the news says this will come in time for 2026 titles. Not 2025 titles like DS2 and GTA 6.
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[Digital Foundry] Mark Cerny: FSR 4 'Re-Implemented' For PS5 Pro - Next-Gen PSSR Coming 2026
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the news says this will come in time for 2026 titles. Not 2025 titles like DS2 and GTA 6.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah this is on Cerny. The devs first approach has been great for them since making the PS4 and PS5. But this needs to be something system-wide. Hopefully they change it for the PS6. But the PS5 Pro is their testing ground and that's okay.
Radical_3d
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Is that good. I’m a little lost about ML.
From Cerny.
Nonehxc
Member
Accompanying Eurogamer Article:
Mark Cerny: FSR 4 for PS5 Pro is the "next evolution of PSSR"
Last week, AMD released its new wave of graphics hardware, developed around the new RDNA 4 architecture. Machine learni…www.eurogamer.net
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New Ps5 pro patch for those games that I mentioned, will surely come in the near future.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yes, it's very good because if it was 300 TOPs WITH sparsity, it'd be quite weak. 300 TOPs with it puts it in line with modern mid to high-end GPUs like the 9070 XT or 3090 in terms of ML capabilities.
cormack12
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thatJohann
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ooh fun, wish it was coming sooner.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Not these confusing typos again Gaiff! I don't doubt it is newer architecture and likely more efficient but I've not seen what it does better in terms of IQ. Does it do ray reconstruction better for example? I've not seen any comparisons of the two out there really.
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mansoor1980
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cerny is a tech beast
viveks86
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If the training recipe, neural network and data sets are shared across PSSR and FSR4, it's mostly a distinction without a difference. It will come down to just hardware specific implementation and branding.
Bojji
Member
This is GOOD news. Shit PSSR will be replaced by quality reconstruction.
2026 will be a good year to buy PS5 Pro.
"Year of the
He truly is dedicated with his work and hardworking and does not stop in his research. I'm sure he can give a good seminar and talk if he is invited by companies or schools.
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm talking about FSR 4 being co developed with Sony
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Sorry about the typo.
You said: I don't even know what differences there are between PSSR and FSR4 but I suspect there isn't much already.
Per Cerny FSR4 is more advanced and and can exceed PSSR in terms of crispiness. He hopes to have achieve something similar by 2026 for PSSR. Clearly, if the lead architect says it's more advanced and can exceed it and is aiming for PSSR to be as good later on, isn't it clear as day FSR4 is better? Those are the differences we're told by Cerny.
What would be interesting to know is in what other ways and by how much.
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Killjoy-NL
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So, this is just about an improved upscaler?
jm89
Member
It's still pssr though... just an improved version.
Bojji
Member
Yeah but Cerny expects similar quality to FSR4. That's a big improvement.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
You never know when to give up. It's already worth buying and is simply going to continue to improve like we tried to explain to you and others.
PSSR isn't a one shot deal and anyone with any understanding of ML or CNNs knew that and that Sony would be forking a lot of FSR4 into PSSR and vice versa.
Multiplatform games are still best played on PS5 Pro and the reality is that's going to be more and more the case during the next 4 years.
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Mr Moose
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What can? PSSR?
FingerBang
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Cerny fucks.
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Do you understand how ML works?
TheRaidenPT
Member
Yeah, that's the impressive thing about the man! He just keeps on going
Skifi28
Member
That's your take as someone that isn't on console and by your own admission haven't seen PSSR up close. For many of us it already is good and a reason to own a pro that just keep getting better and better. It's like saying that because DLSS4 is a big improvement, everything before it was trash despite being hailed as better than native since 2.x
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
FSR4 is more advanced than PSSR. Man, typing those fucking acronyms so often is exhausting.
ChiefDada
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rickybooby87
Member
It must be a burden for Cerny to haul around those HUGE nuts, can he be stopped?
Bojji
Member
Cerny says updated version will be there in 2026 so depending on how soon in 2026 it could be ~2 years after launch and not that far from 2027 PS6 release.
Bojji
Member
Interesting... What's the time frame for Blackwell GPUs to be worthy of purchase?
Between launch and normal availability and MSRP prices - 6 months to a year, I think.
People were dumb to not buy Ada cards when they were available.
To be honest Ps5 pro especially with ML AI , it will have growing pains but in just a short while and developers will learn and will get better on how to take advantage of the technology. The good thing about Ps5 pro is it will be future proof. Ps5 pro owners,must not regret there purchase. Even 4 years from now when Ps6 is launch, Ps5 pro will still be a viable option.
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Mibu no ookami
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You're assuming no improvements to PSSR between now and then. You're also ignoring that PSSR is still better than what you get on base consoles. Even without PSSR, you're getting better games on Pro than on base.
Also PS6 isn't coming out in 2027, it's coming out in 2028 at the earliest and developments in PSSR over the next 4 years will pay dividends on PS6 not only with new titles but with BC as well.
Edit: Not to mention the PS Handheld that Sony has in development.
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Pedro Motta
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Getting more expensive by the day this PS5 Pro.
I was talking about your typo of "FSR4 is better than FSR4". Yes I understand that there are likely differences to "crispness", but I'm saying I've not seen a direct comparison of the two and I've not seen where it improves. Does it for example help to achieve better denoising, or does it achieve similar results at a lower native res. I haven't seen this be quantified or qualified. I suspect they are very similar already in most areas. I would like to see if FSR4 improves things like ray reconstruction to get rid of noise.
Bojji
Member
I think that like series x it was released too late IF PS6 launches in 2027. But of course there is no better console hardware between now and next Xbox or PS6 (if next gen Xbox even is a real thing).
He deserves a raise from Sony. He is so hard working, dedicated and persistent.
The model have to be trained so it will always improve over time. This is not a fault of PS5 Pro it's just the way that ML works .
SweetTooth
Gold Member
The BEAST is getting even better
James Sawyer Ford
Member
What does this mean? Sorry I’m out of the loop on Sparsity vs non-Sparsity
SweetTooth
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It means Pro is one hell of a Beast.
viveks86
Member
2 things that impressed me with this news, more than the fact that PSSR will match FSR4 during Pro's lifespan (that was a matter of time anyway):
- Cerny being humble enough to accept that FSR 4 is objectively better than PSSR in many aspects and that they will endeavor to match it. Shows that he doesn't have a vested interest in creating some pointless differentiation
- Alex being humble enough to accept that he was wrong about assuming Pro's TOPS figures including sparsity