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Divinity: Original Sin |OT| Sandbox RPG. Co-Op friendly. Bread.
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Finn of Ooo
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Is there armor proficiency, and if so does it not affect spell casting ability?
Right. Though a multiplatform title in the same circumstances probably wouldn't do much better. Of course, if it was exclusive to a single console...
Yes there is, but each point only increases armor by 5% and decreases the MOVEMENT heavy armor penalty by 20%.
You forgot:
- It's an RPG where media types can't do quick assessments about the quality of the game without a large investment of time.
So fuck them. This game will be carried by word of mouth.
Her right arm is in shadow, being positioned slightly behind her torso.
It's the publishers job to sell the game to me, not the media.
The media is supposed to inform people about good games.
All good games, not just those which were sold to them at conventions or predigested into rabble-rousing headlines.
Finn of Ooo
Member
But the penalties to spells do not go away? That's a shame, I guess I will be wearing light armor.
I think it's a good thing, really. Heavy armor should have a spellcasting penalty, because then spells can be more powerful as there is an inherent tradeoff. Otherwise, spells need to be balanced under the assumption that they can also be used by a fully armed and armored tank.
This game doesn't have a publisher.
I don't see hybrids to be effective. At least initially. The strength / int investment is just too high to get rid of the penalty. Not to speak of the missing boni. Talents also need to be spread out more.
I can see it working of you just want one spell from the starter choices (e.g. +50% dmg buff, or Retreat from the Ranger), other than that, I don't think it'll make for a strong character.
I'm going for a Melee with the following skills / talents / traits and make him an onslaught meat wall machine of impenetrable doom and swift death. Since my other character has Leadership and a damage buff, he's dishing out ridiculous damage.
In my testings, I was dishing out out up to 60 damage per normal melee swing on level 1 WITHOUT Bully active.
I'll be focusing on 2 Handed, Armor prof, Blacksmithing (just for the upgrading, not so much for weapon creating). Charisma (for dialogue options / intimidation) and Man-at-Arms. Later Bodybuilding. Due to Lone Wolf I get more talents per level up, so I can reach higher skill levels faster and easier. I'll probably change Charisma to Leadership or skill that later, since it's an easy permanent buff - even just on level 1 for my other character.
My other character will be a pure Mage that fulfills both, a supportive and offensive role.
+50% damage buff for my main character, heal, later more CC and offensive spells and a spamable slow to trigger Bully for another +50% damage increase for a whooping 150-160% damage increase (depending how stuff is calculated) along with Leadership for my warrior. Will focus on Witchcraft for buff / debuffs, Air for Damage and Utility and Water for Heal, CC and Utility. Otherwise on Lorecraft and Leadership for additional permanent boni. +Range talent and Bully for self +50% damage buff on CCed targets.
I'll probably pick up a Archer companion later, which I'll give Rogue talents such as Lock and Pocket picking as off DPS and additional source of CC / Debuffs. I'm also playing with the idea to just play with both main charters and give her Lone Wolf as well for an even greater challenge. I'll be missing the additional story of all the companions, tho.
foobarry81
Member
The strategy here was mainly that the Kickstarter project would "sell" the game to the early adopters, who would then spread the love through word of mouth.
Also Larian has been very generous with behind-the-scenes style videos on YT and Twitch sessions, as they always have been.
Larian (Swen) has stared that they are too busy with the main game right now. But he left open the possibility of an expansion.
Here are some
Shows alot of stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDaYWfqJD3g
Show one long battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X5SM9Cwpl8
Shows the editor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3nBG3O70k
If these 3 videos arent enough to make you buy this game then i dont know
That battle is hilarious.
I've already bought it but I'm curious anyway: I don't really get that page. One of them wants to trade a Divinity key for only 3 "Mann Co. Supply Crate Keys"? That would be 6 or something. Or how does that work?
20% -- so down to $31.99 from $39.99. I can't believe I missed the Kickstarter entirely (especially since Divine Divinity was one of my favorites back in the day), but paying $32 on day one instead of $25 (the Kickstarter early backer price) isn't too bad.
I don't see hybrids to be effective. At least initially. The strength / int investment is just too high to get rid of the penalty. Not to speak of the missing boni. Talents also need to be spread out more.
I can see it working of you just want one spell from the starter choices (e.g. +50% dmg buff, or Retreat from the Ranger), other than that, I don't think it'll make for a strong character.
I'm going for a Melee with the following skills / talents / traits and make him an onslaught meat wall machine of impenetrable doom and swift death. Since my other character has Leadership and a damage buff, he's dishing out ridiculous damage.
In my testings, I was dishing out out up to 60 damage per normal melee swing on level 1 WITHOUT Bully active.
I'll be focusing on 2 Handed, Armor prof, Blacksmithing (just for the upgrading, not so much for weapon creating). Charisma (for dialogue options / intimidation) and Man-at-Arms. Later Bodybuilding. Due to Lone Wolf I get more talents per level up, so I can reach higher skill levels faster and easier. I'll probably change Charisma to Leadership or skill that later, since it's an easy permanent buff - even just on level 1 for my other character.
My other character will be a pure Mage that fulfills both, a supportive and offensive role.
+50% damage buff for my main character, heal, later more CC and offensive spells and a spamable slow to trigger Bully for another +50% damage increase for a whooping 150-160% damage increase (depending how stuff is calculated) along with Leadership for my warrior. Will focus on Witchcraft for buff / debuffs, Air for Damage and Utility and Water for Heal, CC and Utility. Otherwise on Lorecraft and Leadership for additional permanent boni. +Range talent and Bully for self +50% damage buff on CCed targets.
I'll probably pick up a Archer companion later, which I'll give Rogue talents such as Lock and Pocket picking as off DPS and additional source of CC / Debuffs. I'm also playing with the idea to just play with both main charters and give her Lone Wolf as well for an even greater challenge. I'll be missing the additional story of all the companions, tho.
Unfortunately the more I look at the more I agree, hybrids just won't cut it. Maybe down the line there could be tweaks or niche builds that work, but doesn't look promising at first glance based on what we know so far.
I've read they will be in for launch.
Mann Co. Supply Crate Keys (TF2 keys) can be bought and sold on steam for an average amount of real money (Similar to currency exchange). For multiple reasons, traders around the world prefer to use TF2 keys instead of direct payment when selling games through Steam.
Current rates directly through steam is around ~$2.30 per key. Lowest price should still be around ~$1.90, but assumes more hassle and slight risk.
LurkerPrime
Member
The important thing is not only the power of the editor, but also its ease of use. A lot of the editors are very technical and difficult to use for newbies, which drastically cuts down on the audience that would ever attempt making something.
Neverwinter Nights had two expansins and countless patches worth of refinement to its engine that allowed for some amazing stuff to happen, such as rideable horses and visible cloaks (which were some of the final (free) additions to the game). The editor itself is relatively straightforward, such that even complete newbies can make a functioning map (it may suck, but it will work). They also took a good approach to making easy-to-use custom content via .hak files - simply download them and stuff them into the hak folder and you're all set to play.
One really neat, unintended thing that occured in Neverwinter Nights was Persistent Worlds - dedicated online multiplayer game servers that stayed up 24/7, allowing dozens of players and multiple Dungeon Masters to coordinate events and actions together. There was even some linked servers, allowing for travel between the two different worlds. Coupled with the wealth of custom content, it made for a really neat experience. Every persistent world was basically a miniature MMO.
It would be really nice if DOS ushers in a new era of user-made content.
Finn of Ooo
Member
I agree but there could be perks or something to circumvent that, which would then limit you in other ways because you no longer have those points to use freely.
Totally agree. Not a huge fan of games where every character can do anything.
But this way he can't really do nothing but a single thing. I like if non-pure-mages can at least make use of basic utility spells such as buffs / debuffs or CC spells. Of course it won't make sense to cast fireball due to the lack of int and heavy armor penalty, but I don't see why I shouldn't be able to buff myself just because I'm wearing heavy armor.
UrAvgGuy
Member
I don't see hybrids to be effective. At least initially. The strength / int investment is just too high to get rid of the penalty. Not to speak of the missing boni. Talents also need to be spread out more.
I can see it working of you just want one spell from the starter choices (e.g. +50% dmg buff, or Retreat from the Ranger), other than that, I don't think it'll make for a strong character.
I'm going for a Melee with the following skills / talents / traits and make him an onslaught meat wall machine of impenetrable doom and swift death. Since my other character has Leadership and a damage buff, he's dishing out ridiculous damage.
In my testings, I was dishing out out up to 60 damage per normal melee swing on level 1 WITHOUT Bully active.
I'll be focusing on 2 Handed, Armor prof, Blacksmithing (just for the upgrading, not so much for weapon creating). Charisma (for dialogue options / intimidation) and Man-at-Arms. Later Bodybuilding. Due to Lone Wolf I get more talents per level up, so I can reach higher skill levels faster and easier. I'll probably change Charisma to Leadership or skill that later, since it's an easy permanent buff - even just on level 1 for my other character.
My other character will be a pure Mage that fulfills both, a supportive and offensive role.
+50% damage buff for my main character, heal, later more CC and offensive spells and a spamable slow to trigger Bully for another +50% damage increase for a whooping 150-160% damage increase (depending how stuff is calculated) along with Leadership for my warrior. Will focus on Witchcraft for buff / debuffs, Air for Damage and Utility and Water for Heal, CC and Utility. Otherwise on Lorecraft and Leadership for additional permanent boni. +Range talent and Bully for self +50% damage buff on CCed targets.
I'll probably pick up a Archer companion later, which I'll give Rogue talents such as Lock and Pocket picking as off DPS and additional source of CC / Debuffs. I'm also playing with the idea to just play with both main charters and give her Lone Wolf as well for an even greater challenge. I'll be missing the additional story of all the companions, tho.
Hmm that's interesting. I usually tend to prefer a hybrid character but I may have to rethink that.
To clarify: To get rid of the initial -30% penalty you need 3 additional int / strength (8 in total) respectively for the starter skills. This will increase for higher level skills. This means you can accomplish a 8 strength, 7 int spec at the start of the game, but lack any other stats. You'll need to prominently invest in only those two attributes whenever you get a skill point to keep up with the requirements. Additional stats over the requirement provide a 5% increase. Further, you need to have the appropriate talents, or the spells and skills cost more AP. A level 3 Air Magic spell, needs a level 3 Aerologhthyhqbla skill. If you are aero level 1, the level 3 spell will cost additionally +4AP (I think), making it not really feasible. As a mage you want to have multiple Elements. Level 1 of any Talent cost 1 point, Level 2 costs 2(!) points etc Meaning you have to sacrifice elements in order to level Man-at-Arms to make use of the warrior skills.
Just bought a copy. Going to play this in co-op with my buddy. Everything about this game sounds so great.
So how are Divinity Original Sin: The Golden Grail DLC and Divinity Original Sin: Zandalor's Trunks DLC? Anything substantial? Are they something you can play towards the end of the story?
So how are Divinity Original Sin: The Golden Grail DLC and Divinity Original Sin: Zandalor's Trunks DLC? Anything substantial? Are they something you can play towards the end of the story?
Yes. But who informs the media about good games?
As I said, I'm not looking for a fight but I cant agree that it's the media's fault that people dont know about this videogame. The Publisher (or developer in this instance) is the one who has most to gain (and lose) by not getting their videogame into the public.
Also, for the record, this game has had some pretty incredible press which has actually used in their teaser trailers - so I'm not even sure what you're talking about?
Sir Garbageman
Member
On the ineffective hybrid talk, is the ranger class considered a hybrid?
Intheflorsh
Banned
The nonrepresentative character portraits are a bummer. Since you can only customize a few things about your characters, it seems reasonable that they could have created a few more matching portraits. It's not a huge problem, but it's disappointing.
I should also say that I like how intuitive experimenting with the magic system is. Oil and flares gives you burning enemies, water and electricity electrocutes, etc.
I should also say that I like how intuitive experimenting with the magic system is. Oil and flares gives you burning enemies, water and electricity electrocutes, etc.
Ranger is an own thing:
The talents are broke down into:
-Expert Marksmen (Ranger) <> Dex
-Scoundrel (Rogue) <> Dex
-Man-at-Arms (Melee) <> Str
-Witchcraft, Air, Water, Fire, Earth (Mage) <> Int
You need the appropriate talent and the appropriate stats to equip and/or use a particular talent. Anything above that requirement yields a small %-increase (I think 5% per point, but I'm not sure).
edit: if you speak about the preset class "Ranger", it's a pure archer. Wayfarer is a Ranger / Mage hybrid. You can customize your character in every aspect no matter the starting class. All that determines is the starting equipment. I choose Knight as pre-set for the heavy armor and 2h weapon, but customize him to have almost nothing in common with the preset.
The Golden Grail turns items into gold. Zandalor's Trunks comments on the happenings of the world as you explore it.
Oh good to know they're something that can be easily skipped.
BG2 is fantastic yeah.
But honestly, it's a pretty HUGE game, if you want to play Divinity I suggest to wait.
The true sacrifice of a hybrid character is activity. In combat you have action points determining how much you can do in a round. The amount you start a combat with is based on perception, the amount gained per round is based on speed, initiative is based on speed/perception, and your cap is based on constitution.
Every attribute point has immense value. Because you can get them on gear splashing hybridization becomes more feasible as you level but being a true multiclass from the start is a more intense path; more in the ad&d tradition of versatility over brute power.
There are some balance issues as always but the overall system really pushes you to value what you actually want each character to do appropriately while still allowing for strong thematic builds given dedication and patience.
Every attribute point has immense value. Because you can get them on gear splashing hybridization becomes more feasible as you level but being a true multiclass from the start is a more intense path; more in the ad&d tradition of versatility over brute power.
There are some balance issues as always but the overall system really pushes you to value what you actually want each character to do appropriately while still allowing for strong thematic builds given dedication and patience.
Just saw this in the steam thread, another coop isomatric RPG on Kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-in-a-brutal-dieselpunk-univers?ref=discovery
Neogaf thread is here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843968&highlight=insomnia
Just heard for the first time about this, looks pretty good (beside the UI). I thought some people from this thread could be interested in a game like this
So back to Divinity, only 19hours till Editor. Second half of 2014 will be amazing. Divinity, Risen3(not much hype for it on gaf sadly ), Dragon Age, PoE (still planned for 2014 ^^) and maybe Wasteland2 (not sure if i like it)
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-in-a-brutal-dieselpunk-univers?ref=discovery
Neogaf thread is here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843968&highlight=insomnia
Just heard for the first time about this, looks pretty good (beside the UI). I thought some people from this thread could be interested in a game like this
So back to Divinity, only 19hours till Editor. Second half of 2014 will be amazing
. Divinity, Risen3(not much hype for it on gaf sadly ), Dragon Age, PoE (still planned for 2014 ^^) and maybe Wasteland2 (not sure if i like it)Yeah? Zandalor's Trunks is exactly the kind of thing I'd be annoyed about missing.
I got the DLC with 4 keys just because of the included soundtrack. I -love- the music.
Oh I'll be playing Divinity first, I was just getting ideas for other games in the genre!
Just saw this in the steam thread, another coop isomatric RPG on Kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-in-a-brutal-dieselpunk-univers?ref=discovery
Neogaf thread is here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843968&highlight=insomnia
Just heard for the first time about this, looks pretty good (beside the UI). I thought some people from this thread could be interested in a game like this
The dieselpunk game? It looks promising. The UI used in the Divinity: OS Kickstarter footage was nothing special either.
Well not 9,99€ annoyed
The DLC items are from the Kickstarter.