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[Hot Coldman]

This has already been addressed above, but RTD's rather crass old example is still the best one - if he's killed instantly, he's dead. If he gets shot in the head, that's it, game over. We now actually have an example of that, I suppose, in The Impossible Astronaut. Even if faked.

That's also why when he gets shot by the Dalek in The Stolen Earth it's a glancing shot, as a dead-on shot would've killed him dead.

I think the key thing is that the regeneration process isn't interrupted or impeded. and that means don't fuck with the brain. Massive blunt trauma (such as Cass' ship crashing) would probably destroy the brain, making it impossible to trigger regeneration, as would suffocation. A shot to the head could actually be survived if the bullet managed to miss the brain, I reckon. Plus things like the Dalek lasers or River Song's weapon don't seem to be localised, so frankly I could see the Doctor surviving a single shot from a Dalek every single time, glancing or not. Of course, the Dalek can always fire again.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I think the key thing is that the regeneration process isn't interrupted or impeded. and that means don't fuck with the brain. Massive blunt trauma (such as Cass' ship crashing) would probably destroy the brain, making it impossible to trigger regeneration, as would suffocation. A shot to the head could actually be survived if the bullet managed to miss the brain, I reckon. Plus things like the Dalek lasers or River Song's weapon don't seem to be localised, so frankly I could see the Doctor surviving a single shot from a Dalek every single time, glancing or not. Of course, the Dalek can always fire again.

Haven't the Dalek weapons sometimes seen to disintegrate? No regenerating from that!

Watching The Science of Doctor Who; lol at the "Impossible" Swear Jar... that thing must be full to the brim after Series 7

 

[Hot Coldman]

Um, I just meant the NuWho Dalek lasers. Obviously disintergration is an insta-kill, I completely forgot about that. :lol

Oh, I bet the plunger is an instakill on Time Lords too, for whatever that's worth.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Um, I just meant the NuWho Dalek lasers. Obviously disintergration is an insta-kill, I completely forgot about that. :lol

Oh, I bet the plunger is an instakill on Time Lords too, for whatever that's worth.

How do we assume that works? Creates a vacuum with no air, thus insta-death?

 

[Quick Mustard]

Haven't the Dalek weapons sometimes seen to disintegrate? No regenerating from that!

Watching The Science of Doctor Who; lol at the "Impossible" Swear Jar... that thing must be full to the brim after Series 7

Thats a naughty word, MasterBalls

 

[Hot Coldman]

How do we assume that works? Creates a vacuum with no air, thus insta-death?

Something like that. Seems to be able to extract information from the brain too, as per Doomsday, plus massive heat outpur to boot.

 

[Zeppu]

 

[bengraven]

That's awesome.

Can't even describe how happy I was to see McGann again, listening to the audios was what got me into Who in the first place.

8 really is the best Doctor. None of this 'I don't want to go ' nonsense, McGann just grabs himself a goblet and goes out like a boss.

I was wondering how fans of the radio drama liked it.

It kind of made me sad to realize that you guys were basically seeing the death of the doctor you've been listening to.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Well, that explains it. Such a shame they're basically written out of canon simply because of an issue of rights. Ah well, to be fair they weren't the greatest of companions and Chang Lee especially was kind of grating.

Grace Holloway appears in a few comics actually.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Grace Holloway appears in a few comics actually.

It's weird. I guess it explains why we got a 0.5 second glimpse of The Eighth Doctor in an unrecognized scene in The Name of the Doctor whereas the other Doctors got Clara superimposed over old footage.

Also, the 2009 (?) Doctor Who Special of Never Mind the Buzzcocks is up on iPlayer if anybody's interested

Obligatory;

 

[Ein Bear]

I was wondering how fans of the radio drama liked it.

It kind of made me sad to realize that you guys were basically seeing the death of the doctor you've been listening to.

I really liked that we got to see him 'die'. All of 8's stuff has always loosely been in-continuity, but actually filming a proper send-off for him (complete with name-checking characters from the audios!) really felt like it 'legitimised' everything McGann has done over the years.

Was one of the best possible things they could have done for the 50th IMO.

 

[Quick Mustard]

It's weird. I guess it explains why we got a 0.5 second glimpse of The Eighth Doctor in an unrecognized scene in The Name of the Doctor whereas the other Doctors got Clara superimposed over old footage.

Also, the 2009 (?) Doctor Who Special of Never Mind the Buzzcocks is up on iPlayer if anybody's interested

Obligatory;

That followed Brian Cos's show last night.

Never gets old watching it and Cribbins is amazing, lol

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

That followed Brian Cos's show last night.

Never gets old watching it and Cribbins is amazing, lol

Aha Noel Fielding "Bernard dyou wanna come and write for Boosh...?"

 

[Hot Coldman]

Catherine was drunk as fuck on that show. "It's like a horn or somethin' innit?"

 

[Slowdive]

I love that Buzzcocks episode so much. "I'M GOING TO ASK THE TARDIS!"

 

[paradox121]

Catherine was drunk as fuck on that show. "It's like a horn or somethin' innit?"

Im pretty sure she's teetotal right?

Which makes it all the better. It's hilarious that she simultaneously loved being on Doctor Who and had zero clue what the hell anything was. She's the best.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Tate was the most pleasant surprise of New Who.

Spoiler

Hope the rumored return is true.

 

[APZonerunner]

I really liked that we got to see him 'die'. All of 8's stuff has always loosely been in-continuity, but actually filming a proper send-off for him (complete with name-checking characters from the audios!) really felt like it 'legitimised' everything McGann has done over the years.

Was one of the best possible things they could have done for the 50th IMO.

I think the coolest/weridest/most interesting thing is really that McGann had more time to develop his Doctor than any other on the show ever. All those audios and the lack of much established clearly on screen gave him absolute power to craft his version of the character how he wanted. What's more, the Big Finish audios themselves changed in structure, too, learning and growing from New Who. Lucie is a Rose clone (she is, to be clear, very different in many ways, but is absolutely cut from the same 'council estate blonde' cloth, right down to using an actress they considered for Rose before Billie blew them away in audition), a reaction to the success of that character, basically, but how much did that series and that style benefit from her being so? His Doctor grew THROUGH New Who, as well. He's the only one that in that sense really transcended both sides developmentally and stylisically, as the the audios for 4-7 all follow the old-school style. I think that's why his performance in a scant seven minutes was so powerful - it was years of off-screen, voice-only development pouring out.

There is one other good/lovely thing about all this - I think this guarantees Moffat'll ask Nick Briggs - Dalek voice, and the key writer/producer on Big Finish stuff - to do a story. RTD once said not asking Briggs to do an episode (because he's not typically a TV writer) was his #1 regret, but after legitimizing all his work on the 8th Moffat surely must invite him in to write for 12.

 

[Slowdive]

The BBC have released a handy guide to all the specials happening over the coming week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01l1z04/profiles/dw50

Live from London’s Southbank, Zoe Ball and Rick Edwards will get the afterparty started on BBC Three, as they are joined by Matt Smith and guests to discuss the Doctor’s most epic adventure yet.

As soon as titles roll on BBC One’s ‘The Day of the Doctor’ , viewers can join the current Doctor himself, as well as a host of previous Doctors and their time travelling companions in the ultimate celebration of 50 years of Doctor Who on BBC Three.

As well as all the gossip on the ‘The Day of the Doctor’ there will be exclusive interviews, show-stopping monster moments and fans around the world will be giving their reaction, as they showcase how they are celebrating the special anniversary.

One Direction will also be joining the party as they gate-crash the show live from LA to wish the Doctor a happy birthday.

Zai Bennett, Controller, BBC Three, said, ‘The 50th anniversary is going to be a huge party for Doctor Who and we’re delighted that BBC Three will be able to give the fans all the backstage access to the stars at the hottest ticket in town.’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Doctor-Who-Live-The-Afterparty

Matt Smith and Jenna Coleman celebrate the 50th anniversary of the space-travelling Time Lord and take an in-depth look at of one of the most intriguing fictional characters of all time.

With the 50th anniversary episode, The Day of the Doctor, about to hit our screens there's a look at all 11 incarnations of the Doctor and their most famous scenes and storylines, an exploration of the many sides to the Doctor and asking what is he really like. Plus, a look at The Doctor's many travelling companions and adversaries over the years and how they all contribute to creating the longest running sci-fi show of all time.

Featuring David Tennant, Paul McGann, Sylvester McCoy, Noel Clarke, Rick Edwards, Konnie Huq, McFly, Joel Dommett and many more, it's the best preparation possible for the 50th anniversary episode.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03jgj2d

There's going to be some specially written Doctor and Clara scenes for this.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I really liked that we got to see him 'die'. All of 8's stuff has always loosely been in-continuity, but actually filming a proper send-off for him (complete with name-checking characters from the audios!) really felt like it 'legitimised' everything McGann has done over the years.

Was one of the best possible things they could have done for the 50th IMO.

I'm with this.

Also, for those still curious about the Eighth Adventures: Lucie Miller is basically a combination of Jackie Tyler and Donna Noble. I mean, she very obviously becomes her own character (and a great companion as played by Sheridan Smith) but that was my vibe initially, which I thought was pretty entertaining.

edit: AP, you thought she was a Rose clone? I found her WAY closer to Donna than anything. She's not attracted to the Doctor, she flicks him shit constantly, and doesn't buy into his bullshit when he tries to put it past her. Lucie Miller keeps her Doctor more honest than most companions.

 

[APZonerunner]

I'm with this.

Also, for those still curious about the Eighth Adventures: Lucie Miller is basically a combination of Jackie Tyler and Donna Noble. I mean, she very obviously becomes her own character (and a great companion as played by Sheridan Smith) but that was my vibe initially, which I thought was pretty entertaining.

edit: AP, you thought she was a Rose clone? I found her WAY closer to Donna than anything. She's not attracted to the Doctor, she flicks him shit constantly, and doesn't buy into his bullshit when he tries to put it past her. Lucie Miller keeps her Doctor more honest than most companions.

Well, clone perhaps is an unfair word. I've edited that post a bit. She's a reaction to Rose, though, absolutely. She's cut from New Who companion cloth, per se, and that at the time was ultimately Rose cloth. Amy did a lot, I think, but like it or not Rose is the new Sarah and the new barometer by which most others will be measured. She's a different character in a lot of ways, of course, but she's from that lineage. I don't think it's a mistake they got Sheridan, either, who was pretty high on the shortlist of actresses for Rose in 2004. Briggs and Lyon and the like were privy to that sort of information. They were trying to evoke that, because when they created her she was the holy grail. She's sharper, she's stronger, and she does stuff they wouldn't do on TV, but she's absolutely from that cast.

 

[Htown]

so

that was kind of my first exposure to McGann as the Doctor, having not seen anything besides NuWho and a few of the old old serials.

Where would one go to hear these audio dramas or see his movie?

 

[Slowdive]

There is one other good/lovely thing about all this - I think this guarantees Moffat'll ask Nick Briggs - Dalek voice, and the key writer/producer on Big Finish stuff - to do a story. RTD once said not asking Briggs to do an episode (because he's not typically a TV writer) was his #1 regret, but after legitimizing all his work on the 8th Moffat surely must invite him in to write for 12.

I didn't know RTD said that, I would love Briggs to write for 12.

 

[APZonerunner]

I didn't know RTD said that, I would love Briggs to write for 12.

I think one thing that makes my stomach turn is how good either 'Evolution of the Daleks' or 'Victory of the Daleks' would've been under Briggs. He really knows how to write that enemy fascinatingly, and those were both one-off opportunities to do something incredible squandered.

so

that was kind of my first exposure to McGann as the Doctor, having not seen anything besides NuWho and a few of the old old serials.

Where would one go to hear these audio dramas or see his movie?

http://bigfinish.com/hubs/v/doctor-who

• If you want a good starting point for the Eighth Doctor that is quite evocative of New Who, I'd suggest starting with his most recent story, 'Dark Eyes', which is considered the start of a 'new' era/series, and will be followed up on. It's where he meets Molly, one of the companions he names before he regenerates. This would be the equivalent of starting New Who with The Eleventh Hour and watching the RTD stuff afterwards on catch-up. http://bigfinish.com/releases/v/dark-eyes-792?range=13
• Alternatively, here's the full Lucie Miller companion Eighth Doctor audio range - if you wanted to start from the very beginning you could start with Blood of the Daleks, which is New Who influenced but still more old school styled: http://bigfinish.com/ranges/released_reverse/eighth-doctor-adventures

They're quite long, and come in multiple parts with cliffhangers, in the style of old Who. There's obviously ones for 4, 5, 6 and 7 as well, though they're all more old-Who styled. I think the 5th and 6th are particularly good and carve whole new identities for their characters from them, though. Keep in mind they're not allowed to touch or even allude to post-2005 stuff. There'll be no River, no Time War, no Shadow Proclamation - even though all that stuff would actually make sense and tie the series' closer together. The 8th Doctor's adventures are actually partially set against the backdrop of the Time Lords trading blows with the Daleks, but it isn't the Time War. I imagine their hope is that if the license gets widened to include 2005 and beyond, they can then escalate and say those conflicts were the starting rumbles. But as of right now, they're not. I hope Moffat pushes for this, though. He as recently as last week said how he'd told Matt "Big Finish is waiting for you" when he decided to leave - but they can't do anything until the people in charge at the BBC widen the BF license!

Another place you could start is Light at the End, their 'Day of the Doctor' equivalent. It's brand new out, and features the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Doctors meeting under the machinations of the Master. It also even features some utterly wonderful brief (30 secondish) voice impersonation cameos from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd, from people who worked with them on the show and do quite uncanny impressions!)
http://bigfinish.com/releases/v/the-light-at-the-end-standard-edition-861

 

[Mudcrab]

It kind of made me sad to realize that you guys were basically seeing the death of the doctor you've been listening to.

I'm okay with this, McGann needed a proper regeneration scene plus the acknowledgement of his non-movie companions in his most dire moment was great. I feel the minisode happens so far into Eight's life that it doesn't create any real limits on future BF stories too.

Suggestions

I don't know, you'd be missing out on the whole Charley era. Chimes at Midnight and the entire Zagreus arc are pretty great stories.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Im pretty sure she's teetotal right?

Christ, I don't know. Maybe she was before that. I know she's a bit wacky but that's something else :lol

 

[APZonerunner]

I'm okay with this, McGann needed a proper regeneration scene plus the acknowledgement of his non-movie companions in his most dire moment was great. I feel the minisode happens so far into Eight's life that it doesn't create any real limits on future BF stories too.

I don't know, you'd be missing out on the whole Charley era. Chimes at Midnight and the entire Zagreus arc are pretty great stories.

True. You can always go back, though. I just think Dark Eyes or the Lucie Miller stuff is the easiest jumping-on point for somebody new coming from modern Doctor Who as a TV show. That was where I came in, and then I got hooked and went back to all the older 8 stuff.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Galifrey Base is a hive man. Just got banned for questioning a spoilerhound because he accused me of "laughing" at him. Jesus. Embrace me DW Gaf. You may be quieter but at least you're sane.

 

[Tregard]

After watching Night of the Doctor, I really hope Capaldi's Doctor has similar mannerisms to McGann's.

 

[infiniteloop]

Galifrey Base is a hive man. Just got banned for questioning a spoilerhound because he accused me of "laughing" at him. Jesus. Embrace me DW Gaf. You may be quieter but at least you're sane.

lol, that place is ridiculous.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

True. You can always go back, though. I just think Dark Eyes or the Lucie Miller stuff is the easiest jumping-on point for somebody new coming from modern Doctor Who as a TV show. That was where I came in, and then I got hooked and went back to all the older 8 stuff.

This is exactly how my Wife is doing it as well - except she's decided to say "fuck it" and is starting from Big Finish 001 and going from there in order. All podcasts and playlists have been banished from her iPod. Nothing but Audio Dramas

 

[Quick]

Galifrey Base is a hive man. Just got banned for questioning a spoilerhound because he accused me of "laughing" at him. Jesus. Embrace me DW Gaf. You may be quieter but at least you're sane.

 

[Exterminieren]

Galifrey Base is a hive man. Just got banned for questioning a spoilerhound because he accused me of "laughing" at him. Jesus. Embrace me DW Gaf. You may be quieter but at least you're sane.

You've FORCED that poster to stop posting spoilers by being so FRIGHTFULLY rude. Evil, evil chap.

 

[infiniteloop]

WE'RE ALL GOING TO STARVE NOW! THANKS.

 

[Mariolee]

Galifrey Base is a hive man. Just got banned for questioning a spoilerhound because he accused me of "laughing" at him. Jesus. Embrace me DW Gaf. You may be quieter but at least you're sane.

Wow, what the hell man? How dare you?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

You joke but;

Is that supposed to be funny ?

That still wasn't funny. And you shouldn't mock me, you'll see why very soon. Still, if I get to be treated like this, don't see why I should give spoilers anymore.

Never said I owned this Eccleston referring but I've been the first here to reveal that he could appear, but now, thanks to you, I will just let the others starve. A very selfish person you are, indeed. Bravo. Should probably report you for your insult but I won't even bother.

We'll see who's right, I'm actually going to report you right now

Good luck with getting out of this, knowing that you are going against the rules by questionning if I'm trustable or not, go get pissed off elsewhere

And the defense force;

And please don't stop posting spoilers because of one rude little person who likes causing trouble.

Actually, he does know stuff. He hinted to me about Paul McGann a while ago. So why don't you shut up?

Don't let the troll win. Everyone here is very appreciative.

 

[infiniteloop]

thing is that LumiereInfinie dude, never posts any spoilers or real knowledge, just vague enough guesses that he can spin as fact later on "trailer might be out Saturday", "McGann might be in a mini episode", "Eccleston might be in it". Yeah, no shit, dude.

 

[HigXx]

Some of the rules on GB are just over the top, seriously

 

[Shiv47]

Galifrey Base is a hive man. Just got banned for questioning a spoilerhound because he accused me of "laughing" at him. Jesus. Embrace me DW Gaf. You may be quieter but at least you're sane.

I go there very occasionally, but to me it's the venue for the most cringe-inducing elements of Who-fandom that I've bothered to look up. The whole sub-forum with the "clubs" dedicated to companions/actors ("Disciples of Donna," and so on, ho ho ho!) gives me douche-chills.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Don't understand why we spend so much of our time on this forum talking about a completely DIFFERENT forum full of complete strangers.

 

[infiniteloop]

Should be a clip on CiN today, yes? in about 2-3 hours?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Should be a clip on CiN today, yes? in about 2-3 hours?

7:30, so I hear.

 

[Exterminieren]

Don't understand why we spend so much of our time on this forum talking about a completely DIFFERENT forum full of complete strangers.

Like it or like it not, Gallifrey Base is a source of a lot of discussion when the show isn't actually on the air. It makes sense that it'll crop up in conversation.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It's not a question of "like it or not" it's just weird to me. It's a completely different messageboard that apparently everyone here dislikes in one form or another. It'd be one thing if it was just "read this bit of news" and then we have a conversation about that news. But there's been times when the discussion is SOLELY about what some dipshit at some completely different forum did IN that forum, and everything goes all snipey/backbitey for a little while. It's more confusing than anything. There's been times when I thought you guys were discussing a radio drama or a novelization or something, and it turns out you're just talking about some anonymous shitheel pitching a fit over their power struggles on a messageboard

It's just strange to me how often the discussion about the TV show is derailed because one of the many messageboards dedicated to discussing it has a bunch of fucking weirdos on it.

 

[Exterminieren]

I don't hate Gallifrey Base at all. I've been a member of it and its predecessors since the series came back.

It's just that Doctor Who fandom has a fair few colourful characters in it, and it's fun to give that a bit of a poke occasionally. Gallifrey Base is the centre of Doctor Who fandom, so that's how it manifests itself. Nothing more than that, really.

 

[Slowdive]

I don't post on GB, I just go there for spoilers and info.

BBC Worldwide funded 8th Doctor miniseries for Netflix pls.

Speaking of GB... this was posted earlier:

today a meeting was held with various important BBC Worldwide folks to discuss the hugely positive and unexpected feedback from McGann's appearance, and looking to the possibility of more, with if not him but other doctors.

All meetings, suggestions and the like, but certainly good I think. Especially because the turn around on their commissions is faster than in house Cardiff projects. I also know the people who are involved with ongoing feature film plans are there today.

So it could very well happen, if it does they might be exclusive to iplayer since they're having a major revamp where they want lots of exclusive content.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Coincidentally, I just watched "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" for the first time. Eleventh surviving a fall from orbit is such a huge contrast to Eighth's death in "The Night of the Doctor", aha.

 

[Exterminieren]

That one bloke's banging the drum of the show being handed over to Worldwide again, I see.

I bloody hope not.

 

[infiniteloop]

"unexpected feedback" ? really?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I don't care where it plays first - it all ends up on the internet regardless

Well, that's not true. There are still production costs to take into account, and something made specifically for the internet will probably have a significantly lower budget than something made for cable/network broadcast.

But if there's an Eighth Doctor mini-series/web-series, I wouldn't complain. But it would be sort of interesting. Doctor Who would be, in a small-ish way, competing with itself. I guess you could argue that's happened before with Sarah Jane & Torchwood, but those were spinoffs. This would be an entirely new set of stories for a concurrent Doctor. Brand dilution would probably be a concern.

At minimum, they'd probably have to alternate positions on a schedule. 12th Doctor runs from x to y, 8th doctor runs from a-b. 3 or 4 months break between either.