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[DarienA]

HALO 2 IMO is bigger than any of sonys big releases,. you dont see vice city selling 10,000 copies a month still....or do you? GT4....nfs2u and bo3 will cannibalize its sales. whats the 3rd one? madden? are we forgetting your favorite company has shacked up with MS? madden on LIVE could work wonders possibly.

#1. That would be because Vice City has already sold millions upon f'n millions you idiot.
#2. Once again we're having this argument that GT4 appeals to the tinkerers more than the arcade racers do... duh. Same genre racing... different sub-genre arcade vs. sim.
#3. The third one is supposedly MGS3 you tool(though I have some doubts about that release date). Here's a hint... try READING all of the posts that precedes yours....

 

[jedimike]

#1. That would be because Vice City has already sold millions upon f'n millions you idiot.

What's up with all the name calling on GAF today? His point was valid when you look at the userbase and continued sales. Halo has maintained it's sales for 2 1/2 years... GTA sold at a time when the PS2 install base was 3-4 times what Xbox was.

People are still buying PS2's aren't they? So it doesn't make sense that a game isn't selling anymore because it already sold to everyone.

 

[gofreak]

I think it'll help Live more than the actual install base, in the long run at least. There'll be a hardware boost, for sure, if only temporarily.

 

[Saturnman]

Isn't that a good thing?

I mean I'd prefer Metroid to be moving Gamecubes.

Blame YTV's Video & Arcade show for not pushing the Gamecube more. In Canada anyway.

 

[6.8]

I'd prefer have Metroid and Halo on the same platform next time around. Fite!

 

[Lil' Dice]

#1. That would be because Vice City has already sold millions upon f'n millions you idiot.
#2. Once again we're having this argument that GT4 appeals to the tinkerers more than the arcade racers do... duh. Same genre racing... different sub-genre arcade vs. sim.
#3. The third one is supposedly MGS3 you tool(though I have some doubts about that release date). Here's a hint... try READING all of the posts that precedes yours....

You're an asshole in need of a prober bitch slap.
You're flying off the handle simply because of a man expressing his opinions? I wonder how people like you make it through the day.....

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Jesus, let Sony's pee pee go.

I think it will help them. I know a lot of people who buy Xbox's in my friends shop now leave with a Halo 2 pre-order so it is beginning.

 

[Hero]

Of course it'll sell some Xboxen, but I don't think it's going to be that many. Anyone remotely interested in the Halo 'franchise' has bought the Xbox and Halo, either at launch, or every month since then, and finally with that Halo bundle last month, I don't think there's many people left who want it and don't have it.

 

[CrimsonSkies]

"What's up with all the name calling on GAF today?"

People revert to name calling when they lack the skills the properly debate an argument. It is as it has always been .

 

[human5892]

You know why Vice City isn't selling 10k units a month anymore? Because it's sold 6 million units in the US alone. HALO hasn't even sold that amount worldwide.

It seems like BoE owning himself is becoming a daily occurance around here.

As for my take on the matter, I think we'll see a spike in Xbox sales, but nothing too major. As has been said, I don't think too many people who haven't bought the first one yet are interested in Halo 2. Some, certainly, but not a significant number.

And who the hell thinks Halo 2 will sell 5 million copies in under two months in the US? It'd be a huge stretch to do worldwide, let alone in one country.

 

[DarienA]

You're an asshole in need of a prober bitch slap.

Being an asshole is old hat. In need of a proper bitch slap? Get in line.

You're flying off the handle simply because of a man expressing his opinions? I wonder how people like you make it through the day.....

Be's not making a point... Be's owning himself. Remember the history of a poster has alot to do with the responses certain posters get. You people make me laugh when you attempt to jump to the defense of some poor poster you feel like is being unnecessary hatin on. Any hate flying Be's way is long justified. I've made it through 12045 days give or take a few and still counting.

I don't know why I feel like even bothering to explain this I guess I'm feeling nice today... but come on think.... how much has GTA:VC sold..... How much has HALO sold.... even if Halo is STILL selling it's still not anywhere near how much VC sold...

 

[COCKLES]

In honor of Halo 2 release George Bush will probably order Iraq to be renamed 'Bungieville' where it will become a giant Halo theme park. The Iraqis will dress up Disney style as Grunts and Elites.

 

[jedimike]

I don't know why I feel like even bothering to explain this I guess I'm feeling nice today... but come on think.... how much has GTA:VC sold..... How much has HALO sold.... even if Halo is STILL selling it's still not anywhere near how much VC sold...

Once again... BOE's point is valid. The percentage of Halo sales to Xbox owners is greater than the percentage of VC sales to console owners.

Of course Halo hasn't sold as much because it doesn't have 85 million potential customers like VC does. 3+ million copies of Halo sold to 16 million Xbox owners is better than 7+ million copies of VC to 85 million Xbox and/or PS2 owners.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Once again... BOE's point is valid. The percentage of Halo sales to Xbox owners is greater than the percentage of VC sales to console owners.

Of course Halo hasn't sold as much because it doesn't have 85 million potential customers like VC does. 3+ million copies of Halo sold to 16 million Xbox owners is better than 7+ million copies of VC to 85 million Xbox and/or PS2 owners.

BoE's point was that H2 is going to be a bigger selling game than SA, not that it was going to sell to a better percentage of it's console audience. While it might sell to a higher percentage of the audience, do you really think that it's going ot actually outsell SA based on how the previous GTA's have done and how HALO has done?

 

[6.8]

Hey I have a point for you guys : They'll both sell very well.

 

[DarienA]

Once again... BOE's point is valid. The percentage of Halo sales to Xbox owners is greater than the percentage of VC sales to console owners.

Ah now I see where the big beef is.... Be's first sentence is a two parter and I only responded to the 2nd half of the sentence

HALO 2 IMO is bigger than any of sonys big releases,. you dont see vice city selling 10,000 copies a month still....or do you?

"Halo 2 is bigger than any of Sony's releases..." how can Be say that yet? We don't know what HALO 2 sales #'s are going to be.

Is Halo #1's precentage higher than VC's? Yeah of course I didn't realize that was in dispute, but that doesn't change the fact that VC has still sold a shitload more than Halo. Even high selling titles on the PS2 are going to have lower percentages because obviously the higher # in userbase.

 

[psycho_snake]

There is no pont comparing Halo sales to SA sales. I dont like the GTA series and loved the first halo, but SA will sell double if not more than Halo 2. MGS3 is also gonna outsell Halo 2

 

[jedimike]

BoE's point was that H2 is going to be a bigger selling game than SA, not that it was going to sell to a better percentage of it's console audience. While it might sell to a higher percentage of the audience, do you really think that it's going ot actually outsell SA based on how the previous GTA's have done and how HALO has done?

I read it differently... as in Halo is more important to Xbox than SA is to PS2. In keeping with the original topic... Halo is more of a console seller.

Halo's strong sales through the 2 1/2 years show how it is more important than VC which sold all at once and then left the charts.

With the huge PS2 userbase, SA will certainly outsell Halo2, but Halo2 will do more for Xbox than SA will do for PS2.

 

[DarienA]

I read it differently... as in Halo is more important to Xbox than SA is to PS2. In keeping with the original topic... Halo is more of a console seller.

Halo's strong sales through the 2 1/2 years show how it is more important than VC which sold all at once and then left the charts.

With the huge PS2 userbase, SA will certainly outsell Halo2, but Halo2 will do more for Xbox than SA will do for PS2.

It's always interesting when people interpret a sentence differently, I think this has been a good example of it.

Is Halo more important to the Xbox? Of course... at the PS2's current userbase #'s NO one title is going to mean as much to it.... it would be the same situation if the Xbox was up sitting at the PS2's userbase #'s.

 

[BeOnEdge]

#1. That would be because Vice City has already sold millions upon f'n millions you idiot.
#2. Once again we're having this argument that GT4 appeals to the tinkerers more than the arcade racers do... duh. Same genre racing... different sub-genre arcade vs. sim.
#3. The third one is supposedly MGS3 you tool(though I have some doubts about that release date). Here's a hint... try READING all of the posts that precedes yours....

U NEED A BREAK. The xbox triumph is starting to get to you. why do people take all this stuff so seriously? i'm just throwing in my 2 cents. no need to get all uppity and MF this and MF that.

 

[DJ Demon J]

Who thinks Halo 2 will outsell GTA:SA? Cause it won't. End of story.

 

[Hellraizah]

I think that maybe Halo 2 will outsell it for like a month, because there's more hype surrounding Halo 2 than there is for GTA : SA.

 

[AniHawk]

Wow. Big thread. I'll just make my comment here and return to my regularly scheduled programming.

I'm not sure if Halo 2 will move systems as much as people'd like to think. The Xbox is already about guaranteed huge sales like always if they have a bundle (people love their free games). I'm guessing we'll see an increase of about 500,000-800,000 Xboxes sold over the last two years with Halo 2's release. Also would suspect XBL sales to go up (I know I'll be buying a headset). If it does extremely well, then we'll probably see a 1-1.5 million console increase over last year. Depends on MS, but it's not like Halo 2 is the only game coming out this fall either.

 

[Incognito]

I agree with BeOnEdge -- DarienA, you need a break from life. Gosh, so mean and rude. Put the keyboard down, remove the twinkie from your mouth, and go outside where the sun is. Let us know how it works out for you.

 

[Lil' Dice]

I'm pretty sure that GTA:SA will outsell Halo 2, maybe even 2:1, however i'm not receiving royalty checks from neither company so fuck'em both, it's not worth arguing any further.....

 

[Renegade]

Halo 2 will sell Xbox the same way Halo 1 did. Halo 2 introduces a new aspect to the games, is seeing WAY more marketing and has the potential to draw in the Halo PC crowd. It will not do it alone though. I think that Xboxes increased sales later this year will result from not only Microsoft's marketing but the entire lineup, not just Halo 2.

 

[TekunoRobby]

Who thinks Halo 2 will outsell GTA:SA? Cause it won't. End of story.

Comeone it's Grand Theft Auto, of course it's going to sell more. Hell, it even features a urban gangster motif this time around. Something much more accesible to the current market than your typical mafia atmosphere of the previous games.

Does that matter? No not at all, what matters if Halo 2 sells more Xboxen and hopefully it will. The system and game definitely deserve the popularity, if anything I'm positive it will sell more Xbox Live accounts.

 

[dorio]

The question is how are you guys going to prove that Halo2 sold those systems and not "Playboy the Mansion" game.

 

[Goreomedy]

I have to side with those who say it all depends on when Xbox 2 is released.

Any sales potential from Halo 2 (the game itself and pushing Xbox consoles) will have its throat slit once the new console hits store shelves. This sequel will eclipse the original's numbers at launch and over Christmas, by a huge margin of course, but it won't have the same legs.

It's the Majora's Mask syndrome.

 

[JJConrad]

When Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker were released the general consensus on this forum was that those who were most interested in these games probably already own a Gamecube. I don't see how Halo 2 is any different for the Xbox. The game will move systems; not as many as BeOnEdge, jedimike, or CrimsonSkies believe, but more than DarienA does.

I'm not going to try an predict how many units Halo 2 will sell this year. Its too difficult to gauge, especially on the Xbox. There's been too many sequels that have failed to live up to expectations on the system, but none with this much hype. If you twisted my arm and forced a prediction, I'd go with: "It'll sell faster than Halo 1, but it won't surpass it this year."



I also want to thank the members of GAF who have made this thread so much fun to read. This is probably the most amusing thread I've read in weeks. Keep it up!

 

[Spike]

I'm pretty sure that GTA:SA will outsell Halo 2, maybe even 2:1, however i'm not receiving royalty checks from neither company so fuck'em both, it's not worth arguing any further.....

Exactly. I'll be enjoying them both, along with Paper Mario 2, Metroid Prime 2, Fable, and MGS3:SE. I love being a multiconsole owner.

 

[kaching]

The xbox triumph is starting to get to you. why do people take all this stuff so seriously?

Says the guy proclaiming "the xbox triumph" - if you aren't taking this seriously then why are you anthropomorphizing an inanimate object as having struggles it has triumphed over? Not to mention the threads you start just to show us photos of games running on your TV, like a proud papa showing off photos of his kids. You're as much a poster boy for "taking all this stuff so seriously" as any of the rest of us, BOE.

 

[Flatbread]

In a world where Amped 2, Rallisport 2, Project Gotham Racing 2 sold a ridiculous amount lower than their respective non-online prequels. Not that I actually think Halo 2 will bomb like the previously mentioned titles though.. but I'm not entirely sure it's going to do ~3.5 million in the US with the Xbox 2 only a year off.

Although there is some truth in what you say, you are ignoring some important facts.

PGR has had 3 years to build up to that amount of sales, many of those sales are at the bargain price. Give pgr2 3 years and see where its at.

Launch titles have little competition, while pgr 2 got slammed by the EA hit need for speed.

Amped nor rallisport did all that well, in 3 years amped 2 is at 500,000, most of those sales are at the bargain price.

The biggest truth in what you said is that amped 2 and rc2 bombed. PGR 2 is closing in on 400,000, certainly underperforming for most expectations, but given realities Im not surprised by any of these games sales.

Halo 2 is a whole different story, and comparing these titles to sales predictions of halo 2 is not advisable.

 

[JJConrad]

Although there is some truth in what you say, you are ignoring some important facts.

PGR has had 3 years to build up to that amount of sales, many of those sales are at the bargain price. Give pgr2 3 years and see where its at.

Launch titles have little competition, while pgr 2 got slammed by the EA hit need for speed.

Amped nor rallisport did all that well, in 3 years amped 2 is at 500,000, most of those sales are at the bargain price.

The biggest truth in what you said is that amped 2 and rc2 bombed. PGR 2 is closing in on 400,000, certainly underperforming for most expectations, but given realities Im not surprised by any of these games sales.

Halo 2 is a whole different story, and comparing these titles to sales predictions of halo 2 is not advisable.

I'd rather sit back and just read this thread, without getting involved... BUT.....

Halo has also had 3 years to build up its sales, with almost a million of its sales being at "bargain price." It was also a launch title and now has more competition for the new game. How is Halo 2 a different story?

 

[Flatbread]

Does halo 2 have more preorders than GTA SA, MGS 3 and GT4?

Halo 2 will have a tougher time selling more than halo because halo has had 3 years to build up to 4 million world wide.

Halo 2 will easily outpace it though, It will only outsell it if its truly a remarkable game, if its just another good fps it will fall off and not make it.

I think it has a better shot than most here at being the best selling game of 2004 because I dont think gta 4 will make it out this year. Jeez, where is all the screenshots and videos, it didnt even get shown at E3, and now online is dropped. There rushing to make the deadline.

 

[SolidSnakex]

"I dont think gta 4 will make it out this year. Jeez, where is all the screenshots and videos, it didnt even get shown at E3, and now online is dropped. There rushing to make the deadline."

This is the way Rockstar markets GTA. Vice City also didn't have much media early on but then they just start releasing media on a weekly basis when they're ready (it should probably start sometime next month). Also the game NEVER had online play. They've said from before GTAVC was even complete that they'd be going online with GTA4 not with VC or with SA. It was just fanboy rumors and hope that SA would be online, no real facts.

 

[Flatbread]

I'd rather sit back and just read this thread, without getting involved... BUT.....

Halo has also had 3 years to build up its sales, with almost a million of its sales being at "bargain price." It was also a launch title and now has more competition for the new game. How is Halo 2 a different story?

Because it continues to sell, its in the top 10 every month of xbox games. Its a game that made the status of games like GTA, Zelda, Mario, MGS, GT, HL Games that have a huge foundation of popularity. Amped , RSC do not have this kind of following.

 

[Kiriku]

I think it has a better shot than most here at being the best selling game of 2004 because I dont think gta 4 will make it out this year. Jeez, where is all the screenshots and videos, it didnt even get shown at E3, and now online is dropped. There rushing to make the deadline.

Well, they rushed Vice City too and still released it in time, bugs included.

 

[Flatbread]

"I dont think gta 4 will make it out this year. Jeez, where is all the screenshots and videos, it didnt even get shown at E3, and now online is dropped. There rushing to make the deadline."

This is the way Rockstar markets GTA. Vice City also didn't have much media early on but then they just start releasing media on a weekly basis when they're ready (it should probably start sometime next month). Also the game NEVER had online play. They've said from before GTAVC was even complete that they'd be going online with GTA4 not with VC or with SA. It was just fanboy rumors and hope that SA would be online, no real facts.

I read at some gaming site that online would not be on GTA SA and assumed that it must have been planned in the first place. Heh, not surprised to hear this since rumors are rampant in the gaming world. Of course Im just speculating on GTA release, I really have no idea. Im an old gamer who is surprised whenever a game is released on time.

 

[Raxel]

November
USA - 700k
Europe - 300k
Other - 50k

December
USA - 900k
Europe - 400k
Other - 25k

I want to make a point about the MGS3, GT4 and GTA:SA without getting into this sales debate. Are the release dates close enough to cause some form of cannibalization? It happened to MS last year so...

Edit: Oops, didn't notice BOE making the same point earlier

 

[BeOnEdge]

Says the guy proclaiming "the xbox triumph" - if you aren't taking this seriously then why are you anthropomorphizing an inanimate object as having struggles it has triumphed over? Not to mention the threads you start just to show us photos of games running on your TV, like a proud papa showing off photos of his kids. You're as much a poster boy for "taking all this stuff so seriously" as any of the rest of us, BOE.

what does that have to do with getting all angry on a messege board? i take GAMES seriously. my TV is how ienoy my games. getting all fired up over someones opinion is a whole different level.

 

[JohnDoe8865]

I live in a very small town and my local EB already has 150+ pre-orders. More than Madden.

 

[DarienA]

I agree with BeOnEdge -- DarienA, you need a break from life. Gosh, so mean and rude. Put the keyboard down, remove the twinkie from your mouth, and go outside where the sun is. Let us know how it works out for you.

Hahaha this was funny! No wait that wasn't me laughing I just had gas... sorry.

what does that have to do with getting all angry on a messege board? i take GAMES seriously. my TV is how ienoy my games. getting all fired up over someones opinion is a whole different level.

Yeah because you honestly know after the amount of time you've seen me post that I honestly get angry about anything that goes on here....

 

[seismologist]

I live in a very small town and my local EB already has 150+ pre-orders. More than Madden.

Probably because they've been pushing Halo 2 preorders since Madden 2003.


I forgot to mention, the guy at my Gamestop actually told me that if I didn't preorder Halo 2 I wouldn't get my copy until 2005 because MS is releasing it in limited quantities

 

[nitewulf]

this thread made me do this:

 

[Nicco]

I've created a monster.

 

[Insertia]

Will Halo2 push XBox sales this winter? Yes, of course. The same as RE4(if it's released this year) will push Cube's sales or GT4, GTA:SA, and MGS3 will push PS2's sales.

But I don't think it's going to be a large increase. 75% of the Halo2 hype is coming from people that already own an Xbox.

I also don't think Halo2 will outsell Halo1. As Amped2 and PGR2 goes to show, having Xbox Live isn't a selling point. Halo1 performed well because for a long period of time it was the only Xbox game worth picking up and it recieved a lot of spotlight for that.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Halo1 performed well because for a long period of time it was the only Xbox game worth picking up and it recieved a lot of spotlight for that.

I beg to differ. With that reasoning, any multi-million-selling title is 'the only game worth picking up' for that system...obviously that's not the case.

 

[Li Mu Bai]

and anyone who thinks GTA SA, GT 4, MGS 3 won't sell PS2, or anyone who thinks Resident Evil 4, MP Echoes won't sell GC's is doing the same thing

what's your point?

Exactly, many of you believe that Halo2 will be the only software somehow worth purchasing this holiday season for multi-consolers. Or even single console owners for that matter. Here's a reality tip, it isn't. It will sell phenomenally well, but 4-5 million in 2 months? Narcotics abuse is extremely bad for fanboys, I would even venture to say that RE4 would sell more GCs than this title moves X-Boxes. You all heavily disregard the oh, say 22 million+ PS2 installed userbase. GT4, MGS3, GTA:SA, also will be put aside to purchase Halo2. Btw, how many pre-orders did MKDD have last year? It outsold everything else quite handily iirc. No?

 

[Nicco]

Btw, how many pre-orders did MKDD have last year? It outsold everything else quite handily iirc. No?

Actually, Need For Speed: Underground was the king of the holiday season (MKDD did come in second). But your point is still valid because I don't remember any heavy hype for it four months before the fact.