? above everyone's heads haha. I might try this later on if a bunch of people are up for it.
Cheese wise, it is completely unnecessary as it can be done legit easier than Atheon. But then again, if I want another shot at RNG which screws me over by ONLY giving me two shards on Crota (twice), I say fuck it.
Guardians: need a little bit of guidance here.
Just turned level 26. Rank 2 crucible, rank 1 vanguard. Have two pieces of crucible gear (boots and chest).
What do I do now to effectively progress? Working towards new gauntlets but then? Vault of Glass maybe?
Just kind of feel like I'm spinning my wheels but know Destiny is really kind of about this (the grind!). Just want to effectively grind, ya know.
Just turned level 26. Rank 2 crucible, rank 1 vanguard. Have two pieces of crucible gear (boots and chest).
What do I do now to effectively progress? Working towards new gauntlets but then? Vault of Glass maybe?
Just kind of feel like I'm spinning my wheels but know Destiny is really kind of about this (the grind!). Just want to effectively grind, ya know.
Word. There needs to be an attitude shift toward looking down on this exploit crap.
Awesome. Did you get it from a rank up package? It's no Hawkmoon, but as a legendary, it's the closest thing I've had for times I need to use a different exotic.
EroticSushi
Member
How does that trick work? You log in when the reset hits, pick up the new bounties. Complete them and when you turn them in later on during the day, they're there again?
I can understand the want to cheese to an extent too, we have to repeat the same content over and over for dice rolls. When we get enough experience the challenge is meaningless and all that's left is grind and luck.
My blind run at launch was incredible. So much fun. Our group were having a blast working out each section and shooting the shit. Destiny shone very brightly that day.
Now, just one week later, the raid already feels a bit stale. With all the strats known it's incredibly easy and far too short. It's just not as well constructed as VoG, it doesn't have the same atmosphere or sense or progression and adventure (to me at least).
If someone offered me a way to roll the dice three times without having to run the content, I'd probably take it, I just don't enjoy the half hour I takes to run now, It's not a challenge and it's not that. I'd rather be playing crucible.
I run VoG because I need Fatebringer still /and/ I enjoy it, but I also understand why people might want to cut back on the grind a little.
I'm hoping the hard mode of CE does something to alleviate this concern.
Of course, some people are just lazy and will always try to cheese. I know a group who've given up entirely on Templar now you can't push him off, all they do now is snag Gorgan check points.
TalentBurke
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Are you supposed to get rewards every time you do the Dark Below Missions? I just did the Seige of Warmind mission again and got a legendary and engram plus an ascedant energy
scarletham
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I understand why people would want to bitch, my issue is why they keep doing it however many months after release.
TheTylerDurden
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Thanks! I had no idea this was a thing. Guess I won't be among the first to reach level 3 after all
Looking forward to unlocking the next level with this new toy.
Speaking of cheese, who does the nightfalls totally legitimately?
My friends and I cheesed the fuck out of Phogoth after wiping to the wizard wave three times. Doing it legitimately, without staying by the entrance of the wave room/luring the wizards, hiding behind the rock or by the shrieker is ridiculous. I'd like to see it done.
Just went on YouTube to check that out and I literally can't find a single video of someone/a team doing it without conceding to hiding in a safe spot.
My friends and I cheesed the fuck out of Phogoth after wiping to the wizard wave three times. Doing it legitimately, without staying by the entrance of the wave room/luring the wizards, hiding behind the rock or by the shrieker is ridiculous. I'd like to see it done.
Just went on YouTube to check that out and I literally can't find a single video of someone/a team doing it without conceding to hiding in a safe spot.
EL CUCO
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You can use them on an alt, if you need to. But if you have all the gear needed there is nothing it can be useful for.
LollipoPReapeR
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It's like he senses what you need and goes out of his way to screw you over haha
Well, these is a difference between gaining a direct competitive advantage over other players through unintended means, and cooperatively exploiting such an advantage over a game's systems.
I don't personally get down with either one, but there's a legit difference in scale and priority.
Heh, sometimes I wonder if I am the only one in here to have never cheesed Atheon. I'll stand on this ledge by myself if I have to!
I can agree with this. Some people complain so much, it's a wonder why they even continue to play the game if they find it so offensive.
The Iron Yuppie
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Yea, got it last week and only now starting to mess with it. Got it from either a vanguard level up or cryptarch level (I haven't ground new monarchy rep in a long time.)
LollipoPReapeR
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What is even the definition of cheese anymore? What is described above I would call strategic positioning. There's nothing wrong with that and it can be construed as conservative playing.
Pushing the templar off a cliff on the other hand is a clear violation of the intended mechanics is something I would call a cheese
I don't really see these things as cheese, per se. Knocking Atheon off the ledge? Bugging out Crota so he is always vulnerable? That's the type of cheese/exploits that are the problem.
Orthogonal
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They seem completely redundant. You don't need them for guantlets or boots, and you can fill a helm or chest slot with a Xur exotic so you really only need the commendation for a single piece of gear to get to level 31 and by the time you acquire the marks/coins for that many pieces you will have Commendations out the ying-yang. They don't really serve the purpose of a time/activity gate, they are pointless.
Darknyss09
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Man, I have spent way too much time in this first dlc mission trying to get the husk. I just want to make sure I'm not doing something wrong.
I spawn in and sparrow down to the first set of mobs doing the ritual. Kill the sword dude and go to orbit if nothing is added to inventory. There's no need to pick up the relic or kill anything else, right?
I spawn in and sparrow down to the first set of mobs doing the ritual. Kill the sword dude and go to orbit if nothing is added to inventory. There's no need to pick up the relic or kill anything else, right?
Dave_6
Member
You're doing it right. It's just your RNG luck in this game is about like mine lol.
scarletham
Member
Yes, exactly. I completely understand being annoyed with the game, but if you're so annoyed with it that all your post about is how much you hate it, I have a pretty simple solution for you...
Thanks guys! I know i don't have to be level 31 first, it's just part of my stupid destiny goal driven checklist of stuff that i wanted to do first. I've been focusing on the eris bounties (not even rank 2 on anyone),the weekly stuff and obtaining the new vanguard gear.
I did the same thing with VoG. I didn't jump into that for weeks because i wanted all my stuff leveled up and i wanted all my dudes to be 29 first. I also like being aware of the fights and stats so that I'm not a liability.
I have been getting the first chest on all 3 alts the last 2 weeks, so at least i have some shards waiting in the vault. I'll jump in the raid next week when I'll get a lot more free time with holiday off at work.
It's so dumb, isn't it? At this point, what will replace the Gjallahorn?
I think the bridge and thrall parts are a blast when done legit. The cheese method for the Bridge, though....yay, more sniping, we don't even need to cross the f'ng bridge?...ugh.
HOWEVER....
I'm usually firmly against cheese. The fights are a lot of fun if done legit. As I mentioned above, I love the bridge legit.
That being said, with what Bungie has done to reset progress / slow us down / design choices, this is the first game ever where I don't care. Cheese, cheese it all. I view it as a small way of, besides quitting the game, rejecting their design choices.
So, yeah, normally? I hate cheesing the fights, but I just can't summon the will to protest in Destiny's favor.
Ok great. I sent you a FR, so hopefully it went to the right person.
Once everyone is online and ready we can go.
Orthogonal
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I would pay money to see Bungie devs do a Nightfall "The Way It's Meant To Be Done" every week. Live, not pre-recorded.
Yeah, it's not as cheesy as that. I still find nightfalls challenging when I go in the safe spots and I'm still at risk of dying. But at the same time, shooting a boss from behind his entrance or cowering behind the one rock that people have deemed to be a safe spot is lame. Like, I wonder how they intended people to actually beat these things.
I do as many Nightfalls legitimately just for the challenge as possible, though it's not easy to find people to try. This one in particular, if we're going to go to the point of saying that using the left corner rock (not jumping behind the rock wall, just using the boulder as cover) is cheese, would be pretty damn impressive to do "legitimately". I don't think that rock is so cheesy though; it's just holding a defensible point; though an argument could be made that it's cheese since you don't trigger the wizards from there. Regardless, everything but the boss is shooting Arc at you and a couple stray Knight shots and you're wiped, so it's a real challenge any way besides the shrieker room/sniping from before it.
But that's the thing with Nightfalls. The Nightfall modifier is so brutal and restrictive, it almost invites you to find a way to cheese it. It's not like the weekly heroic or raid where you get a checkpoint and just give it another shot in seconds if you wipe. You need to do whatever you can do make it through the encounter intact. It's almost daring you: "break me."
Darknyss09
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Ok, that's for confirming!
My luck with this game is all over the place. Sometimes it's good and others time really bad. Maybe I'll try with a different character lol.
I highly enjoy the Skullfort for PvP.
Inmost light is also pretty great, buuut I'm not the best at aiming Falcon Punch, so I prefer spawning with melee energy and the free Transfusion perk.
I played some Iron Banner last night and it was the most fun I have had playing Crucible yet. I'm not great at crucible and was expecting a shit show playing with randoms, but they were the most competitive matches yet. My struggle Plan C is still strong enough toto wipe a 30 in one blast at level 27, and people tend to group up a lot more, so striker titan super is glorious.
I'm in for more tonight. I really want that 66 round magazine gun.
I'm in for more tonight. I really want that 66 round magazine gun.
Tell me about it! I'm still a good day away from getting her to rank 2 with all my alts.
Speaking of eris and alts, has anyone heard anything about certain bounties that unlock at certain levels (similar to urn bounty)? The only reason I'm grinding with all 3 of my alts is that i expect more bounties like the urn to show up that give more gear/weapons.
Nothing, really. Some people are using the raid rocket launcher as a "baby ballerhorn" so they can use IB as their exotic. For most content, that's probably fine. Without wolfpack rounds that have tracking, not as much damage so I wouldn't use it for progression raids.
The only alt I'll be working on is my second hunter. They will still serve no purpose.
Yes, very much so. My theory is that Bungie might have some kind use for them in the future. Who am I kidding, though? It was just a last minute addition that wasn't properly thought out. Bungie is too big of an organization and there is a ton of disconnect between all of the departments.
gutter_trash
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what is the better Defender Helm? Saint 14 or Glasshouse?
Exactly. I hated the news of the commendations when I heard it as I thought it was an unnecessary annoyance. Turns out it's really just unnecessary period. I already have 3 or 4 of each type saved up in the vault.
Orthogonal
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Yeah, I was using Hezen Vengeance on Crota last night. It did ok damage, but no tracking is killer. He would calmly step aside to so many rockets it was ridiculous. Truth would have been a better option I think.
This is a fantastic sentence- almost perfectly capturing the cognitive dissonance that is Destiny. It could almost be rephrased, "I'm not one for senseless catharsis, but this game calls for senseless catharsis!"
Making me want to cry.
Right, as I said: the gameplay loop is fantastic.
When I say prey I didn't mean malice. I was being poetic or something.
The game is built around two things: the gameplay hook and the loot hook, and the hooks can to deep.
The designers are definitely aware of he draw of loot based games. Take that as you will.
You don't need to compare it to anything to understand that the majority of the time we're repeating the same gameplay loop in the same areas.
The pvp is bare bones. No custom games, no private matches, very little difference between modes.
The two new strikes are built on repeated areas for the most part. The bosses are almost all the same style of bullet sponge/add hordes. There is very little variety and lots of repetition.
I mean, technically there's a bunch of content, but there's not enough meaningful difference or variety. The AI is also very dumb in comparison to Halo, which was highly repetitive but felt like pvp at times because the AI could be so devious.
Right now I enjoy the game because of the loot (addictive behaviour) and playing with cool people, if I "won" destiny and got everything I wanted and didn't have friends to play with, the actual gameplay content probably wouldn't hold me.
You really think the people bitching wouldn't rather be enjoying the game too?
I've always found finding the cheese as a fun part of a game. We now live in a time that if the dev doesn't want the cheese they can patch it out. The cheese is part of what makes a game a game. it's the same thing as collecting a buncha reverse cards in Uno there's always a way to break a game.
That'll show em. Damn the man! -_-
Depends on context (assuming both maxed of course); for a boss fight where you're plugging away the whole time, Glasshouse. When there's actually stuff rolling up on you in your bubble, Saint 14.
Johan Liebert
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Got Hip Fire and speed reload on Light of the Abyss.
wrecks in Crucible. would suck to see this common in PVP, as if FRs aren't bad enough.
wrecks in Crucible. would suck to see this common in PVP, as if FRs aren't bad enough.
I hit Level 20 two days ago. Got two pieces of decent gear, now at 22.
What should I be doing with my time? I'm just playing PVP, and doing the Dailies/Heroics, along with Strike playlists. What reputation should I go for?
The Crucible Commendation mechanic looks kind of dumb.
Really enjoying the game, though. The "last" story mission I got dumped into (despite not being that far on my own) was really, really fun.
What should I be doing with my time? I'm just playing PVP, and doing the Dailies/Heroics, along with Strike playlists. What reputation should I go for?
The Crucible Commendation mechanic looks kind of dumb.
Really enjoying the game, though. The "last" story mission I got dumped into (despite not being that far on my own) was really, really fun.
scarletham
Member
Yep, after 1 week they are completely useless to me.
The rock isn't nearly as cheesy as staying behind the shrieker but it's still a spot. Every strike has the cheese spots that everyone knows about at this point. Basically this:
I would really like to see "how it's meant to be done" because I can get killed in one shot at level 31 by most of the things attacking me.
It's the daily heroic mission also!
IXIKelsonIXI
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So much cheesing of the new raid. My group ran it last week and with learning the new encounters and all, it took under two hours. Pretty sure our second run on our alts was less than an hour.
Crota is the ONLY part I can understand cheesing, because the beginning of the encounter is so tedious that wiping repeatedly becomes a huge headache. But if your team is communicating well, it's a very simple quick encounter. There's actually substantial room for error considering how much time you have to breathe during certain parts of the encounter.
But I guess the reality is, for some people, doing it legitimately just isn't rewarding when statistically you're going to get the shaft from the game's whacky loot system.
Crota is the ONLY part I can understand cheesing, because the beginning of the encounter is so tedious that wiping repeatedly becomes a huge headache. But if your team is communicating well, it's a very simple quick encounter. There's actually substantial room for error considering how much time you have to breathe during certain parts of the encounter.
But I guess the reality is, for some people, doing it legitimately just isn't rewarding when statistically you're going to get the shaft from the game's whacky loot system.