Prine said:Halo 2 estimations are crazy. 4 million? noway.
2 million max imo
WULFER said:The point is simple Halo 2 will be what GTA did last year. Online play will make it a stronger multiplayer title.
DarienA said:And there have been no other sci fi shooters this gen?
DarienA said:You are looking at this as if all of these titles exist in some type of static universe where nothing grows or changes.
DarienA said:by some of the 'logic' you've attempted to use in your posts a title like Madden should not continue to sell more each year.. because it's peaked... and it's long in the tooth. It pains me to admit that your analytical skills are pretty f'n bad.
A strong franchise that has 'strong' sequels will continue to sell to existing and new users. Madden does it... DMC did not.... THQ's wrestling games do it... Acclaim's do not.
Did True Crime see even CLOSE to GT's sales numbers? No. Next.I can't think of any that were as similar to Halo as True Crime and Driv3r are to GTA. One thing about Sci-Fi games is that they each reside in their own unique universes so that tends to differentiate them from each other a great deal. GTA, True Crime, and Driv3r are all attempting to mirror the same universe; the 'real' world.
Nice shot burn keep thinkin Halo 2 won't sale and you'll be the one were burning. Instead of attacking each other why don't we wait and see what happens. Then again it wouldn't be a GAF if we did now would it?I seem to recall your sales projections generally sucking in the past Wulfer, Do you remember "GT3 won't sell, no-ones interested"? at all![]()
WULFER said:Nice shot burn keep thinkin Halo 2 won't sale and you'll be the one were burning.
SolidSnakex said:He didn't even say HALO2 wouldn't sell, he just said that your predictions aren't exactly right all the time. And if you did say GT3 wasn't going to sell he's got a good point.
You're one to talk.DopeyFish said:JC10001 has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.
DarienA said:Wulfer did say that... he's just not gracious enough to admit he said it and be done with it.
BeOnEdge said:i just dont see the ps2 doing as much as some of you think it will do this christmas. If xbox has indeed equalled ps2 with monday when NPD comes out, and is SUMMER, the slowest time for games, sony needs to be worried this fall.
DarienA said:Did True Crime see even CLOSE to GT's sales numbers? No. Next.
DarienA said:The problem I have with your dissection of sales growth JC is that Madden showed huge sales growth numbers on the PS2 alone.
DarienA said:Even if the GT series sales had peaked the whole world has not seen a GT sequel since what 2001? While I agree that the Halo userbase is probably growing a faster rate than the GT userbase currently, I'd also hazard a guess that the GT userbase is so much larger that Halo still has a way to go before it catches up but I'm entirely too lazy to search and drum out sales #'s so take it for what it's worth.
siamesedreamer said:Halo 2 will do at least 3 million through December in the US.
Also, just going by last year's NFSU numbers, part 2 has the *potential* to seriously canabalize GT4 sales. MGS3 and GTA will do real well though.
Derail? YOU are the one that tried to say that because GTA has seen knock off's this year that the interest in the series has probably decreased. My response is how can that be when the knock-off's sold so poorly compared to it?JC10001 said:What does comparing GT and TC's sales have to do with how similar Halo is to the other Sci-Fi games on the market? Way to derail.
I don't get this one....the problem with the above statement is that the PS2 generally hasn't had sales spikes... and nothing on tap with the jump of Madden sales. The PS2 has generally consistently sold well, but continues to see an expected sales drops. PS2 sales spikes that do exist have generally come around price drops, and around the holiday season. Madden was not released around price drops and is released before the holiday sales season.A certain percentage of console owners are always going to buy Madden therefore Madden's sales spiked because PS2's sales spiked, not the other way around.
Fair enough. GT3 sold by the bucket load. That's partially because it's a popular series and partially because it was one of the first great games on the PS2. There is a lot more competition on the platform now so I wouldn't be surprised to see GT3's sales exclipse those of GT4.
DarienA said:Derail? YOU are the one that tried to say that because GTA has seen knock off's this year that the interest in the series has probably decreased. My response is how can that be when the knock-off's sold so poorly compared to it?
DarienA said:I don't get this one....the problem with the above statement is that the PS2 generally hasn't had sales spikes... and nothing on tap with the jump of Madden sales. The PS2 has generally consistently sold well, but continues to see an expected sales drops. PS2 sales spikes that do exist have generally come around price drops, and around the holiday season. Madden was not released around price drops and is released before the holiday sales season.
DarienA said:Actually that's just it...there isn't alot more competition on the PS2. There are a shitload of arcade racers... and yeah you get stuff like Codemasters titles... but there is nothing like GT on the PS2.
shut upSaturnman said:Definitely more than Metroid Prime 1 and 2 combined. By a long shot.![]()
Very generally speaking true, but certain games... such as your Maddens, and your THQ wrestlers, and your Namco fighters aleady have a leg up in people's minds. I think it's safe to say that GT4 is one of those games as is Halo 2.More good games = more competition. Two games don't have to be in the same genre to compete with each other. Both of them are fighting for people's hard earned dollars.
DarienA said:Very generally speaking true, but certain games... such as your Maddens, and your THQ wrestlers, and your Namco fighters aleady have a leg up in people's minds. I think it's safe to say that GT4 is one of those games.
JC10001 said:Fair enough, we shall see what happens. I have no doubt that it will sell very well. I just don't think it will sell "GT3" well.
GT2 didn't sell quite as well as GT1 or GT3. Relatively consistant yes, but not entirely.SolidSnakex said:You mean GT1, GT2 and GT3 well. The series is amazingly consistant.
Fortunately Pokemon RuSa will have ousold both Halo 1 and 2 combined. By a longer shot.Saturnman said:Definitely more than Metroid Prime 1 and 2 combined. By a long shot.![]()
Lil' Dice said:You guys need to stop it if you really think Halo 2 will NOT outsell the first. Not only will there be more Xboxes by the time Halo 2 comes out, but i personally know of at least 5 people who are buying, and subscribing to Live solely for Halo 2. Seriously, even Vons grocery stores will be selling the game.
Lil' Dice said:You guys need to stop it if you really think Halo 2 will NOT outsell the first. Not only will there be more Xboxes by the time Halo 2 comes out, but i personally know of at least 5 people who are buying, and subscribing to Live solely for Halo 2. Seriously, even Vons grocery stores will be selling the game.
Lil' Dice said:I know some of you may be Nintendo/Sony fans, but the level of denial displayed in this thread is quite disturbing.
DarienA said:There's a joke in here.... but I'm on my way to lunch...
Lil' Dice said:Enjoy your lunch.....don't think too hard.
And if the buzz for Halo 2 @ this past E3 is any indicator, Halo 2 will be a huge success.
SolidSnakex said:It's going to be a huge success, no doubt about that. But E3 isn't a place you want to base that on.
Lil' Dice said:Why not. E3 goers are not all elitist gamers. I would wager to say that 60% of the crowd are casuals. It's akin to the buzz films produce with advanced screenings and focus group testing.
SolidSnakex said:If you went by E3 buzz, State of Emergency should've owned GTA3. Another would be that the DC should've been a bigger success than the PS2 if you went by buzz from there.
And if the buzz for Halo 2 @ this past E3 is any indicator, Halo 2 will be a huge success.
DarienA said:What is it they need to be worried about?
Are you saying Theory:
Summer is the slowest part of the year... MS equals Sony sales. So that means Fall biggest sales time MS has one* big release, Sony has 3. MS will still equal Sony sales?
*Yes you can correct me if there are other big "mainstream" fall releases
BeOnEdge said:HALO 2 IMO is bigger than any of sonys big releases,. you dont see vice city selling 10,000 copies a month still....or do you?GT4....nfs2u and bo3 will cannibalize its sales. whats the 3rd one? madden? are we forgetting your favorite company has shacked up with MS? madden on LIVE could work wonders possibly.
BeOnEdge said:HALO 2 IMO is bigger than any of sonys big releases,. you dont see vice city selling 10,000 copies a month still....or do you?GT4....nfs2u and bo3 will cannibalize its sales. whats the 3rd one? madden? are we forgetting your favorite company has shacked up with MS? madden on LIVE could work wonders possibly.
Saturnman said:Definitely more than Metroid Prime 1 and 2 combined. By a long shot.![]()