Is that by default? Specifically the aim assist .. or do you need the hidden hand perk.
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Is that by default? Specifically the aim assist .. or do you need the hidden hand perk.
Yeah, bout time, need those grimoire points, also, now there is no point in having multiple of the same class, as in vanilla or in TDB.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Interesting info on Thorn. I have no shame in using OP guns because I suck at PvP. The only way I got that bounty done was my Warlock's abilities. Void grenades and void punches for everyone!
So I was fortunate enough to have TheWorthyEdge carry me through the HoW story stuff and get my first run of PoE 28 in. That thing is no joke. I can't imagine it at 35.
So I was fortunate enough to have TheWorthyEdge carry me through the HoW story stuff and get my first run of PoE 28 in. That thing is no joke. I can't imagine it at 35.
Highest by default. 69 vs. 40 (Her B.), the next rerollable highest aim assist sniper.
cool thanks, btw my dad played it for the first time like a view hours ago... I saw the spark in his eyes. He will become an addict.
The last one would work the best for me. That one or the first. Saturday would be the most complicated for me and at 11 PM I will probably not be at home then.
MagnetoWasRight
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Does that work on a small arms week though?Yep! It's all about that add management though and doing damage to Skolas in increments.
What my team would do is get him to about 30% health (mines spawn on 25%) clear out all the adds. Then just ghorn the shit out of Skolas, this way when he dies all the adds and essence disappear, and then all you have to worry about is that last set of mines with no problems
AppleSeason
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I'm cool with all of them, although my friday performance may not be the same as on Saturday or Sunday. I may need a nap between work and before we begin Both Saturdays are fine, but I may not be able to use the mic that late, being able to only listen (I doubt I will say anything, anyways).
If the day gets fixed, I can bend myself a bit more and start on Friday at 18:00 or even at 10:00 AM on saturday (I will do my chores after the raid). Are there breaks for toilet or getting something for lunch /dinner or do we bring the poopsock and bottle? Not sure if I can remote play with the vita from there.
SolicitorPirate
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Third or fourth option would be great for me.
MagnetoWasRight
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The perks on all of the Prison of Elders weapons are fixed except for the last Fallen related perk.
Does it matter what level you play to get it?
Ah, got it! So replenish is a standard perk. For me, my last perk is Disciplinarian.
Nice to be 365 + Arc out of the box. I had no idea it was 69 aim assist. Good stuff
Teasing_Pink
Member
I was going to go on Hawkian's vault of glass newbie raid (still haven't seen the entire thing!), so timing may conflict, but if this is postponed to tomorrow, or you don't mind someone with a hard cut off time of 9est, I'll go.
Need hard crota and skolas myself.
8 hours? Wow.
Destiny is MMO
The DoT
The burning position give away
The huge delay in health regen
The 120ish damage from a single HS (Inc DoT)
The 148 damage from a single final round HS (Inc DoT)
The fast fire rate
The Sniper range
At work for the next 10-12 hours so .. I feel bad for those who had the day off looking to play ..
- Remove the "position" give-away
- Reduce the range, but not by much
- Remove the "Final-Round" hidden perk
- Reduce the DoT to 4~5.
Done.
Anything more and the gun will be pre-buff level. Meaning it'll be fucking useless. It's funny how people complain about Exotics not being Exotic-tier-Godly level ... now you have an Exotic tearing shit up and people demand a nerf.
MagnetoWasRight
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Nope, they're always the same, except for elemental primaries only dropping from Skolas and the element AND final perk being random on those. All scopes, first perks, and middle trees are the same on all PoE weapons.
For example, check out Shadow of Veils on DestinyDB. It shows which perk is re-rollable: http://www.destinydb.com/items/190731588-shadow-of-veils
And then the Six Dreg Pride II: http://www.destinydb.com/items/270944924-six-dreg-pride-ii
noomi
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Hah! That's awesome man, would be very cool if he could play on PS4 with us.
"Son, let me hold the relic"
Oh yeah... small arms will reduce damage from special/heavy weapons
I'm at work for the next 7-8 hours so Im not that bothered either, but yea, that long down time sucks.
You're only hearing more complaints because a lot of people who didn't used to play Crucible just got started the playing PvP recently now that it's more generous and they are too burned out on Strikes. Moreover, Trials brought about matches where a loss is actually meaningful.Meh ... at this rate not a single Exotic will stand out. First SUROS, then Thorn ... followed by TLW and Hawkmoon. Funny how they buffed Thorn months ago and not a single one complained about it untill Trials of Osiris arrived.
Here's hoping they actually BUFF certain weapons to match the Exotics. Getting killed by other weapons than Thorn should be suffecient enough
8 hours. Jesus.
No gun should kill as fast as these guns do. They're insane outliers. Back when S U R O S R E G I M E was the king, it was still only a little better than similar alternatives. Thorn and The Last Word are so ridiculously far above everything else that it's game breaking.
Assuming you can fire your headshots as quickly as the gun can shoot and not miss or hit the body, an Auto Rifle or Scout Rifle will take around 0.8 seconds in the best of cases, 1.2 seconds at worst. A good Pulse Rifle will kill in around 0.67 seconds, while most will do it in 0.8. Even top tier stuff like Red Death and The Measenger *never* break the half second line.
Thorn can 2-tap you in 0.36 seconds. It'll take a little longer for you to die from DoT, but your death sentence is final. Do you see how this is a problem? As if that weren't enough, it's a fast-firing Hand Cannon with great range, good stability, and it gives away enemy positions with the damage ticks. Oh and the DoT means your shields will recover before theirs so you can rush a grenade and finish off the kill. It's just a gun with no downsides. There's no trade off made when you use this.
The Last Word glitches and gives 111 on ADS at range way too often. It's meant to be a hipfire bonus, and if you can get 2 Hipfire headshots consecutively you probably just got lucky
but under ADS it's easy and amounts to a time to kill of about .26 seconds. For reference, that's faster than any machine gun. To suggest that literally every other gun in the game is buffed to these CoD-type kill speeds is crazy, when it's much easier to just bring 2 guns in line with the hundreds of others.
Weapons in the game are fairly well balanced except for Auto Rifles (they need to recover the old crit multiplier). But there's two guns that kill you in half, or a third of the time of the alternatives.
ultrazilla
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So I'm 4 gold chests and just 1 skolas kill away from obtaining the year 1 beyond exotic Destiny banner.
We must defeat SKOLAS ie Scrotum!!!! So if there's any level 34 fully decked out Guardians(it's useless if you're under level 34) and want to take this sucker out, I'm game!
The servers are showing down for me at the moment (9 am Detroit time) but when they're up, I'm game for tackling the PoE 35. Add me with a Skolas message or NEOGAF message and we'll take it on. PS4 Kaijuseijin
We must defeat SKOLAS ie Scrotum!!!! So if there's any level 34 fully decked out Guardians(it's useless if you're under level 34) and want to take this sucker out, I'm game!
The servers are showing down for me at the moment (9 am Detroit time) but when they're up, I'm game for tackling the PoE 35. Add me with a Skolas message or NEOGAF message and we'll take it on. PS4 Kaijuseijin
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Sunday 12PM GMT +1 (EU)
Sunday 7AM GMT -4 (US)
Sunday 9PM GMT +10 (AU)
Sunday then? I'll wait for Kurumi and stlobus to confirm but seems it's the best option.
Ofc we can take breaks for snacks, restroom etc..lol
Also we can move it up or down a couple of hours to suit everyone..
Great. Guess I can do 28s when I don't feel like joining a group.
MagnetoWasRight
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I'd really suggest waiting until next Tuesday for Small Arms/Lightswitch to change back to Brawler/Juggler.
Okay, I apologize for confusing your question. The chest on 28/32/34/35 drops Queen's weapons. The only way to get PoE weapons is with weapon cores from 34/35 and then buying them from Variks or getting a weapon AND armor core and doing a Judgment Chance with Variks.
MagnetoWasRight
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You're only hearing more complaints because a lot of people who didn't used to play Crucible just got started the playing PvP recently now that it's more generous and they are too burned out on Strikes. Moreover, Trials brought about matches where a loss is actually meaningful.
No gun should kill as fast as these guns do. They're insane outliers. Back when S U R O S R E G I M E was the king, it was still only a little better than similar alternatives. Thorn and The Last Word are so ridiculously far above everything else that it's game breaking.
Assuming you can fire your headshots as quickly as the gun can shoot and not miss or hit the body, an Auto Rifle or Scout Rifle will take around 0.8 seconds in the best of cases, 1.2 seconds at worst. A good Pulse Rifle will kill in around 0.67 seconds, while most will do it in 0.8. Even top tier stuff like Red Death and The Measenger *never* break the half second line.
Thorn can 2-tap you in 0.36 seconds. It'll take a little longer for you to die from DoT, but your death sentence is final. Do you see how this is a problem? The Last Word glitches and gives 111 on ADS at range way too often. It's meant to be a hipfire bonus, and if you can get 2 Hipfire headshots consecutively you probably just got lucky
To suggest that literally every other gun in the game is buffed to these CoD-type kill speeds is crazy, when it's much easier to just bring 2 guns in line with the hundreds of others.
Weapons in the game are fairly well balanced except for Auto Rifles (they need to recover the old crit multiplier). But there's two guns that kill you in half, or a third of the time of the alternatives.
Agreed.
SUROS reigned supreme before the nerf. However, I've seen plenty of other weapons back in the day that people used because they were pretty good. Remember that "blue" Auto-Rifle? Can't remember it's name. That thing was on par, if not better, than SUROS. Same goes for some Legendary Hand-Cannons.
Thanks to the big-nerf most of the PvP players resorted to using other weapons and found Thorn and TLW to be most fitting. The way it is now players are kinda forced to used the Thorn and TLW. They will have a hard time keeping up because, at the moment, there isn't a single weapon in the game who does damage quite like those two mentioned before.
As for a way to "fix" Thorn? The DoT (Devourer Perk) should be lowered so that you can actually manage to survive when hit two times. Also reduce the range and remove that bloody peek-a-boo digits that allow you to see where the enemy is hiding. Still, I've seen alot of people who go into PvP and, somehow, can't even handle an OP weapon like Thorn/TLW.
Eventually it all comes down to the way Bungie nerfs/buffs their weapons. If you remove Auto-Rifles completely other weapons will come out on top. Hell, I can't even recall getting killed by a Fusion Rifle or Auto-Rifle anymore. With Trials of Osiris all I get killed by it Thorn, TLW and Final Round snipers.
I agree with what you say though ...
It's really not that hard. Patience and awareness is key.
VincentMatts
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I have to say, ive been really down on Bungie and Destiny lately, but yesterday i started some Elder Scrolls online and although its not the same "scale" as Destiny, Its really made me appreciate what Bungie as accomplished with their game. The polish, the graphics, the simplicity, i have to say, i have a completely different take on it now. I appreciate it a lot more.
MagnetoWasRight
Member
All right, a little harder but twice as annoying.
So I can't get Veils to drop on 32?
Sure man, but do the VoG thing first. I've done it 3-4 times and really like every encounter. I've never done the hard mode of Crota and was hoping to get some people who had done it before, but it's looking more and more like they've all completed it already this week. Might just have to wait for Tuesday Reset again.
However, if you're looking to beat your head against Skolas let me know. Never done it, need it for the emblem thing, and have no problem with a few wipes (ex. took us about an hour to down the 34 Fallen Servitor Boss yesterday, just didn't have the DPS to kill him in one cycle so we had to focus on killing the adds for one round to make sure he didn't regain any health, then burn him).
High end players flock to the best options pretty quickly. There will always be some options that beat the rest and you can count on people finding them. That is OK. The problem is when the best options are *so much better* that other things can't compete.
Take the famous Hopscotch Pilgrim or Messenger. Probably the best Legendaries you could use right now. Despite being probably "better" than my Red Hand IX, the difference isn't large enough that I can't compete. Whereas if I try to compete with a good Thorn or TLW user with my Red Hand IX I will only win when they mess up and miss.
noomi
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You can't it will be here FOREVER
I find the boss battle before Skolas the most boring, and tedious encounter ever. Very lackluster.
Edit it. And write NVM or . Instead of what you wrote before.
I yearn for the Hopscotch. Me and EJ must of done about 25-30 strikes yesterday and didn't see a single one drop.
ultrazilla
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Oh man, keep me in mind if this ends up happening at all. It's the last trophy I need for lordship.
Me too!
xplicitone
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Gotta get to vanguard/crucible rep rank 2 first though.
Better off just getting a raid carry and hoping for good armor drops.
Oh wow really? That's lame. My heart!
If I would have known that before I started, I probably wouldn't have been able to do it. I guess I'll be doing lots and lots of PvP haha
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