SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Outside of Mariokart 8 (30fps?), none of the U's games looked visually impressive. I'd bet the farm a first person Metroid on U that's pushing the hardware would be 30fps, and everyone would be fine with it.
DigitalFoundry: Hands-on with PS4 1080p 30fps...!!
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Outside of Mariokart 8 (30fps?), none of the U's games looked visually impressive. I'd bet the farm a first person Metroid on U that's pushing the hardware would be 30fps, and everyone would be fine with it.
Yeah, we know this. But three of the most impressive ones ran on real hardware.
Because that would look like shit on most people's TV's. You don't want an interlaced image.
shinobi602
Member
Game breaking? Seriously? KZ2 had some of the best multiplayer. Why do you think KZ has a dedicated fanbase? The last thing I want is for the movement/controls to be converted into COD.
Can the masses even identify the graphical improvements that come out of targeting 30 fps rather than 60?
Lets suppose the PS4 can run Battlefield 3 at 60 fps on medium and 30 fps on ultra: Video Comparison. Would people even be able to tell the game apart on these settings?
MK8 is 60 fps in split-screen, so it's effectively rendering 120 frames per second. And I guarantee that a Metroid game that pushes the Wii U would run at 60 fps, just like MP3 and Other M did on the Wii.
bearlabored
Member
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH!!! ha...
Seriously, read DF article about Xbox One games, before writing your uneducated opinion, based on misinformation.
Hooflung128
Banned
Did anyone expect anything different? These are dev builds and ps4 specs weren't even final until a few months ago. The unoptimized games will be optimized before going gold. 30fps is the target and if they can push to 60 solid they will. I am sorry but xbone one graphics aren't impressive save for forza so who cares if they can do 60 on a select few titles at launch. Fora 3 and 4 were already jaw droppers it only makes sense to update the engine to run at 1080p with improved texture and lighting.
Dude, it's a hands-on of in-progress work.
Just because people on here overreact doesn't mean the article isn't allowed to exist.
Blur filter.
Edit, Forza suffers pop-in also, which is odd considering there are pre-baked environment shadows, no dynamic weather or time of day.
The last thing you want is for the game to not be broken? Input lag ruins games. Killzone 2 was a pile of shit. Its niche fanbase of people who were so desperate for something different than CoD that they accepted a broken game doesn't make it any more acceptable.
cobragt4001
Banned
In engine, fuck graphics engines that run on dev kits, we need gameplay footage before we start claiming omgzzzzzzz the ps4 is beast!!!!!!!
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Great games never make you think about frame rate, loading times, what demos looked like at shows, textures, resolution; etc.
nelsonroyale
Member
Which three? Ryse looks impressive visually, as does Forza...the modelling in KI looks low bar to me.
Infamous isn't coming out for another 8 or 9 months. Technical issues are to be expected...
I don't know but better you go check these games below.
The wonderful 101
Mario Kart 8
Donkey kong TF
Bayonetta 2
Super Mario 3d
Sonic Lost world
All these games 720p with 60fps.
Only Lococycle has been confirmed to be running on a PC. Various places have reported that Ryse, Killer Instinct, Forza and Dead Rising 3 were running on dev kits.
The patch didn't affect the lag.
It looks good, not everything has big budget to work with. It isn't made by the most experienced dev either. However it looks good for what it is. It looks ass compared to what exactly? Games struggling to hit 30fps? Yeah it's a trade off that developers make.
no, they are saying because of the advanced scene composition (i.e. everything looking WAAAY prettier) they are only hitting 30fps.
Which is basically what we've known... do we want some what better looking visuals running 1080p at 60fps, or do we want a generational leap in visuals running 1080p at 30fps?
And honestly, the vote sounds about split. Some put 60fps above all, some want the visual goodness of inFAMOUS SS.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Yeah I like shooters that don't respond to my controller movements.
smhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
BradleyLove
Member
I've posted this before but no one seems to pay any attention.
SCEE Liverpool houses FPQA (First Party QA). Even when games are submitted to FPQA, they can go through a lot of changes including performance. I know this for a fact as I used to work there. I still have friends working there now.
No PS4 titles are in FPQA yet.
At best they're all probably still in Alpha. Games submitted to FPQA are generally considered "feature complete" and the time used is for polish and bug fixes. Feature complete is not the same as performance complete (for want of a better expression).
When in FPQA you should be able to play the game fully but performance can still continually evolve during this period. At the minimum daily builds will be submitted to FPQA.
So again, everyone needs to act like Fonzie and be cool.
SCEE Liverpool houses FPQA (First Party QA). Even when games are submitted to FPQA, they can go through a lot of changes including performance. I know this for a fact as I used to work there. I still have friends working there now.
No PS4 titles are in FPQA yet.
At best they're all probably still in Alpha. Games submitted to FPQA are generally considered "feature complete" and the time used is for polish and bug fixes. Feature complete is not the same as performance complete (for want of a better expression).
When in FPQA you should be able to play the game fully but performance can still continually evolve during this period. At the minimum daily builds will be submitted to FPQA.
So again, everyone needs to act like Fonzie and be cool.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Many of us played Killzone 2 just fine despite the input lag.
Coincidentally I never played KZ3 but only in MP, I enjoyed KZ2. I don't think I agree with the franchise being mediocre but it's not as good as the best shooters. This doesn't include KZ Shadowfall.
Guy - please stop saying good things about Xbox.
Gabotron ES
Member
Doesn't sound too good.
flyinpiranha
Member
I'm sorry, I didn't see where DF said they were final products. Where can I read that part?
On a side note, weren't some developers 'surprised' at the 8GB DDR5 reveal, some may be playing catch-up with optimization. I'd imagine most of the games listed would have been 'in the know' though. This is launch and this is months before these games are shipped, I'm still hopeful.
yes, we don't have palantirs, right. of course we can only discuss reasonably what is shown to us.
Moral Panic
Member
Amazing. If this article was about Xbone I wonder how different the replies would be?
Already have a PC, only need exclusives Sony needs to fix up fast (input lag is 100% unacceptable).
Already have a PC, only need exclusives Sony needs to fix up fast (input lag is 100% unacceptable).
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I don't think it has anything to do with raw horsepower and everything to do with issues surrounding development. I think we all know that MS is better at the resource game by now. They have a really good tech staff (and probably a more mature dev tool set) that can help developers out. Plus, it really helps when devs have known for a long time what your hardware is going to be like. Sony made some last minute changes that surely made a difference. Also, it shouldn't be hard to get 60 FPS out of Killer Instinct compared to other genres that have much larger, busier enviroments.
shinobi602
Member
*sigh*
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
You're arguing with facts girl. Bayonetta 360 > Bayonetta PS3 playing one after another was like night and day in responsiveness.
I was at E3 and saw the PCs with my own eyes.
this isnt even bad tho. Im not obsessed with framerate as long as its playable and not Blighttown Dark Souls level slide show mess im good with 30 locked 1080p
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
I feel like it's too early for these kinds of analysis's, unless they plan on revisiting them prior to launch.
gundamkyoukai
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Because the magic 8 ball says so?
I'm not too worried. Launch is still nearly half a year away, so there's plenty of time for polish and optimisation.
As for the age-old 30fps vs 60fps argument, I'd have thought those of us on consoles would've gotten used to 30fps games by now. As a PC gamer first and foremost I love me some smooth 60fps, but I've learned not to expect it on consoles, especially in the most glamorous first-party titles.
As for the age-old 30fps vs 60fps argument, I'd have thought those of us on consoles would've gotten used to 30fps games by now. As a PC gamer first and foremost I love me some smooth 60fps, but I've learned not to expect it on consoles, especially in the most glamorous first-party titles.
nelsonroyale
Member
No, it does look pretty good overall. But as a showcase of visuals in a next gen fighting game, I don't find it to look impressive at all. Lighting and effects look nice, but modelling looks like something that could be done on current gen. Mind you, even this gen fighting games weren't the visual showcases that they have been in previous gens...
Mr. B Natural
Member
When your game is running pre-30 fps, the aim for your game is to lock 30 by release. That, most of the time, doesn't happen.
When your game is running pre-50, the aim of your game is to lock 60 by release. That, most of the time, doesn't happen either.
No pipeline optimization is ever going to double your framerate, or double the resolution of your textures or poly count or mesh count. Maybe the programmers will figure out a way to halve load times, but even that is a pipedream.
When your game is running pre-50, the aim of your game is to lock 60 by release. That, most of the time, doesn't happen either.
No pipeline optimization is ever going to double your framerate, or double the resolution of your textures or poly count or mesh count. Maybe the programmers will figure out a way to halve load times, but even that is a pipedream.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Forza, quantum break and ryse looked pretty awesome. It all comes down to gameplay though.
No, because Nintendo targets 60 fps in almost all of their games and still manages to push out impressive visuals on weaker hardware.
Yeah, good advice. Games are in alpha for a reason...
Jigolo
Member
People writing off these games right now based pre release beta code is pretty stupid. There's 5 months left till some of these game releases and some the of E3 builds could be from months prior like May or April. If the games release with choppy frame rate and blurry textures, then you have some kind of argument. Meanwhile all this is only Beta/Alpha stuff
I think fighting games can indeed look a lot more impressive, but saying it looks like "ass" even relatively just makes me shake my head.