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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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APZonerunner said:
I think a chunk of it is to do with him having an idea for an episode without the Doctor (Elton and the LINDA stuff) and then having to marry that to the creature designed by the 9 year old kid for the Blue Peter competition. It wasn't just the design the kid birthed, it was the ability, too, so I'm sure that was difficult.
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I had no idea it was a Blue Peter monster. I can't even imagine what I'd do if one of my ideas ever A) got on the show period, and B) got to be a major part of the show.

Also, I guess that means the Christmas Special is an hour long, same as last year. People really do hate the slot though. All upset about how BBC treats the show, etc.
 
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Hot Coldman said:
5:30?! Fuck off Beeb, it's not 1963 any more: give your greatest and most successful show the greatest timeslot.
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I dunno why all the major channels have deferred to sticking the same line up year after year. I mean, how many times have Strictly, Doctor Who, and Call the Midwife been the main Christmas day shows? Maybe it's always been the case and I was just too young to notice.

EDIT: Just looked it up and Doctor Who was on at 5.15 last year? I really don't remember it being that early. I guess it didn't affect the ratings too badly.
 
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Future Foundation said:
I had no idea it was a Blue Peter monster. I can't even imagine what I'd do if one of my ideas ever A) got on the show period, and B) got to be a major part of the show.

Also, I guess that means the Christmas Special is an hour long, same as last year. People really do hate the slot though. All upset about how BBC treats the show, etc.
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I dunno why all the major channels have deferred to sticking the same line up year after year. I mean, how many times have Strictly, Doctor Who, and Call the Midwife been the main Christmas day shows? Maybe it's always been the case and I was just too young to notice.

EDIT: Just looked it up and Doctor Who was on at 5.15 last year? I really don't remember it being that early last year. I guess it didn't affect the ratings too badly.
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It's justified irritation. The Next Doctor broadcast at 7pm and managed an overnight rating of a million more than The Day of the Doctor (approaching 12m), for instance. The End of Time Part One went out at 6, I think, and that managed 10.2 million overnight. Christmas day is a big deal. With its 5:15 broadcast time, The Snowmen managed 7.5m. It's a shame. Deserves a later time slot. There's drastic timeshifts (like The Snowmen hits 10m once it's had its timeshift), but it still sucks - especially because the others still god a solid timeshift too and get a bump of a million or two.
 
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Hot Coldman

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I find it disrespectful that they'd give Strictly the better timeslot, considering a) it's Matt Smith's final episode and b) the 50th just proved how enormous the audience still is.

That episode should be a ratings juggernaut, given the right timeslot. It's idiocy and ignorance on part of the BBC One controllers. Just put Midwife on on Christmas Eve ffs.
 
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The problem is, they've got an awful lot to cram in. Strictly's a given on Christmas day - it's cheap and fits nicely against Corrie on the other side, offering a choice without sacrificing anything too worthwhile. Eastenders isn't going to move, too many soap fans. Once those two are slotted in, it gets rather difficult to fit stuff around it. Call the Midwife is perhaps the best bet to move, since the Christmas day episode last year didn't set the world alight like the main series did, but it's a worthy drama that's quite good for promoting the corporation's image.

Maybe Strictly swapping with Who would be good, but I suspect that'll lead Who into the path of Corrie, and that's iffy.
 
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We'd have to get another Voyage of the Damned, I suppose. For a better time slot, I mean. A lot of people don't realize this but a huge reason that episode is how it is comes down to time slots - the BBC asked RTD if he thought he could have an episode to fill the 'blockbuster movie' slot of that year, where they usually show a big Hollywood movie for the first time on TV. Voyage was his answer to that, which is why it's tonally quite different to regular Who, and why it was so populist (and still the highest-rated episode).
 
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Hot Coldman

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mclem said:
The problem is, they've got an awful lot to cram in. Strictly's a given on Christmas day - it's cheap and fits nicely against Corrie on the other side, offering a choice without sacrificing anything too worthwhile. Eastenders isn't going to move, too many soap fans. Once those two are slotted in, it gets rather difficult to fit stuff around it. Call the Midwife is perhaps the best bet to move, since the Christmas day episode last year didn't set the world alight like the main series did, but it's a worthy drama that's quite good for promoting the corporation's image.

Maybe Strictly swapping with Who would be good, but I suspect that'll lead Who into the path of Corrie, and that's iffy.
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Here's what they need to do:

  • Move "Call the Midwife" to Christmas Eve. It can have the exact same timeslot, or even a better one at 8: just move it. It's not THAT popular. The Beeb just thinks they need a "Downton killer", but realistically Who can do that easily this year. (Plus Downton's losing momentum anyway, whilst Who has just regained a fuckload of the stuff.)
  • Shift everything up an hour. Strictly at 7:45, Who at 6:45.
  • Eastenders stays put. Who, Strictly and Eastenders are the essentials. Everything benefits from this shift.
  • If the timeslot gets awkward, give Strictly an extra 15 minutes so Who can go on at 6:30 and let the Open All Hours castration go out at a tidier 6pm too.
  • This leaves an hour at 5-6/6:15pm. Considering a lot of people probably eat at this time, it literally doesn't matter what goes on now. Maybe bribe Robert Lindsay to do another My Family special or some fucking garbage.
  • Cancel Mrs Brown's Boy. Doesn't mean anything for Who, it's just an awful show.

I am 100% confident that Strictly - currently doing pretty fucking well in the ratings -, Who - Matt Smith's final episode, plus coming off of the immense hype and satisfaction for the 50th - and Eastenders in a row will slay all comers with fucking ease.
 
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Hot Coldman said:
I find it disrespectful that they'd give Strictly the better timeslot, considering a) it's Matt Smith's final episode and b) the 50th just proved how enormous the audience still is.

That episode should be a ratings juggernaut, given the right timeslot. It's idiocy and ignorance on part of the BBC One controllers. Just put Midwife on on Christmas Eve ffs.
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oh my good dancing celebritys what BRILLIANT tv viewing this is.

i hope the fat one wins!!!
 
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RobotNinjaHornets said:
I wish Strictly Come Dancing didn't exist
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I'd rather Mrs Browns Boys didn't. Not that it would help scheduling, I just wish it didn't exist.

Looking at the schedule again I guess it's as good as we were ever going to get. Maybe slotting something in for another half hour at 5.30 and pushing Doctor Who to 6 would've been nice but...Christmas Day is such a weird TV war over here. Weirdly it only seems to be getting worse in spite of having stuff like iPlayer.

Speaking of which, iPlayer being included in the final figures should definitely help Doctor Who this year, and in general. Consistently the most watched program on there.
 
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paradox121 said:
I'd rather Mrs Browns Boys didn't. Not that it would help scheduling, I just wish it didn't exist.
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Well that too, but my family (save my nan) all hate it.

Strictly Come Dancing on the other hand my entire family watches. Plus, it's annoyingly long, even with them fastforwarding through all the Bruce Forsyth shite.
 
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BobbyRoberts said:
Season Five really is a great jumping on point. Kind of a perfect storm: Awareness was building and building in America throughout Tennant's run. Then "The Eleventh Hour" drops and it's super-accessible, it LOOKS great, it's got a wonderful score, and it manages to sum up why the Doctor is so goddamned FUN to watch, all in less than an hour.

Season Five ended up being the best of Smith's run, and likely the best overall season of New Who, period. So it's hard to argue against just hopping on there, and moving backwards/forwards once you've got a decent idea how this show actually works.
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The Eleventh Hour is the perfect Doctor Who episode.
 
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BobbyRoberts said:
Then "The Eleventh Hour" drops and it's super-accessible, it LOOKS great, it's got a wonderful score, and it manages to sum up why the Doctor is so goddamned FUN to watch, all in less than an hour.
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The combination of that first long shot of Amelia's yard going all the way to the front of her house with the Murray Gold score was so good.
 
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BobbyRoberts said:
Season Five really is a great jumping on point. Kind of a perfect storm: Awareness was building and building in America throughout Tennant's run. Then "The Eleventh Hour" drops and it's super-accessible, it LOOKS great, it's got a wonderful score, and it manages to sum up why the Doctor is so goddamned FUN to watch, all in less than an hour.

Season Five ended up being the best of Smith's run, and likely the best overall season of New Who, period. So it's hard to argue against just hopping on there, and moving backwards/forwards once you've got a decent idea how this show actually works.
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Definitely a huge upgrade over the RTD era, but I'd say Prisoner Zero was the one weak point of the episode. Doctor Who has always been MUCH better with practical creature effects than with CGI monsters.
 
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Overall I'd probably rate the RTD a Moffat eras as equal from a stoytelling and character standpoint. I still love the show just as much as 2005.
 
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paradox121 said:
I'd rather Mrs Browns Boys didn't. Not that it would help scheduling, I just wish it didn't exist.
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And I'm really glad it does. My guilty pleasure; I would gladly watch it over any of that bar Who. Ripping David Jason out of retirement and dancing on Ronnie Barker's grave is far more offensive to me. I realise that makes me some sort of dumbass pariah, but at least I'm not a boring fucker who watches C-list celebrities fail to do the Charleston.
 
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I'm thinking of doing a condensed rewatch of 11's run before Christmas. Only plot arc heavy/good episodes. Off the top of my head something like,

Eleventh Hour (Obvs)
Angels 2 parter (It's good, and lots of River/cracks info)
(Maybe) Vampires of Venice (I like it, and it introduces Rory as a companion)
Amy's Choice (So good, and just in case the Valeyard shows up I guess he could be connected to the Dream Lord somehow)
Vincent and the Doctor (Pretty much no arc plot, but so damn good)
The Lodger (Good episode, and introduces a Silence pseudo-TARDIS)
Pandorica Opens/Big Bang (Romans, River, exploding TARDIS)

Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon (Silence introduced, and a good episode)
The Doctor's Wife (Episode of the forever)
AGMGTW/Let's Kill Hitler (Yeah not the most amazing episodes but pretty important for the plot)
The Girl Who Waited (Pretty good episode)
The God Complex (Even better episode)
The Wedding of River Song (It's a bit of a mess but I like it, and obviously plot heavy)

Asylum of the Daleks (Moffat back at his bestish. Plus Clara 1.0)
The Angels Take Manhattan (Dumb ending aside, it's pretty good, and the end of Rory and Amy)
The Snowmen (It's alright I guess. Plus introduces Clara 2.0 and the GI)
Bells of St. John (Introduces Clara 3.0, more GI)
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS (I really liked this one)
Name of the Doctor (Judging by the previews for Xmas, gonna be preeeetty important. And also it's good)

Day of the Doctor (Probably doesn't relate to 11's overall plot much but it's awesome)

Shit that's like 24 episodes, some of which are extra long ones. I should probably start. Or I could do it like an advent calendar I guess. Start on Sunday and do one each day of December until Christmas.
 
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I don't know where they got them, but this site has posted the previously released Time of the Doctor spoilers, this time with two pictures I've not seen before - one of the TARDIS and the silhouettes of Matt & Jenna in 'Christmas Town', and the other of Capaldi on the TARDIS set in what appears to be Matt's clothes from Christmas (sans coat). They're extremely small and blurry, and the Capaldi one I'd be inclined to call out as suspect, but it looks as though that and the definitely real Christmas Town shot have come from the same source. Plus, that isn't Matt's usual waistcoat - it's the one that was only just shown this week with the first promo image from the episode. So, er... yeah. What on earth is going on in Cardiff?

The site (here be spoilers!):
http://doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/11/27/huge-spoilers-entire-plot-of-the-time-of-the-doctor-leaked/

The images:
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/capaldi7.jpg
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/christmas_town.jpg
 
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StalkerUKCG said:
Dude you spelt "The Doctor's Wife" wrong
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Episodes like Blink and The Doctor's Wife are fantastic, but also a little off the beaten path - the former being doctor-lite, the latter very steeped in nostalgia. I hold up The Eleventh Hour as a "perfect episode" because it's more of a typical adventure story that's more representative of the show, though extremely well-executed and completely accessible to basically anyone.

It also had to juggle a LOT of things - establish a new doctor, new companion, new look for the show - in following RTD/Tennant's hugely successful footsteps AND still tell it's own story. The fact that it can do all of that, and do it so well, still impresses me.
 
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APZonerunner said:
I don't know where they got them, but this site has posted the previously released Time of the Doctor spoilers, this time with two pictures I've not seen before - one of the TARDIS and the silhouettes of Matt & Jenna in 'Christmas Town', and the other of Capaldi on the TARDIS set in what appears to be Matt's clothes from Christmas (sans coat). They're extremely small and blurry, and the Capaldi one I'd be inclined to call out as suspect, but it looks as though that and the definitely real Christmas Town shot have come from the same source. Plus, that isn't Matt's usual waistcoat - it's the one that was only just shown this week with the first promo image from the episode. So, er... yeah. What on earth is going on in Cardiff?

The site (here be spoilers!):
http://doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/11/27/huge-spoilers-entire-plot-of-the-time-of-the-doctor-leaked/

The images:
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/capaldi7.jpg
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/christmas_town.jpg
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The Capaldi one has already been confirmed as shopped.
 
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APZonerunner said:
I don't know where they got them, but this site has posted the previously released Time of the Doctor spoilers, this time with two pictures I've not seen before - one of the TARDIS and the silhouettes of Matt & Jenna in 'Christmas Town', and the other of Capaldi on the TARDIS set in what appears to be Matt's clothes from Christmas (sans coat). They're extremely small and blurry, and the Capaldi one I'd be inclined to call out as suspect, but it looks as though that and the definitely real Christmas Town shot have come from the same source. Plus, that isn't Matt's usual waistcoat - it's the one that was only just shown this week with the first promo image from the episode. So, er... yeah. What on earth is going on in Cardiff?

The site (here be spoilers!):
http://doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/11/27/huge-spoilers-entire-plot-of-the-time-of-the-doctor-leaked/

The images:
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/capaldi7.jpg
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/christmas_town.jpg
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Fucks sake, are they handing out DVDs on Welsh street corners at this point?
 
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Apparently this is from the Facebook page.
 
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Slowdive

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APZonerunner said:
I don't know where they got them, but this site has posted the previously released Time of the Doctor spoilers, this time with two pictures I've not seen before - one of the TARDIS and the silhouettes of Matt & Jenna in 'Christmas Town', and the other of Capaldi on the TARDIS set in what appears to be Matt's clothes from Christmas (sans coat). They're extremely small and blurry, and the Capaldi one I'd be inclined to call out as suspect, but it looks as though that and the definitely real Christmas Town shot have come from the same source. Plus, that isn't Matt's usual waistcoat - it's the one that was only just shown this week with the first promo image from the episode. So, er... yeah. What on earth is going on in Cardiff?

The site (here be spoilers!):
http://doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/11/27/huge-spoilers-entire-plot-of-the-time-of-the-doctor-leaked/

The images:
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/capaldi7.jpg
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/christmas_town.jpg
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Like Quick Mustard said, the first picture is shopped, there's some other ones floating around of different angles. The second one is from this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpL4E6hVI8
 
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bengraven said:
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Apparently this is from the Facebook page.
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Not that I can see...! They're still posting bits about Day of the Doctor as far as I can see on both the BBC America and Doctor Who FB pages...? It's fairly unlikely they'll release an image of Capaldi like that before he actually starts (in January) as the costume might change before they film, and if Capaldi/Moffat is to be believed it hasn't been 100% picked yet. Matt's costume was only locked down 4 days before he went on set to film The Time of Angels!

To the above -- ah, fair enough. I hadn't seen them before! Like I say, though, I'd love to know what it's shopped from. Awful quality, obviously, but rather convincing all the same mostly due to the clothes thing.

Watch looks lovely, though would be better if the strap was just plain blue.
 
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munchie64 said:
*Nit-pick mode activate* actually The Eleventh Hour is a little over an hour.
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Yeah, but it FELT faster than that ;)

(thanks for the correction)

edit: Regarding the Valeyard - that was never on the table, was it? That's not a character you can recast. He's only got the ONE incarnation, and that's used in Trial of a Time-Lord. Basically - we know what he looks like. You can't change that without changing the very nature of what that character is. Also, considering he's supposed to be the incarnation between the penultimate and ultimate regenerations - we're past him, now, right?
 
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StalkerUKCG

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The could absolutely still do a Valeyard story. He could have been planning behind the scenes. Just because he comes about between 12 and 13 dosn't mean that that's when he has an effect on the doctors timeline.

Also, lets have BC in the role.
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StalkerUKCG said:
The could absolutely still do a Valeyard story. He could have been planning behind the scenes. Just because he comes about between 12 and 13 dosn't mean that that's when he has an effect on the doctors timeline.

Also, lets have BC in the role.
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Cumberbatch as anything but the Master is a waste.
 
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Blader

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The Valeyard is Ten on his Waters of Mars power trip.

Or alternatively, the Dream Lord, created in the TARDIS during the Ten -> Eleven regeneration.
 
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APZonerunner said:
I don't know where they got them, but this site has posted the previously released Time of the Doctor spoilers, this time with two pictures I've not seen before - one of the TARDIS and the silhouettes of Matt & Jenna in 'Christmas Town', and the other of Capaldi on the TARDIS set in what appears to be Matt's clothes from Christmas (sans coat). They're extremely small and blurry, and the Capaldi one I'd be inclined to call out as suspect, but it looks as though that and the definitely real Christmas Town shot have come from the same source. Plus, that isn't Matt's usual waistcoat - it's the one that was only just shown this week with the first promo image from the episode. So, er... yeah. What on earth is going on in Cardiff?

The site (here be spoilers!):
http://doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/11/27/huge-spoilers-entire-plot-of-the-time-of-the-doctor-leaked/

The images:
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/capaldi7.jpg
http://doctorwhoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/christmas_town.jpg
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the hell? Moffat just said screw it and sent out spoilers before hand?
 
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Blader said:
The Valeyard is Ten on his Waters of Mars power trip.

Or alternatively, the Dream Lord, created in the TARDIS during the Ten -> Eleven regeneration.
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The Dream Lord was "awoken" by specks of Psychic Pollen from the Candle Meadows of Karass Don Slava that had become stuck in the time rotor of the Doctor's TARDIS console.


The Dream Lord didnt come from the Regeneration at all, unless TARIDS Wikia is wrong! :)
 
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Quick Mustard said:
The Dream Lord was "awoken" by specks of Psychic Pollen from the Candle Meadows of Karass Don Slava that had become stuck in the time rotor of the Doctor's TARDIS console.


The Dream Lord didnt come from the Regeneration at all, unless TARIDS Wikia is wrong! :)
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I guess it's been a long time since I've watched Amy's Choice because absolutely none of that rings a bell :lol
 
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