Gabotron ES
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Did you even read the OP?
Digital Foundry: Destiny Beta XB1 analysis and PS4 comparison
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BibiMaghoo
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Completely disgusted that a developer chose to make their game the same on each platform it is releasing on, I mean that is just appalling behavior, how dare they?
Fuck you Bungie, No buy, maybe used or something, then I'll resell.
Fuck you Bungie, No buy, maybe used or something, then I'll resell.
/s
psn
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Who cares? Most people are just bugged because the xbox one in that case is holding the other version back. And if they feel so, they are free to say it here imo.
Why gimp one version while maxing out the other? If they have limited resources I wouldn't max out one version while leaving much overhead on the other version. If they go for full parity, I'd be disappointed.
Those people are just as annoying
.The PS4 is always going to get some better performing games, it's simply more powerful. It also offers Bungie the power to ensure their vision of a 24/7 locked 30fps that the X1 may hiccup on.
The PC is always going to get some better looking and performing games, it's potentially more powerful.
Despite this, it's absolutely ridiculous to expect every single company in the world to push their games specifically for one system. Especially if they're releasing across 3, 4, or 5 platforms. I'd say that is asking a lot.
If it's JUST a X1/PS4 release I would probably expect an edge to the PS4. If it's a PS4 exclusive I expect an all out effort to create something amazing.
This isn't the case with this game, yet it's beautiful to look at (the art and those sky-boxes). And again, repeating myself, it was originally only hitting 900p. Hopefully 1080p doesn't bring it down.
Schweinehund
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The article seems almost pointless because the resolution is set to change still, and there could be a multitude of changes.
Quote those people....
So you're saying all the differences in games so far have been from incompetent devs then? There is a physical hardware difference for a reason. Look at the PS3 vs X360 version. There are differences there which could be put towards bungie's lack of experience with the PS3 and the X360 having a better GPU. There is res and shadow differences.
Really please show some of these quotes because I have seen the opposite so far. Where in this thread is there the following - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=860065
We do it all the time
Like the Watch Dogs secret settings outrage, when we angrily suspected the PC version was toned down from E3 version for console parity.JetSetRadio
Banned
Graphics aren't really impressive to me unfortunately on the ps4-bone.
It wouldn't bother me playing this on my PS3 if I liked the game.
It wouldn't bother me playing this on my PS3 if I liked the game.
What was the business justification between SNES/Genesis multiplatforms? PS1/N64 multiplatforms? PS2/XBOX/GC multiplatforms?
Seems kinda crazy that only now we need business cases for things that have been happening for something like 20-30 years.
vpance
Member
Ugh.. FFS at least just turn on 2xAA Bungie.
Don't get me wrong, I don't expect Destiny to run at 60fps.
But the latest IGN interview suggests that it's full parity.
So right now, it's a big BS practice.
Well, let us wait and see. There is enough time for me to re-order it again
(maybe)I think the issue is getting to 60fps
Dragonborn
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We do it all the time
Was the PC version forced to run at 1080/30 with console AA level and effects? Because otherwise, it's not parity. Gwtting held behind? Sure. But it's not getting parity forced on it
You can always achieve more through software optimization than you can by throwing more hardware at it. That's how software development works. I don't believe that crap about Bungie holding back the PS4 version. They simply haven't spent as much time optimizing as they have on the XB1 (with the help of Microsoft engineers).
Would bungie be able to get more out of the PS4 software through optimization? Of course. You can ALWAYS optimize more. But it seems they decided to spend their time optimizing the XB1 version as much as possible to achieve 1080p instead. That's how I see it from a programmer perspective.
Would bungie be able to get more out of the PS4 software through optimization? Of course. You can ALWAYS optimize more. But it seems they decided to spend their time optimizing the XB1 version as much as possible to achieve 1080p instead. That's how I see it from a programmer perspective.
Specially from people that is pretty obviously not even remotely familiar with how video game development works.
travisbickle
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We do it all the time
The difference is, PC is an open platform so people can fix games like Dark Souls that run at lower res. Granted Watch_Dogs is an Ubisoft release so stupid UPlay gets in the way but you get my drift.
travisbickle
Member
Back in the day, I'm pretty sure totally different developers did different versions of the games, development teams were tiny.
This. This whole generation so far has sent devs to prioritize pixel counts over how the game looks and performs.
CouchMaster
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Parity wouldn't allow them to do that.
gamechanger87
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Bungie has experience with the XB1 architecture as it is similar to the 360 with the ESRAM setup. Bungie stated that MS parachuted a team in to show them how to effectively use the architecture of the XB1 right after the June SDK. I would think Bungie's familiarity with this type of setup would allow them to take advantage of the 10% more than other developers.
Sorc3r3r
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Question is "why"?
Ps4 users do not deserve their game to be the best thing they can achive on ps4 hardware too?
Their money is less valuable?
No, you're missing my point. I expect this talk in this thread, but people seem to take "parity" as if it means both were the same from the start and there is zero difference in any way, shape, or form. The Beta is 900p folks...<---read that again.
There was NO PARITY with what Bungie was planning to release. The PS4 version was performing at a higher resolution.
With Microsoft's help they managed (without causing performance issues??) to get to 1080p.
The PS4 version should, and most likely will, run at a cleaner and MUCH more stable framerate. (I'd expect drops on the X1 where there are NONE on the PS4) It makes complete sense that Bungie wanted a very smooth 30fps without problems or fluctuations. The PS4 offers a massive amount of headroom and will most likely always offer the most stable experience.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I downloaded and played both one after the other and couldn't tell the difference. Didn't even notice the HUD difference.
I want to look for it now.
I want to look for it now.
It's not about reaching 1080p for xone, but that there is really no reason for both version looking the same.
Please show evidence of that.
"Realistically" the Xbone is clearly weaker than the PS4.
I'm sure that some people would love "hardware parity" (even though they have only one of these two systems
) But again, no: One console is weaker and one is stronger.
Of course some people can repeat the "they're on par" stuff over and over again. It won't make it any truer.
Summer Haze
Banned
No one is saying that it can't run games at 1080p 30fps, plus, resolution and framerate aren't the only things to take into consideration. 1080p 30fps with ultra effects vs 1080p 30fps with low effects are still both 1080p 30fps. It's not a static term.
Its like when some people say "the new console can't handle 1080p 60fps", that doesn't make sense because if you turn down/off enough graphical settings, any game could run at 1080p 60fps on the new consoles. I think what some people are hoping for is that the two current-gen versions of Destiny don't run at parity in terms of graphical effects, not in terms of res and framerate, because res and framerate aren't the only things that factor into parity. For example: the PS4 version should have a few little extras graphical touches, such as slightly better AA, or slightly better LOD due to it being the more powerful console. Yet both versions would still be 1080p 30fps games.
I don't want to act like an entitled brat gamer, but devs should get the most out of each machine individually. Gamers on PS4 shouldn't have their games gimped just because the other console isn't as powerful as theirs.
Going by your posting history....you!!!!
I believe money was spent on making content for the game and a lot of it is PS4 only. Can't get more non-parity than that.
Dreamgazer
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Those people are just as annoying
The PS4 is always going to get some better performing games, it's simply more powerful.
The PC is always going to get some better looking and performing games, it's potentially more powerful.
Despite this, it's absolutely ridiculous to expect every single company in the world to push their games specifically for one system. Especially if they're releasing across 3, 4, or 5 platforms. I'd say that is asking a lot.
If it's JUST a X1/PS4 release I would probably expect an edge to the PS4. If it's a PS4 exclusive I expect an all out effort to create something amazing.
This isn't the case with this game, yet it's beautiful to look at (the art and those sky-boxes). And again, repeating myself, it was originally only hitting 900p. Hopefully 1080p doesn't bring it down.
I have no particular stance on the Destiny XB1 vs PS4 performance issue at the moment.
Since there are neither evidence (ex: watchdogs) nor dev statements (ex: Evolve) to indicate any side is correct. That being said, I find all these assertions about "limited business resources" or "dev burden" to be equally pointless.
Someone could easily say "incompetent devs" and this whole conversation will still lead to nowhere.
SolsticeZero
Banned
They've been pretty adamant about the game running at 30 on every console. Hell, if they did it on the last gen consoles, I don't see the next gen one not doing it either.
DryvBy
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Who exactly said that? In fact, I recall the opposite from one user:
It feels so smooth on X1. Played PS4 up to yesterday and this feels smoother.
I hope making it 1080p does not ruin this.
Also.. playing with X1 controller.. just feels right. The rumble effects are so much more nuanced in the controller and trigger too.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=122234176&postcount=6908
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
They did say they were going for graphical parity though that's the sad part...
That has what to do with technical analysis? Even if we get around the irrelevance of your post, what game has actually had platform specific missions that were actually good?
Is your avatar some sort of nuanced satire at the XB1? I just ask with all of that horrible artifacting. Also you probably should show a post if you're claiming someone is saying something. I could say that you like cow's milk but you may be a vegan and immediately start shooting laser beams out of your eyes at me.
Dragonborn
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What an excellent counter point.
So ummm. I guess I should say, no you! Wow, haven't done that since elementary school
Chobel
Member
Sorry, but 10% more GPU alone (11.11% actually) is not enough to increase resolution from 900p to 1080p no matter who's the developer.
BruiserBear
Banned
It's actually is in a way. According to Digital Foundry sources, the GPU drivers genuinely sucked early on, and were part of the earlier port problems. Then you've got the 10% of the GPU being unlocked from Kinect resources, which developers can now use how they like.
Those two things mean the gap has actually closed somewhat. Of course a substantial hardware difference still exists, but these improvements to the XB1 SDK should make ports a little closer than they were at launch. In other words, 720p vs 1080p differences shouldn't be a thing anymore. 900p vs 1080p differences do seem likely going forward, at least for games that target 60fps.
Night Angel
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Then fucking quote him/her on when they said it. That's the proof you need to provide. I have never, EVER, seen anyone say such a thing, especially not dragonborn. Sounds like you're just making shit up.
travisbickle
Member
Them IGN compressed pics lol.
I actually prefer the XB1 HUD not due to being flat but the angled design on the PS4 version looks a little blurry/overlapped on the icons, weapon templates and other areas. You can see in the pic below.
That's actually on purpose, as an aesthetic choice they have implemented chromatic aberration. You can see in the shadow of the tree in the xbox image, the slight red outline, it's just not applied to the HUD on xbox.
MMaRsu
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Since it ran Tomb Raider at double the fps.. its a big gap.
Them IGN compressed pics lol.
I actually prefer the XB1 HUD not due to being flat but the angled design on the PS4 version looks a little blurry/overlapped on the icons, weapon templates and other areas. You can see in the pic below.
This is called chromatic aberration and this effect is not implemented on xbone.