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[jett]

Pulse Rifles and Scout Rifles both still have their place, regardless of what people do. The majority of people aren't good at PvP. I have no idea why we would just accept the majority as being correct. In my opinion, the Bad Juju is either the best or second best (Last Word) gun in PvP. Fast TTK, forgiving style, and relevevant perks make it one of the most severely underrated guns in the game. High impact Scout Rifles such at the Badger CCL and the Rex are still absurdly good. My Badger CCL with max'd stability and Firefly is a 3-shot godsend, especially on maps where there are sight lines to heavy ammo to make use of the Firefly perk.

The biggest issue isn't that they are worthless, but that none of the guns differentiate from one another. You have good weapons and bad weapons. They are all fairly multi-purpose.

Rockets are there to counter people using Heavy. Rockets beat Heavy Machine guns. In a game where the other team is trash, the machine gun is better. In Iron Banner where you have two teams of six against each other, the rockets are better.

Don't you dare talk shit about my precious MIDA. He has feelings too you know!

lol I guess there's something for everyone out there.

Ironically it just got buffed with the new effect. Shit's maddening.

I literally die with two bullets, every single time. After two bullets I'm still "alive" but the damage over time effect does me in. It has the quickest TTK I've experienced from a primary.

 

[Twilight Gap]

I literally die with two bullets, every single time. After two bullets I'm still "alive" but the damage over time effect does me in. It has the quickest TTK I've experienced from a primary.

Your armor must be low. If you have higher armor, it wont kill you in two shots unless they're using aggressive ballistics and land two headshots.

I see it fairly often (and use it pretty effectively) in Rumble. I think I see your implied point that it's limited in the 3v3 modes however.

don't remember the last time i played rumble so i'll take your word for it.

 

[Hawkian]

It has the quickest TTK I've experienced from a primary.

The Last Word unequivocally beats it in this regard.

Technically I suppose Universal Remote and No Land Beyond do too...

 

[MrChowderClams]

lol I guess there's something for everyone out there.

Kekeke. It's crazy how weapon balance has been turned upside down since launch. Invective used to be complete shit and now it's pretty much god-tier. Same with thorn. I remember how maddening the small mag + slow reload used to be.

 

[Kyne]

What were auto rifles nerfed at? 50% damage reduction? Should have been 25-30%..

 

[Twilight Gap]

What were auto rifles nerfed at? 50% damage reduction? Should have been 25-30%..

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161906887&postcount=743
Destiny Update - 02/25/2015 | 1.1.1

Auto Rifles
Reduced base damage of Auto Rifles by 2.5%
Reduced effective range values

Pulse Rifles
Increased base damage of Pulse Rifles by 9.7%

Hand Cannons
Slightly reduced effective range
Slightly reduced initial accuracy

Fusion Rifles
Widened blast pattern on a Fusion Rifle burst cone
Reduced starting ammunition in PVP

Shotguns
Increased damage against all non-Guardian combatants by 2x (100% increase)
Reduced high-end range values
Damage falloff starts sooner
Reduced starting ammunition in PVP

 

[Hawkian]

Kekeke. It's crazy how weapon balance has been turned upside down since launch. Invective used to be complete shit and now it's pretty much god-tier. Same with thorn. I remember how maddening the small mag + slow reload used to be.

outside of the waking nightmare that is Thorn, I give my wow vote to Universal Remote. It was pretty much ranked dead last or just ahead of Super Good Advice for everyone. Then after the shotgun buff, Xur happened to sell it and it was like a strange coin shower. Amazing what you can get up to with that gun these days, as long as there be no lightswitch afoot.

Monte Carlo and Bad Juju's buffs were fantastic as well.

What were auto rifles nerfed at? 50% damage reduction? Should have been 25-30%..

lol

 

[Kyne]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161906887&postcount=743

Auto Rifles
Reduced base damage of Auto Rifles by 2.5%
Reduced effective range values

Jesus. Why does it feel like 50%...
Edit: bah. Probably because of the range nerf.

 

[Ophelion]

What were auto rifles nerfed at? 50% damage reduction? Should have been 25-30%..

I'd love to be able to use my Hard Light in PvE again at least. It looks so cool, but it just doesn't cut it. Sometimes I still break it out for fun, but it's a novelty weapon for me at this point. Sad, really.

 

[MickeyPhree]

nvm.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

What were auto rifles nerfed at? 50% damage reduction? Should have been 25-30%..

I don't remember, but honestly, I thought they were totally fine where they were before the last nerf. It's just other weapons needed to be adjusted around them (Pulse most of all). Maybe a slight range or accuracy reduction to keep them a mid range weapon.

 

[Hawkian]

Jesus. Why does it feel like 50%...
Edit: bah. Probably because of the range nerf.

Honestly, I had no problem with the range nerf, they really were operable outside of what Bungie wants their engagement zone to be. The damage nerf was unnecessary, and they could even have been slightly buffed in that regard to slot more definitely into their stated role.

edit: ^indeed, I found this range nerf to be pretty slight, not really offensive. The original one was what was really necessary. You're right in that that patch (which also included the pulse changes) shouldn't have messed with AR damage at all.

Shotguns
Increased damage against all non-Guardian combatants by 2x (100% increase)
Reduced high-end range values
Damage falloff starts sooner
Reduced starting ammunition in PVP

I straight up don't buy it. Maybe somebody put a negative sign at the beginning of the variables they meant to tweak for this and they got buffed.

 

[Kyne]

I don't remember, but honestly, I thought they were totally fine where they were before the last nerf. It's just other weapons needed to be adjusted around them (Pulse most of all). Maybe a slight range or accuracy reduction to keep them a mid range weapon.

I missed out on the exotic auto rifle train. I got Hardlight / Suros after the nerf. So sad.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Auto Rifles didn't need to get nerfed in PvE. They've handled Shotguns differently across the two game modes, I don't see why they can't buff AR's again.

 

[Hawkian]

Auto Rifles didn't need to get nerfed in PvE. They've handled Shotguns differently across the two game modes, I don't see why they can't buff AR's again.

They can. Keep asking for it.

 

[Misterthirsty]

No weapons or weapon types should really be nerfed, by doing so they just set a precedent that nerfing is the way to fix the perceived issue.

Like others have stated in the thread in the past, we want powerful weapons. Making stronger weapons would surely promote the weapon diversity they are looking for more than nerfing a weapon type (auto rifles).

 

[Hawkian]

No, shotguns should have their range nerfed in PvP.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I straight up don't buy it. Maybe somebody put a negative sign at the beginning of the variables they meant to tweak for this and they got buffed.

Lol, I see I'm not the only one. If anything, I feel like I'm getting OHKd from further. That might be a result of the proliferation of the vendor version of Felwinter though.

 

[Tawpgun]

I don't like an AR buff in Crucible for the same reason I don't like it in Halo.


AR's are piss easy to use. The Suros Era was so stupid. Reward better marksmanship with better kill times. Those who struggle can shotgun and suros their way to kills.

 

[ocean]

No weapons or weapon types should really be nerfed, by doing so they just set a precedent that nerfing is the way to fix the perceived issue.

Like others have stated in the thread in the past, we want powerful weapons. Making stronger weapons would surely promote the weapon diversity they are looking for more than nerfing a weapon type (auto rifles).

Destiny already has too many ways to die too quickly. Grenades, Supers, Rockets, melee/shot, one-shot shotguns and fusion rifles and final round snipers, 0.5s TLW headshot kills etc.

Making everything kill faster isn't necessarily the best answer.

 

[Theorry]

Not sure if it was already posted but Destiny item manager got a big update.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/35aoy6/dim_destiny_item_manager_v300_massive_update/

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/destiny-item-manager/apghicjnekejhfancbkahkhdckhdagna

Here some gifs

Drag and Drop & Smartly Equipping Exotics

http://imgur.com/PYU9KQG

Applying a Loadout

http://imgur.com/ZfqUxfb

Our New Filter Command Dialog and Multiple Searches

http://imgur.com/qM73mkF

 

[Forerunner]

No, shotguns should have their range nerfed in PvP.

Shotguns definitely need a nerf, pvp wise. Pve they are fine, since they are more of a risk reward type weapon. You can easily get one shot in pve due to Lightswitch plus arc damage. So there's a risk in using them.

 

[Gordon]

So I was pretty hyped initially when I was aware that HoW was Fallen. Fallen are my favourite enemy group, for a lot of different reasons. I was a little disappointed by the lack of a raid, but after having a look at the HoW firefight gameplay and the fallen guns, I'm reasonably stoked. I wish that sweet Titan helm was

Spoiler

symmetrical

though. That's gonna bug the shit out of me.

And I heard about new

Spoiler

weapon classes

. Do I have to spoiler that shit? I saw it in passing on youtube and figured it would be loud and proud in the BWU but I haven't heard anything since. Haven't exactly been sifting the deepweb or anything though lol

 

[Hawkian]

I don't like an AR buff in Crucible for the same reason I don't like it in Halo.


AR's are piss easy to use. The Suros Era was so stupid. Reward better marksmanship with better kill times. Those who struggle can shotgun and suros their way to kills.

I agree with this, it's just that they were basically fine after the original nerf- didn't need the (kind of tiny) further nerf while other classes were being buffed. SUROS was still a totally viable top-tier PvP exotic at that point, it just wasn't the absolute king it used to be... whereas it's outclassed left and right now.

ARs in Destiny are ridiculously easy to use though. I played around with SUROS after the first time Xur sold it, and it just felt dirty to me. Aim and hit win button. Worse than Plan C! (which btw for some reason has fallen off the radar screen for people despite still being ridiculously incredible)

Shotguns definitely need a nerf, pvp wise. Pve they are fine, since they are more of a risk reward type weapon. You can easily get one shot in pve due to Lightswitch plus arc damage. So there's a risk in using them.

They're perfect in PvE. An absolute blast. 4th Horseman has rocketed to one of my favorite guns in the game because of that buff. And the wild range is absolutely necessary and fair- because strong enemies are not oneshot kills even point blank, like every single human player always forever is.

They're just really like, super shotguns in the Crucible. Like they are meant to be a new kind of weapon that is viable at just under mid-range versus extreme close range as they should be.

 

[Kal_El]

Pulse Rifles and Scout Rifles both still have their place, regardless of what people do. The majority of people aren't good at PvP. I have no idea why we would just accept the majority as being correct. In my opinion, the Bad Juju is either the best or second best (Last Word) gun in PvP. Fast TTK, forgiving style, and relevevant perks make it one of the most severely underrated guns in the game. High impact Scout Rifles such at the Badger CCL and the Rex are still absurdly good. My Badger CCL with max'd stability and Firefly is a 3-shot godsend, especially on maps where there are sight lines to heavy ammo to make use of the Firefly perk.

I'm am also a Bad Juju advocate. The stability on that thing is amazing. I routinely beat thorn and hawkmoon. I just finished leveling up my 2nd one yesterday.

 

[Twilight Gap]

I don't like an AR buff in Crucible for the same reason I don't like it in Halo.


AR's are piss easy to use. The Suros Era was so stupid. Reward better marksmanship with better kill times. Those who struggle can shotgun and suros their way to kills.

if only it worked like that. the weapons rewarding better marksmanship are probably going to be nerfed.

if bungie had their way, they would have nerfed halo 1's pistol.

 

[Twilight Gap]

I agree with this, it's just that they were basically fine after the original nerf- didn't need the (kind of tiny) further nerf while other classes were being buffed. SUROS was still a totally viable top-tier PvP exotic at that point, it just wasn't the absolute king it used to be... whereas it's outclassed left and right now.

ARs in Destiny are ridiculously easy to use though. I played around with SUROS after the first time Xur sold it, and it just felt dirty to me. Aim and hit win button. Worse than Plan C! (which btw for some reason has fallen off the radar screen for people despite still being ridiculously incredible)

Because Plan B is Felwinter's Lie

 

[Deku Tree]

Not sure if it was already posted but Destiny item manager got a big update.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/35aoy6/dim_destiny_item_manager_v300_massive_update/

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/destiny-item-manager/apghicjnekejhfancbkahkhdckhdagna

Here some gifs

Drag and Drop & Smartly Equipping Exotics

http://imgur.com/PYU9KQG

Applying a Loadout

http://imgur.com/ZfqUxfb

Our New Filter Command Dialog and Multiple Searches

http://imgur.com/qM73mkF

Needs iOS app or I can't use it. Main good feature of any of these is "loadouts". Bungie should code "loadouts" into their official app.

 

[Hawkian]

Not sure if it was already posted but Destiny item manager got a big update.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/35aoy6/dim_destiny_item_manager_v300_massive_update/

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/destiny-item-manager/apghicjnekejhfancbkahkhdckhdagna

Here some gifs

Drag and Drop & Smartly Equipping Exotics

http://imgur.com/PYU9KQG

Applying a Loadout

http://imgur.com/ZfqUxfb

Our New Filter Command Dialog and Multiple Searches

http://imgur.com/qM73mkF

anyone have any thoughts on this post-update versus Tower Ghost?

Looks like the interface might be a little nicer than TG?

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Anyone looking for hard crota? We have one spot and checkpoint.

 

[WheelHoss1]

I'm down, Ruthless. Jumping on now.

 

[MickeyPhree]

Anyone looking for hard crota? We have one spot and checkpoint.

I'm down.

 

[Twilight Gap]

They can. Keep asking for it.

i remember the good days of using Suros in Vault of Glass

 

[Dave_6]

Just a drive-by to congratulate Dave on his whale!

Hopefully this means my Hawkmoon isn't far behind... =)

In all seriousness, though, is TLord worth stocking up on to have one per character? It doesn't seem in the same tier as BH, HoC, FB, IB, Ghorn...

Thanks man! I feel a Hawkmoon is coming your way very soon!

 

[Misterthirsty]

Destiny already has too many ways to die too quickly. Grenades, Supers, Rockets, melee/shot, one-shot shotguns and fusion rifles and final round snipers, 0.5s TLW headshot kills etc.

Making everything kill faster isn't necessarily the best answer.

I guess I should have stated I lean more pve, for pvp I'm sure it's a lot more difficult to balance. Nerfing though just means something new will take the nerfed weapons place that people will say is overpowered, then what is the solution now for that weapon?

Of course there is probably no easy solution and if they figure anything out probably won't be till destiny 2.

 

[Deku Tree]

i remember the good days of using Suros in Vault of Glass

Suros before the first nerf used to totally wreck everything in the VoG.

 

[scarletham]

i remember the good days of using Suros in Vault of Glass

I still use AE

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

AE, IB and CM were the weapons of choice back in the day..now I feel old :lol

 

[XenoRaven]

i remember the good days of using Suros in Vault of Glass

I did that yesterday because it's my only exotic weapon and yikes...

I switched to a Vanguard Scout Rifle (Another NITC).

 

[Deku Tree]

https://twitter.com/deej_bng/status/596708554029047808

 

[Toa TAK]

Anyone up for the Nightfall on the One?

 

[MrGreencastle]

I DID IT. I KILLED URZOK!

Thank you, Secret Handshake. Plus, it was SUPER helpful that it was an actual public event defending the Warsat with a couple Guardians to help.

Are you going to be on in about an hour or so? There are 2 other GAFers that have never done Crota's End that want to raid about then. With you and I that'll make 4, and I'm sure we can find another 2 easily.

Anyone up for the Nightfall on the One?

I can help with Nightfall if you need it, too

 

[Toa TAK]

Are you going to be on in about an hour or so? There are 2 other GAFers that have never done Crota's End that want to raid about then. With you and I that'll make 4, and I'm sure we can find another 2 easily.

I'll be there!

I can help with Nightfall if you need it, too

That would be sweet.

 

[Hawkian]

i remember the good days of using Suros in Vault of Glass

I used my Vanquisher last night

and told people to come at me bro

granted it was Normal.

AE, IB and CM were the weapons of choice back in the day..now I feel old :lol

and CM still kicks as much shit out of the Oracles as ever

https://twitter.com/deej_bng/status/596708554029047808

amen.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

AE, IB and CM were the weapons of choice back in the day..now I feel old :lol

I.used my Suros to.get AE and CM.

Sorry about the weird.periods. my phone is freaking out.

 

[Hawkian]

anyone have any thoughts on this post-update versus Tower Ghost?

Looks like the interface might be a little nicer than TG?

Anyone have any opinions? I really want to just commit to one of these apps, lol.

I.used my Suros to.get AE and CM.

Sorry about the weird.periods. my phone is freaking out.

oh my god Hudson has contracted spontaneous full stop disease!

 

[Toa TAK]

We got one more spot in case anyone wants to join!

GT: Toa TAK

 

[all of my hate]

Assuming I understand what you mean by breaking set ups, there's absolutely no chance that Red Death does not fit the bill

The only exotic I'm still yearning for...

 

[xVaalbarAx]

I really need to get these Urn quests done for my characters today, still haven't done them.

 

[Hawkian]

The only exotic I'm still yearning for...

It's great. I loved it even before the pulse buff, best-looking sights in the game as well.

edit: top of paaage

found a high res shot of it