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Destiny |OT20| HoW Comes, No Raid?
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I've only stopped playing twice since it's release. When Dragon Age came out and then again when Bloodborne came out. Now that Witcher is coming out I can foresee some time missed but not much.
It's the 347 Vesta Dynasty.
iRAWRasaurus
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lol this post made me think of the paintball team...
Dave_6
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Yep! My exotic weapon collection is now complete. I only need one armor piece and that side will then be complete.
Hopefully it will be. I'm gonna switch it between all three characters through the weekend while running bounties so I can level it up as quickly as possible.
Dark Orchid
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There was, but considering the new sidearm has a similar name and the exact same flavor text I doubt you'll have to worry about that much longer.
AmateurHour212
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Oh goodie, there are others...
scarletham
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PrivateWHudson
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I really hope Destiny 2 just keeps adding. I want the whole solar system filed in with multiple Earth and Venus locations by the time we get to D4. Maybe even some deep space activities. I wouldn't mind a "home" location where you could store stuff long term. Maybe have a cool down on it so it doesn't eat up too much cost and bandwidth, but something better than dismantling when the vault gets full.
A bit of both. An LFG system in game would slow things down a bit, but it also is really is that popular. Just wait until OT 50, coming next year.
Darryl M R
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Why is a level 8 player with ~300 grimoire allowed to be in a skirmish match with level 31s and 32s?
the fact that damage levels are equalized and it tracks pvp skill, not player level. else you'd be able to restart characters to killgrind new players all the time..
Narmer Quest is always a trainwreck.
Kor of Memory
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Disregard this. This was second hand information I thought I read in the Reveal thread on the gaming side. I can't find the post about the information. If the information does exist, it was in one of the reveal streams.
Sorry everyone, sorry...
That's it.
Fig there to keep it real
Noooo (I do want that sidearm asap, do we know anything about it? I have the feeling that it's like the murmur). Same perks as well?
rasengan1337
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salvage is awesome! it took a couple hours, tops, for me, but i wasn't even tracking how long because it was so much fun. you don't even need to defend the points, all you have to do is set the probe 20 times. it's like control, but the relic moves (and so the "control" point) moves. it's 3v3
edit: dunno when it appears on the schedule, sorry!
Nice, thanks! I'll have to keep an eye out for the next time it pops up.
lol, why are you torturing yourself?!
Twilight Gap
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i don't think it's wise to reset an exotic for an extra second or two of cooldown. +21 intellect isn't much.
Definitely wait, and go ahead and max it out! HoW upgrade will only cost you 1 exotic shard, upgrading now would end up costing you 3.
That's what I was thinking, but 21 seemed like alot, lol.
rasengan1337
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i've done it for less
20 int. then two weeks later, Xur had another upgrade that took the Int score to near max... so i did it again
Its great for a nova bomb build. Combine it with bad Juju and spam those nova bombs all day!
AmateurHour212
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Yeah, we'll see if she's ever there again.
squidhands
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Oh...well, maybe it'll be used for shards when you get a better exotic Hunter helmet, lol.
Max it with Exp. don't upgrade it with Xur. When HoW launches Ascend it with an exotic shard and fill in all the exp bubbles.
Nah, two is even overkill. Outside of Gjallarhorn and IB I don't see a need for dups exotics.
rasengan1337
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depends on your vault space situation. i try to keep 2 of each, just to avoid app transfer shenanigans.
Dark Orchid
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Different perks and most people assume it's a reward for beating the story. Also the scout rifle is probably still in the game in some manner, I doubt they'd drop the
David/Goliath
MagnetoWasRight
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Don't buy the Arachnid helmet (sorry to those who did, but PSA for those who didn't yet.) It is actually worthless. It has no worth. None.
AmateurHour212
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Bahahaha. Pretty much sums it up. It's a little hazy though so I can't speak to exactly what happened Oh well.
captscience
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https://twitter.com/thecryptarch/status/596682537688240131
@TheCryptarch: Those running around upgrading before #houseofwolves should probably stop, wasted materials and bounties... #changesarecoming
Omg... Plz explain. Do it here on GAF first!
@TheCryptarch: Those running around upgrading before #houseofwolves should probably stop, wasted materials and bounties... #changesarecoming
Omg... Plz explain. Do it here on GAF first!
While that would be cool, I want to see new worlds. For something that's supposed to be this grand space adventure, we've stayed close in our little solar system. I would expect Destiny 2 to expand further in our solar system, maybe even venture out near the end of its life cycle.
MagnetoWasRight
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Not to use it!Says the guy still trying to get a crux
At least I GOT THE BOOOTS!!!
squidhands
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isn't @cryptarch created by someone here? Could have sworn it was.
Sleepy Buddha
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I'm shocked... Shocked and grieved. I thought you had one...
And another one... The game only gives it to those who already have it.
#4everFatebringerless
GuitarAtomik
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Interesting analysis of Crucible kills on Reddit:
My biggest takeaways:
A Month's Worth of Crucible Data -- April 2015
I have compiled a large amount of data on Crucible kills over the last 30 days, and I wanted to share it with the community. I will apologize for the wall of words in advance, but I think you will all enjoy seeing this data. I hope to bring some tangible numbers to mesh with people's overall perceptions of the game. I want to encourage civil debate and maybe make you question what you think about the Crucible.
Methodology: I must begin with a huge shoutout to the guys at Destiny Tracker. Without their site, this project could not have happened.
Each day, I used Destiny Tracker's population statistics[1] to write down the running total of Crucible kills. I pulled the numbers each night around midnight EST in order to give me close to twenty-four hours worth of kills. I put these figures into a spreadsheet and subtracted from the previous day's total to give me that day's total kills. Then, I added each day's total and used that to make a percentage of Crucible kills by weapon type.
I must admit that Destiny Tracker does not track every player in the game, so the numbers could be off in either direction. However, given the site's popularity, I must guess that a majority of players have used it, thus making it a generally reliable source of information. With that being said, let's get on to the numbers.
Total Kills by Weapon Type (Chart 1.0): There isn't much to say about this chart. It speaks for itself. As expected, shotguns and hand cannons lead the way, and it's not particularly close (more on that later). The biggest surprise to me was the fact that melee kills came in third, ahead of supers. From Destiny's bounty system, I would suspect this counts shoulder charges but not throwing knives.
Percentage of Kills by Crucible Type (Charts 2.1 and 2.2): This is the bread and butter of my study. I wanted to make a daily depiction of the guns people were using in the Crucible. My findings and thoughts are . . .
Shotguns -- It should not be surprising to anyone that they were this high. If anything, the figures beginning above 16% and ending above 15% might seem a tad low. The interesting takeaway here is that Patch 1.1.2 really did nothing to change the shotgun usage. Numbers dip slightly after the patch, but there is no major change after the special ammo changes. Perks like return to sender really nullify the ammo changes, and shotguns don't really waste bullets by missing. Six shells from one crate is enough for six kills, as people don't exactly miss at "close" shotgun range. Therefore, there's no wasting of ammo. Each shell gets a kill, and some kills even give more ammo back. Shotguns remain the go-to special weapon, beating out fusion rifles and sniper rifles combined (see Chart 3.2).
Hand Cannons -- This month saw the rise of the hand cannon. As early as 1.1.2, the hand cannon was destined to become the Crucible star, being the strongest class of primary (edging out auto rifles even as of 4/8) even before special ammo was changed. Their usage increased when Xur sold The Last Word on the 17th. To those of you who would say "Yeah, but everything increases when Xur sells it," I ask you to look at auto rifles after SUROS and Hard Light (the 10th and 1st, respectively) and scout rifles after the MIDA-tool on the 24th. Other classes do not spike just because Xur is in town, but with The Last Word, this is exactly what happened. Bungie gave everyone a top-4 Crucible weapon (before 1.1.1, Thorn and TLW were #3 and #4 most used in the Crucible[3] , now they're probably 1 and 2, respectively, because everyone has a Thorn by now too), and it's clear that contributed to the increase in hand cannon usage.
Moreover, things got even worse during the latest Iron Banner. Hand cannons became the gun to use, finally overtaking shotguns for the top spot. The corresponding dip in auto rifle usage during the Iron Banner is clear and decisive. If you need power, you go with a hand cannon. It is also important to note that perhaps the most popular hand cannon -- the Hawkmoon -- isn't even available to all players, so this somewhat dilutes the total we could see if one of the premier hand cannons was available to all. Hand cannons easily outclass all other primaries (see Chart 3.1) and almost equal the other three primary classes combined.
The thing to think about here is a possible nerf. Remember, Bungie nerfed the auto rifles when they reached 19% of Crucible kills (only looking at the top one-half of players), and hand cannons are very close. Bungie made a point of discussing auto rifle increases during the Iron Banner, and given what we've seen recently, it is very much the same case with hand cannons now. I would be very weary of an impending hand cannon nerf.
Heavy Weapons -- The heavy weapon kills are interesting because they seem to show that Bungie missed the mark with their well-intended heavy ammo changes. As guardians no longer drop heavy and heavy ammo now disappears after time or death, it is imperative to get heavy ammo and keep it. Guardians get more bang for their bucks using an LMG rather than a rocket launcher (see Chart 3.3). Especially when an LMG has field scout, one can have heavy ammo for a long time if he manages to stay alive. Once the initial fray is over, whoever can survive with heavy ammo will have the upper hand. Bungie explicitly stated they didn't want heavy to last a long time, but they've given people heavy weapons with perks that directly counteract their wishes. That's the explanation for LMGs being much more effective in the Crucible than rocket launchers.
Special Weapons, Generally -- In general, special weapons have all been unaffected by the 1.1.2 ammo changes. Even on top of shotguns, snipers and fusion rifles have not seen precipitous dips in usage due to ammo changes. This, too, must be due to perks like return to sender, clown cartridge, and other ammo-granting perks. Just because you can't get ammo from boxes doesn't mean you'll always be without it. Bungie's 1.1.2 changes really did not affect special weapons at all, and the chart shows it. In the trend lines, sniper and pulse rifles are almost flat, and shotguns are only a tiny bit downward-sloping. Special ammo changes have missed their mark.
Fusion Rifles -- I believe the main change we see in fusion rifles is due to the Vex being affected by the fusion rifle changes. It gets less ammo, and it is less stable. People stopped using it, but I think they're making a comeback. It was the #2 most poplar Crucible weapon before it accidentally (and I would say rightfully) nerfed, but Bungie said they'd fix it. Also, the cone pattern was changed and the range affected, which hurt them. Finally, fusion rifles got relegated to second-citizen status due to shotguns. You can't use both at one time (except for UR and Vex). People chose shotguns. I think they'll jump back when the Vex is back, but as a class, they can't touch shotguns.
Supers -- This is really puzzling. Why are supers continuing to dip? I have spoken with friends about this, and it is really unclear. Is it due to panic supers only killing one person? Is it due to shotguns and heavy weapons killing off would-be super machines, thus stopping the vicious cycle of orbs? Are people just foolishly using them? Supers continually trended downward, and it is astonishing.
Pulse Rifles -- Even with the initial burst, pulse rifles have not gained a lot of traction in the Crucible. Xur sold the Red Death, but they are still not the weapon of choice for many PVPers. The numbers are still low on them (below 6%).
Scout Rifles -- This one is simple: why use a scout rifle when you can use a hand cannon for the same range?
Auto Rifles -- Bungie claims ARs are 25% of Crucible kills[4] , but that seems unfathomable. ARs started falling back at 1.1.1, and they're less half the amount of hand cannons on my charts. SUROS is really the only truly viable auto rifle at this point.
Perks -- Do weapon perks make Crucible changes impossible to implement? Given the statistics, it appears that any Crucible changes Bungie makes will have to directly impact the weapon classes, not ammo. The perks on many weapons -- specials and heavies, but also primaries -- have a huge impact on the way the Crucible works. The perks are often more important than the weapon's base stats and usability. This cannot be allowed to be the case. You aim and shoot a gun, not its perks. Additionally, with the ability to re-roll all upcoming House of Wolves legendaries, I think we will see a lot of what we see with Felwinter's Lies: people rolling for specific perks in order to all make the same gun. Thus, each weapon class will have its go-to that you re-roll for specific perks, leading to even less variety than we currently see. It's the opposite to what Bungie wants from the Crucible, and it's all because of weapon perks. But this takes us back to one of the central questions about Destiny: how can Bungie manage perks' effects in the Crucible without altering them for worse in PVE activities? There is no divide (except in Old Russia), so how will Bungie manage Crucible change going forward?
My biggest takeaways:
- The shotgun situation. I have most definitely had many games where my shotgun kill count dwarfed my primary kill count, but the fact that with the community overall, they EASILY account for the majority of kills is insane given their secondary status. I'm still an adamant believer that you should start with zero special ammo even after the special ammo nerf.
- The fact that auto rifles still dwarf the amount of pulse rifle kills despite not being that viable shows that people just like using auto rifles. The nerf to them still seems misguided since the reason they're so popular is more about people being comfortable with them rather than their actual viability.
- Either the max rocket launcher ammo count needs to be buffed across the board by one or two, or the LMG max ammo count needs to be nerfed across the board. Without a heavy ammo perk, you only get 2 rockets from the heavy drop. Even with the possibility of instantly shutting down an LMG user, the stats show their overall kill count is still significantly lower than LMGs even before IB with the LMG bounty.
- Really curious to see how reforging affects the meta.
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