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Develop: Sony studios have started PS4 projects, Xbox Next aiming for 2013 launch

Nirolak said:
I'm going to be controversial and say that not only will both consoles be out in 2013, but Sony will be out at least a month before Microsoft, even if it is only in one region.
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i'm holding you to this
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
The mass market did not, enthusiasts did, with the help of the mass market in recent years. And it's things like online services, lower prices/better deals and new ways of playing games that drove mass market adoption, not better visuals. Killzone sells way less than Call of Duty, even though it looks much better.
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Not arguing against that, but if the 360 and PS3 didn't have the visuals that separated it from its predecessors, it wouldn't have done as well.

The visuals on the next generation of consoles will be substantial leap as a basic feature. It's absolutely necessary for MS and Sony consoles.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
I wonder what routes will these systems take?

High motion control focus? A mix of traditional and motion controls? High power and expensive price? Low in power and cheap in price?
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Traditional controller, $350-$400 base SKU with as much power they can cram into it while not bleeding money. PS3 and 360 will be made even smaller and be sold for around $150 as the budget option.

At this point for MS and Sony, the machine isn't really the point. It's PSN and XBL.
 
Well, I don't know about Sony launching ahead of Microsoft, but I expect the launches to be 6 months apart at most.

Proelite said:
The visuals on the next generation of consoles will be substantial leap as a basic feature.
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I believe so, too, but I was responding to a different claim. Most people are pretty happy with the way console games look today. Once the next gen systems launch, they will be happy with those visuals for the next 8+ years.
 
^ I expect Blu Ray. Can't be the media center that MS wants without it.

Nirolak said:
I'm going to be controversial and say that not only will both consoles be out in 2013, but Sony will be out at least a month before Microsoft, even if it is only in one region.
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Interesting twist. I definitely expect the next Xbox to be out by the time E3 2013 roles around. If what you say and I believe is true then there is merit to the "PS4 in 18 months" rumor.
 
FlyingTeacup said:
I wish for the death of motion crap with the next gen.

can we bet on a blueray drive on nextbox?
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Doubtful. Digital, all the way. Especially if MS is in talks with Comcast (which I think they were...at least they're in talks/working with major networks for content).

Edit: Then again, depending on storage space....

Oh hell who knows?
 
FlyingTeacup said:
I wish for the death of motion crap with the next gen.
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3D, entertainment hub, and motion controls will be the defining features of next gen consoles that separates it from PC, Ipads, and mobile phones.
 
H_Prestige said:
The Wii U has a BD drive. I think it's safe to say MS will have one too.
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not really BD


Omegasquash said:
Doubtful. Digital, all the way. Especially if MS is in talks with Comcast (which I think they were...at least they're in talks/working with major networks for content).

Edit: Then again, depending on storage space....

Oh hell who knows?
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not with all the bw cap and disgruntled retailers (remember psp-go?)
 
manueldelalas said:
Anyone expecting a tablet controller from Sony? Or will they release that peripheral later?
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Good one.

But you can already do that with the Vita.

H_Prestige said:
The Wii U has a BD drive. I think it's safe to say MS will have one too.
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Nope. 25GB custom drive.
 
bgassassin said:
^ I expect Blu Ray. Can't be the media center that MS wants without it.



Interesting twist. I definitely expect the next Xbox to be out by the time E3 2013 roles around. If what you say and I believe is true then there is merit to the "PS4 in 18 months" rumor.
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Sony notably has zero major games announced for 2012, especially in the second half.

While I expect they will release games in the Fall, I'm thinking they will have as few as possible so they can have a very large launch/first year line-up during 2013.
 
Marius_ said:
I think it will be a poor move if they stick with the same controller design
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ds3 is fine. I know shooter folks have been a bit noisy about the trigger, other than that, i'm fine with the ds3. Just make it better i supposed. it's nice to be familiar with the buttons.
 
manueldelalas said:
Anyone expecting a tablet controller from Sony? Or will they release that peripheral later?
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Doubt it. If anything an Android app to control media features. Vita as a controller if anything, not a separate non Vita tablet, too many different things.

I expect the same controller but with concave triggers, same Move controllers, but a new HD/3D/Kinectesque camera to combine the best of both worlds and the rest of improvements strictly in the console and the network services.
 
no way either console will go without an optical drive. it's too early. though i think that there definitely will be DD-only SKU's available at some point in time during the nextgen cycle, alongside the regular SKU's.
 
H_Prestige said:
The Wii U has a BD drive. I think it's safe to say MS will have one too.
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I don't know why this keeps coming up. It's never, ever been stated to have a Blu-ray drive, there has been all kinds of complaining that it wouldn't play Blu-ray movies. I keep seeing it come up though in posts. Nothing personal against you H_Prestige but I just don't know how this isn't widely known by anyone who pays attention to gaming news.

I think Sony will be the only one next gen that has a "Blu-ray (R)" drive in their machine.
 
DenogginizerOS said:
So, 2-3 years from now for a new Xbox or Playstation. I am very curious to see what will be released over the next 2-3 years to sustain software sales on the current consoles. That seems like a long ways away for systems that seemingly are winding down significantly after this year.
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I mean there are still quite a few games on the horizon for next year that should be fairly big: Mass Effect 3, Halo 4, Far Cry 3, Borderlands 2, Twisted Metal, Last Guardian, Max Payne 3, Bioshock Infinite, Soulcaliber V. Plus there is the potential for GTAV to come out in late 2012-2013 and some games that show promise like Asura's Wrath, Dragons dogma, Devil's Third, Prey 2, Agent, and Starhawk. Plus you know there will be a couple of games no one is really paying attention to that will come out of left field and be really good.

Though I will say that I feel like after the end of 2012 their is going to seemingly be a blackhole of quality releases as all the major developers transition their franchises and build new IP's for the next gen. Hopefully they come out closer to mid to late 2013 and not 2014.
 
Meisadragon said:
Good one.

But you can already do that with the Vita.


Nope. 25GB custom drive.
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It's a BD drive without the label.
I don't know why this keeps coming up. It's never, ever been stated to have a Blu-ray drive, there has been all kinds of complaining that it wouldn't play Blu-ray movies. I keep seeing it come up though in posts. Nothing personal against you H_Prestige but I just don't know how this isn't widely known by anyone who pays attention to gaming news.
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Nobody said anything about movies. I'm just talking about the physical drive and the type of disc it reads. It is "bluray".

Does the Wii not use a DVD drive?
 
[Nintex] said:
Hopefully Samsung reads this and thinks "haha another brand of Sony we can destroy" and announces like a console that beats the shit out of what is currently in the market. We could use a new player in this space to keep everyone on their toes.
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Give me SEGA backed with big money instead
 
H_Prestige said:
It's a BD drive without the label.

Nobody said anything about movies. I'm just talking about the physical drive and the type of disc it reads. It is "bluray".
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No... it will be a blue laser. Not bluray. And who knows, maybe MS goes with HD-DVD for their system since it holds the same amount of space but harder to pirate due to it's rarity. Even then they could do something like Sega did with the Dreamcast and do a weird hybrid like the GD-Rom. Who knows. Saying they all will do Blu-ray though is just speculation. There are many other options for them.

They may try to avoid the "bag of hurt" as Steve Jobs put it regarding Blu-ray licensing.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
No... it will be a blue laser. Not bluray.
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Bluray is blue laser tech.

MS won't use HD-DVD because it would probably be more expensive and the benefits would be extremely minor. I don't see console security and running burned discs being an issue from now on.

Regarding licensing, doesn't MS already make you buy the DVD remote in order to play movies? They could do something similar with BD.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
I don't know why this keeps coming up. It's never, ever been stated to have a Blu-ray drive, there has been all kinds of complaining that it wouldn't play Blu-ray movies. I keep seeing it come up though in posts. Nothing personal against you H_Prestige but I just don't know how this isn't widely known by anyone who pays attention to gaming news.

I think Sony will be the only one next gen that has a "Blu-ray (R)" drive in their machine.
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Technically it is BD technology but they didn't license the movie playback and thus don't have to pay royalties. Much like the Wii and GCN discs were essentially DVDs.
 
H_Prestige said:
It's a BD drive without the label.

Nobody said anything about movies. I'm just talking about the physical drive and the type of disc it reads. It is "bluray".

Does the Wii not use a DVD drive?
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I think I get what you are saying. The Wii and GCN use custom DVDs, but the technology is basically the same as DVD; in the same way that the Wii U's drive technology is the same as Blu Ray.

Yes, I think the Wii U uses custom Blue Rays, and if someone hacked it, it should be possible to watch Blue Ray movies on it.
 
DonMigs85 said:
Technically it is BD technology but they didn't license the movie playback and thus don't have to pay royalties. Much like the Wii and GCN discs were essentially DVDs.
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Yup. Given that it has a 25GB capacity, I think it's fair to assume they're using a single layer, Blu-Ray disk. They presumably can't use the name because they didn't take out a full Blu-Ray license.

If the capacity was something odd like 40GB, it'd lend more credence to it being a proprietary format.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
No... it will be a blue laser. Not bluray.
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Nintendo rep: So, these Blu-ray drives you manufacture, how much do they cost?
Electronics rep: ___$
Nintendo rep: How can we shave a penny off of that?
Electronics rep: Well ... I don't know. Our manufacturing is highly cost-effective already. We'd have to remove basic functionality.
Nintendo rep: Like ... what? The ability to read multiple layers?
Electronics rep: Something like that.
 
H_Prestige said:
Regarding licensing, doesn't MS already make you buy the DVD remote in order to play movies? They could do something similar with BD.
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I think that was just for the original Xbox. I bought one for like $10 a few years ago so the Xbox could be the DVD player for my bedroom TV.
 
DonMigs85 said:
Technically it is BD technology but they didn't license the movie playback and thus don't have to pay royalties. Much like the Wii and GCN discs were essentially DVDs.
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GCN was microDVD. We have yet to see exactly form of the blue laser tech they are using for the WiiU.

Curufinwe said:
I think that was just for the original Xbox. I bought one for like $10 a few years ago so the Xbox could be the DVD player for my bedroom TV.
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Yeah, it was the original Xbox so they could pass on the DVD licensing costs to the consumer and lower the price of the overall unit. I'm all for it if it lowers the system cost taking away something I'll never use anyway.
 
In the GameCube's case it would have helped if they supported dual-layer discs. It would have been closer to the capacity of a standard single-layer DVD.
Sigh Nintendo, why do you have to be so cheap when it comes to hardware?
 
Waiting another 6 months-1yr after launch to make sure all the flaws and kinks are worked out of the initial batch of new consoles is my least favorite part of the whole affair.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
GCN was microDVD. We have yet to see exactly form of the blue laser tech they are using for the WiiU.
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The problem with diverging from established tech is that the manufacturing volumes aren't there. Laser diodes with the wavelength and output fit for a Blu-ray drive are now a mass-manufactured commodity, driving prices down. You can't start from zero with, say, a different wavelength and expect to reach cost parity to high-volume tech, let alone get it cheaper.

Similar arguments to be made for HD-DVD, but the physical differences to a Blu-ray drive are much smaller (lens aperture only).
 
Ichabod said:
Waiting another 6 months-1yr after launch to make sure all the flaws and kinks are worked out of the initial batch of new consoles is my least favorite part of the whole affair.
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This isn't usually the case though. It was only a problem with the 360 this gen. Wii was totally fine from the beginning and the ps3 actually got worse over time. Yeah it was big and power hungry at launch, but I don't expect to see any more 200 W machines in the future. I expect the heat production on next gen consoles at launch will be similar to what the ps3 and 360 are now.
 
Are these sources 100% sure?

MTV Networks' Spike TV struck a deal with the Consumer Electronics Association to be the exclusive entertainment television partner for the 2012 International Consumer Electronics show.

Under the partnership, Spike will introduce " CES All Access Live," which will serve up more than 12 hours of show coverage across TV, online, mobile, social and other platforms.

The live special will kick-off with five hours of live telecasts in HD from Las Vegas on Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2012. The CES coverage will be the first of Spike's "All Access" Live Specials, which the programmer said will occur at two other events next year: E3 in June and Comic-Con International in July.

[..]

In addition to breaking news and new "must own" devices and video games, Spike will be covering its CES party at Tryst Nightclub in the Wynn Las Vegas. The "CES All Access Live" package also will feature interactive social media components on Twitter and Facebook.

The 2012 CES is schedule to run Jan. 10-13 in Las Vegas.
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http://www.multichannel.com/article/475526-Spike_TV_Named_Entertainment_TV_Partner_For_2012_CES.php

Isn't Ballmer going to do the CES keynote?
 
H_Prestige said:
This isn't usually the case though. It was only a problem with the 360 this gen. Wii was totally fine from the beginning and the ps3 actually got worse over time. Yeah it was big and power hungry at launch, but I don't expect to see any more 200 W machines in the future. I expect the heat production on next gen consoles at launch will be similar to what the ps3 and 360 are now.
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I dunno, they could reach 250-300 watts again for the initial batches.
As for hardware reliability, Wiis did tend to suffer from bad disc drives and sometimes overheated GPUs from WiiConnect24, and many regularly-used PS3s break between 3-4 years because of weakened lead-free solder or power supply issues.
 
H_Prestige said:
This isn't usually the case though. It was only a problem with the 360 this gen. Wii was totally fine from the beginning and the ps3 actually got worse over time. Yeah it was big and power hungry at launch, but I don't expect to see any more 200 W machines in the future. I expect the heat production on next gen consoles at launch will be similar to what the ps3 and 360 are now.
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The problem wasn't high wattage with 360, it was bad cooling mechanism for the GPU. The 360 actually peaked at 175 while the ps3 peaked at 225, but the ps3 was tons more reliable.
 
H_Prestige said:
This isn't usually the case though. It was only a problem with the 360 this gen. Wii was totally fine from the beginning and the ps3 actually got worse over time. Yeah it was big and power hungry at launch, but I don't expect to see any more 200 W machines in the future. I expect the heat production on next gen consoles at launch will be similar to what the ps3 and 360 are now.
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I hear ya :) I'm rarely an early adopter on new hardware anyway, though. For me, there are too many benefits for waiting (i.e. less chance of malfunctions, price drops, package deals, redesigns, etc).
 
Nirolak said:
Doesn't he do that almost every year?
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and talking nonsense. Apparently you need to have a computer science degree to use android according to this bozo.

Kaako said:
Don't pussy out on the hardware specs, Sony. Go big or go home.
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that didn't work out as well as they have hoped for ps3.... you know... 599....

mind you i bought a launch 60gb. it's still working fine.
 
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