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[paradox121]

My wife told me she was expecting that callback to come, considering "I don't want to go" and "I don't like it" but was kinda disappointed it didn't happen.

Would of been a tad out of place considering that even though he did save Gallifrey there were still bazillions of people who died or were dying up to that point.

Which of course raises the question of when the Doctor does eventually get to Gallifrey just how mucked up it'll be.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

The only thing I wonder about while watching the show is the emphasis on how the Doctor took out the Daleks and the Time Lords in the war, yet Daleks show up everywhere in the series still. Time Lords do not.

Weird.

 

[Fiktion]

The only thing I wonder about while watching the show is the emphasis on how the Doctor took out the Daleks and the Time Lords in the war, yet Daleks show up everywhere in the series still. Time Lords do not.

Weird.

Time Lords are Protoss and Daleks are Zerg. Makes perfect sense if you think about it that way.

 

[Hot Coldman]

The only thing I wonder about while watching the show is the emphasis on how the Doctor took out the Daleks and the Time Lords in the war, yet Daleks show up everywhere in the series still. Time Lords do not.

Weird.

Considering the Moment would have liked wiped out Gallifrey, and many Daleks were still in orbit around Gallifrey, their survival in an extinction event scenario makes a bit more sense.

But yeah, obviously the truth of the matter means it makes even more sense why they'd survive.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

The only thing I wonder about while watching the show is the emphasis on how the Doctor took out the Daleks and the Time Lords in the war, yet Daleks show up everywhere in the series still. Time Lords do not.

Weird.

Well... we can retroactively apply the logic that since it was unlikely every Dalek instantly destroyed in the Galifrey-gone crossfire, it's not bizarre for Daleks to keep popping up in NuWho like Zubats in a cave whilst there's still only 2 Timelords kicking about.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Would of been a tad out of place

Not really. He just saved 2.8 billion children, and their parents.

When originally said it, it's not like someone didn't die that day, either.

Saying "Just for once, everyone lives" would have fit just as well for managing to NOT detonate an entire planet as it would have for saving a farm full of kids.

But either way - one less callback doesn't really damage the show.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Not really. He just saved 2.8 billion children, and their parents.

When originally said it, it's not like someone didn't die that day, either.

Saying "Just for once, everyone lives" would have fit just as well for managing to NOT detonate an entire planet as it would have for saving a farm full of kids.

But either way - one less callback doesn't really damage the show.

He wasn't really sure it would work; in fact, he fully expected it not to. Might have felt a little premature. And they wouldn't exactly "live" but that's splitting hairs.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

He wasn't really sure it would work; in fact, he fully expected it not to. Might have felt a little premature.

Now THAT'S a good counter-argument.

 

[Mariolee]

Not really. He just saved 2.8 billion children, and their parents.

When originally said it, it's not like someone didn't die that day, either.

Saying "Just for once, everyone lives" would have fit just as well for managing to NOT detonate an entire planet as it would have for saving a farm full of kids.

But either way - one less callback doesn't really damage the show.

Well, they didn't even know if it worked at all up until Tom Baker showed up, and at that point there's not really anyone for the Doctor to say that to since it's just Tom Baker and Smith. I guess he could've said it to Clara, but it would've ruined the cool quiet ending they had.

 

[Zeppu]

So, regarding the painting itself. Am I daft into assuming that Gallifrey itself is stuck in the painting?

They don't know where it came from and I'm not fully sure how they managed to get into it to break into the black archive, but everything seems to point to the 'Gallifrey falls no more' statiscube being the place where the actual Gallifrey is hidden.

 

[Mariolee]

So, regarding the painting itself. Am I daft into assuming that Gallifrey itself is stuck in the painting?

They don't know where it came from and I'm not fully sure how they managed to get into it to break into the black archive, but everything seems to point to the 'Gallifrey falls no more' statiscube being the place where the actual Gallifrey is hidden.

That's actually what I thought they were trying to do in the first place.

 

[Jintor]

So, regarding the painting itself. Am I daft into assuming that Gallifrey itself is stuck in the painting?

They don't know where it came from and I'm not fully sure how they managed to get into it to break into the black archive, but everything seems to point to the 'Gallifrey falls no more' statiscube being the place where the actual Gallifrey is hidden.

Exactly what I thought happened.

To be honest I didn't really follow the technobabble of where exactly they put Gallifrey, but whatever, they'll figure it out.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Exactly what I thought happened.

To be honest I didn't really follow the technobabble of where exactly they put Gallifrey, but whatever, they'll figure it out.

I believe they said it would be in a pocket universe (probabaly not unlike the ones that ended pretty much every other season of Moffat Who -- so much for breaking that pattern).

Basically it's inaccessible in the same way as the parallel Cybus Industries universe or the one from Inferno were, except that since there's never been a foray into it, there's no known route to it.

 

[Hot Coldman]

I believe they said it would be in a pocket universe (probabaly not unlike the ones that ended pretty much every other season of Moffat Who -- so much for breaking that pattern).

Basically it's inaccessible in the same way as the parallel Cybus Industries universe or the one from Inferno were, except that since there's never been a foray into it, there's no known route to it.

More importantly, it's been established that the Time Lords knew a thing or two about travelling to different dimensions and universes, so we're probably more likely to see the Time Lords break out of their pocket universe before we see the Doctor break in.

 

[Jintor]

I thought they used an art stasis cube. But actually I guess they just used the TARDIS(es)?

 

[mclem]

More importantly, it's been established that the Time Lords knew a thing or two about travelling to different dimensions and universes, so we're probably more likely to see the Time Lords break out of their pocket universe before we see the Doctor break in.

PleasebeRomana, PleasebeRomana.

 

[Hot Coldman]

PleasebeRomana, PleasebeRomana.

Isn't Leela supposed to be on Gallifrey too? That'd be an interesting comeback, haha

 

[mclem]

Isn't Leela supposed to be on Gallifrey too? That'd be an interesting comeback, haha

In TV canon, Romana actually *isn't* on Gallifrey, but she's generally accepted to have ended up there in the expanded canon, which is good enough for me.

 

[DrForester]

Why couldn't River have ended up being Romana....

 

[infiniteloop]

I thought we might see Romana or Leela in Day of the Doctor.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Day of the Doctor is "Just this once, everybody lives" on a grand scale.

It stopped being 'just this once' awhile ago. 'Everybody lives' is basically the general rule of thumb with Moffat.

 

[infiniteloop]

Yeah, Jenny in Name of the Doctor was ridic.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

More importantly, it's been established that the Time Lords knew a thing or two about travelling to different dimensions and universes, so we're probably more likely to see the Time Lords break out of their pocket universe before we see the Doctor break in.

But they're frozen.

 

[Mariolee]

More importantly, it's been established that the Time Lords knew a thing or two about travelling to different dimensions and universes, so we're probably more likely to see the Time Lords break out of their pocket universe before we see the Doctor break in.

But they can't because wherever Gallifrey is, it's frozen in time, yeah? They can't go anywhere because they can't move.

Edit: Great minds think alike.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Yeah, Jenny in Name of the Doctor was ridic.

Unbelievable revival pending a possible spin-off... sounds familiar.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I thought they used an art stasis cube. But actually I guess they just used the TARDIS(es)?

It was the Tardises in conjunction with the cube. 11 had it in his tardis and it was making scifi noises.

 

[Hot Coldman]

But they're frozen.

Fuck. I forgot that bit.

 

[GameplayWhore]

But they're frozen.

I was about to post the same thing. Then again, it could always be that they get "frozen" like Melody did during the TARDIS explosion, in a loop. Remember that the picture that the Doctors jumped out of had back and forth motion in time (with the Dalek un-exploding before they screwdrivered it to death).

Heck, for that matter, the Zygons were totally able to move from within the paintings to break out.

 

[odiin]

So the Monday screening of Day of the Doctor grossed almost $5 million in the U.S. coming in second only to Catching Fire

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/11/26/doctor-who-box-office/

 

[infiniteloop]

Nice, cinema I was had sold out all the screens. Glad it has been such a success.

 

[PaulloDEC]

So the Monday screening of Day of the Doctor grossed almost $5 million in the U.S. coming in second only to Catching Fire

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/11/26/doctor-who-box-office/

Wow, so we're looking at nearly 8 million dollars in ticket sales between the UK and the US? That's pretty impressive for a show that we were all given ample opportunity to see for free.

 

[mclem]

Wow, so we're looking at nearly 8 million dollars in ticket sales between the UK and the US? That's pretty impressive for a show that we were all given ample opportunity to see for free.

At the 40th Anniversary, I believe we'd *just* heard that the show was coming back. I'm trying to think how I'd react had I been told that in ten years - ten short years - the show would go from, well, Timelash and Dimensions in Time to a global phenomenon with impressive ratings, cinema screenings of the 50th anniversary special, huge box office sellout not just in the UK but across the US as well, and John Hurt actually in the show.

 

[PaulloDEC]

At the 40th Anniversary, I believe we'd *just* heard that the show was coming back. I'm trying to think how I'd react had I been told that in ten years - ten short years - the show would go from, well, Timelash and Dimensions in Time to a global phenomenon with impressive ratings, cinema screenings of the 50th anniversary special, huge box office sellout not just in the UK but across the US as well, and John Hurt actually in the show.

Hard to believe, isn't it? I wore my 40th Anniversary badge (got it in the Three Doctors DVD box I think) to the cinema screening, and it got me thinking about how much has happened in the last ten years. It's basically at the global phenomenon stage right now, and is probably bigger now than it ever was during the original run. I'm not sure there's a precedent for that sort of thing.

 

[mclem]

It's basically at the global phenomenon stage right now, and is probably bigger now than it ever was during the original run. I'm not sure there's a precedent for that sort of thing.

Oh, there's precedent. Kind of.

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. "

 

[Pikawil]

Day of the Doctor is "Just this once, everybody lives" on a grand scale.

Except the Daleks who crossfired each other.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Except the Daleks who crossfired each other.

And that poor, poor Zygon Eliz--

Hold up, how the hell does the Doctor remember that he married Elizabeth? I mean, he knows that they were engaged (and, in his mind, simply as part of a ruse), but his next memory should be from well after the actual wedding.

 

[Exterminieren]

I think that a proper movie for theatres is absolutely inevitable now. There'll be forces within the BBC absolutely screaming for it off the back of these figures.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

And that poor, poor Zygon Eliz--

Hold up, how the hell does the Doctor remember that he married Elizabeth? I mean, he knows that they were engaged (and, in his mind, simply as part of a ruse), but his next memory should be from well after the actual wedding.

That's...a very good question. Given how fuzzy 11's memories were of the whole thing, I'm not sure how he could have remembered that specific detail.

 

[border]

Oh, there's precedent. Kind of.

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. "

I think he means it's unprecedented that a franchise or intellectual property that has existed in relative obscurity for decades could suddenly become a worldwide phenomenon. Star Wars was an original new franchise that blew up, rather than a series of films or TV shows dating back to the 60's.

I guess you could argue that Iron Man accomplished something similar to Doctor Who.

 

[equippedwithtowel]

I think that a proper movie for theatres is absolutely inevitable now. There'll be forces within the BBC absolutely screaming for it off the back of these figures.

If it's still in the Gallifrey arc it better fucking have Timothy Dalton.

Dalton vs. Capaldi would be amazing.

 

[Mariolee]

And that poor, poor Zygon Eliz--

Hold up, how the hell does the Doctor remember that he married Elizabeth? I mean, he knows that they were engaged (and, in his mind, simply as part of a ruse), but his next memory should be from well after the actual wedding.

They remember some things, like how 11 remembered the fez, but for the most part do not.

 

[Jintor]

That reminds me, I'm still annoyed that something like 95% of River's run was Alex Kingston. I like her, but I had visions of River as 'this character you'd never seen before!' etc etc for a couple of seasons. I guess Moffat just really wanted to wrap that arc asap.

Even though she's a time traveller working about it non-linearly she was only 'redeemed' during the Professor Song regeneration too so there's less chance of just randomly running into her across time and space. Sigh.

 

[Haly]

He might've went back to Elizabeth after finishing what he needed to do in DotD.

 

[Link]

Unbelievable revival pending a possible spin-off... sounds familiar.

At least with Jack they stuck with the concept and made it a major part of his character.

 

[gabbo]

At least with Jack they stuck with the concept and made it a major part of his character.

Jack was also much more than a throw away character when he was killed.

 

[Showaddy]

Speaking of River Song will Capaldi's Doctor be the amaze-balls one she kept going on about?

 

[border]

Now that he's been mentioned, it does seem odd that Captain Jack wasn't in this at all beyond a single reference. Was John Barrowman unavailable?

And the footage of Christopher Eccleston was just re-used from Series 1, right?

 

[CryptiK]

Now that he's been mentioned, it does seem odd that Captain Jack wasn't in this at all beyond a single reference. Was John Barrowman unavailable?

And the footage of Christopher Eccleston was just re-used from Series 1, right?

Jack hasnt been seen since the Tenth Doctor.

 

[Gully State]

Spoilers- You Know Who's Scene

What a brilliant cameo..

 

[catabarez]

Jack hasnt been seen since the Tenth Doctor.

Don't remind me.