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[Gambit2483]

The fact of the matter is Xbox and Playstation don't get "outed" in the piracy scene as much because a very large majority of their games are already available on the PC Market, and once a game hits the PC market its "free game" (literally)

Nintendo is the Only "Major holdout" where PC players have to actively emulate and steal/pirate their software, so it becomes more of a public issue.

 

[kevboard]

You can emulate hardware all you want but once you throw the os for that device on that emulator it is in fact illegal pirated software you are using UNLESS you actually own the original device.

That is not an opinion.

Hmm, ok. I think I'm following your point. I don't know that it is factual, but it is logical.

that's in fact true, any copyrighted code you download makes it illegal.

thankfully Dolphin for example doesn't need any bios or anything and just runs games, same with some PS1 emulators like ePSXe and FPse.

also, there's actually a fully legal way to get a PS1, PS2 and PS3 bios for example, directly from Sony .
As Sony provides PS3 firmware updates online that you can just download. then you can use a tool in combination with RPCS3 to exact all the bios files directly from a legally downloaded file.

 

[SScorpio]

I changed my vote from Yes to No. The technical definition of each is distinct; they are not the same.

I had originally absentmindedly interpreted the question as: "Do you think most non-corporate entities that emulate are able to do so via piracy?" to which I think the answer is Yes.

It really depends on what you mean when you say non-corporate entity. The end user is a normal person? The device is made by a company?

Almost all electronic device have some mixture of software and hardware emulation as so many things are just built on top of what's there before? They new CPU you have? Well... it's not really hardcoded to the x64 instruction set, there's a translation layer in the middle. Pretty much every single audio chip in any device? It's just emulating the feature set of a early 2000s audio chip. So someone just on a phone or tablet could be emulating 10s if not 100s of things.

Ok so something that's corporate made is fine then. All those "emulation" handhelds and consoles enter the chat.

 

[SScorpio]

also, there's actually a fully legal way to get a PS1, PS2 and PS3 bios for example, directly from Sony .
As Sony provides PS3 firmware updates online that you can just download. then you can use a tool in combination with RPCS3 to exact all the bios files directly from a legally downloaded file.

Yup there's no warnings or licenses about acceptable use on the download page. So have fun.

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps3/system-software/

 

[Topher]

that's in fact true, any copyrighted code you download makes it illegal.

thankfully Dolphin for example doesn't need any bios or anything and just runs games, same with some PS1 emulators like ePSXe and FPse.

also, there's actually a fully legal way to get a PS1, PS2 and PS3 bios for example, directly from Sony .
As Sony provides PS3 firmware updates online that you can just download. then you can use a tool in combination with RPCS3 to exact all the bios files directly from a legally downloaded file.

Yup there's no warnings or licenses about acceptable use on the download page. So have fun.

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps3/system-software/

 

[Grildon Tundy]

It really depends on what you mean when you say non-corporate entity. The end user is a normal person? The device is may be a company?

Almost all electronic device have some mixture of software and hardware emulation as so many things are just built on top of what's there before? They new CPU you have? Well... it's not really hardcoded to the x64 instruction set, there's a translation layer in the middle. Pretty much every single audio chip in any device? It's just emulating the feature set of a early 2000s audio chip. So someone just on a phone or tablet could be emulating 10s if not 100s of things.

Ok so something that's corporate made is fine then. All those "emulation" handhelds and consoles enter the chat.

I am not a smart man. I meant something like any typical schlub/end user doing emulation.

 

[genesisblock]

If emulation is piracy, so is virtual machines.

 

[Fabieter]

Yup there's no warnings or licenses about acceptable use on the download page. So have fun.

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps3/system-software/

Sony covers this in their EULA for the use of all of their software tho.

You have to own and dump your own BIOS. Realistically, no one's going to come after you, but the discussion is about whether it's technically piracy and while its not, it's used in a pirated context alot.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Of course it is. Unless the OG Publisher and Dev are not getting paid it's piracy.

 

[Shmunter]

Stealing copyright material is piracy. Emulation is just software.

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

For new games, absolutely.
For old games, from consoles generations ago, absolutely not.

 

[adamsapple]

Of course it is. Unless the OG Publisher and Dev are not getting paid it's piracy.

Not sure how a publisher can be paid in this scenario if someone decides to use their own PS1 CD ROM to rip to emulate a game on Duckstation.

 

[kevboard]

Of course it is. Unless the OG Publisher and Dev are not getting paid it's piracy.

so you want the publisher to be paid every time someone puts their PS1 disc of GTA2 into their PC's disc drive?

that's a weird opinion to have ngl

 

[Kilau]

You don't have to emulate to play pirated games.

You don't have to use pirated games to emulate.

The question was:

Does Emulation = Piracy

It absolutely does not, any other "ifs or buts" thrown in is changing the question.

 

[Naz93]

Your whole argument is based on "you're f*cking dumb " or "you're a moron ", lol. You're truly a special kinda dumbass. Not surprised, Nintendo fanboys tend to be very dense. I tried to explain to you in a decent manner, but you're too much of a shill to have a functioning brain.

I wouldn't have questioned your intelligence if you hadn't been so condescending. Your argument lost credibility when you misrepresented my point and ignored my arguments entirely. I also don't understand why you keep calling me a 'Nintendo fanboy' as an insult I have a job, built my own PC, and can easily afford multiple consoles; I'm not limiting my hobby. I called you a moron because using 'Nintendo brain rot' in a sentence is both ridiculous and childish.