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Doctor: Zika Virus Means Brazil’s 2016 Olympics Must Not Proceed

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According to Dr. Amir Attaran, University of Ottawa / Harvard Public Health Review.

Dr. Attaran said:
Brazil’s Zika problem is inconveniently not ending. The outbreak that began in the country’s northeast has reached Rio de Janeiro, where it is flourishing. Clinical studies are also mounting that Zika infection is associated not just with pediatric microcephaly and brain damage, but also adult conditions such as Guillain-Barré syndrome and acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, which are debilitating and sometimes fatal.

Simply put, Zika infection is more dangerous, and Brazil’s outbreak more extensive, than scientists reckoned a short time ago. Which leads to a bitter truth: the 2016 Olympic and Paralympic Games must be postponed, moved, or both, as a precautionary concession. There are five reasons.


  1. Rio de Janeiro is more affected by Zika than anyone expected, rendering earlier assumptions of safety obsolete.
  2. Although Zika virus was discovered nearly seventy years ago, the viral strain that recently entered Brazil is clearly new, different, and vastly more dangerous than “old” Zika.
  3. While Brazil’s Zika inevitably will spread globally — given enough time, viruses always do — it helps nobody to speed that up.
  4. When (not if) the Games speed up Zika’s spread, the already-urgent job of inventing new technologies to stop it becomes harder.
  5. Proceeding with the Games violates what the Olympics stand for. The International Olympic Committee writes that “Olympism seeks to create … social responsibility and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles”. But how socially responsible or ethical is it to spread disease?

He elaborates on the 5 points listed above in the piece at the link.

I agree with the doctor. There is no reason to endanger people here and abroad by proceeding with the games.
 
Is there much to fear from people speeding up its outbreak?

I mean mosquitos don't really travel in your luggage and the only thing I've seen person to person is the potential for sexual transmission not anything determinative though

And how widespread is Zika? Tbh id be more worried about crime, toxic rivers and non completed infrastructure
 
Is there much to fear from people speeding up its outbreak?

I mean mosquitos don't really travel in your luggage and the only thing I've seen person to person is the potential for sexual transmission not anything determinative though

And how widespread is Zika? Tbh idk be more worried about crime, toxic rivers and non completed infrastructure

It's sexually transmitted irrc.
 

entremet

Member
Is there much to fear from people speeding up its outbreak?

I mean mosquitos don't really travel in your luggage and the only thing I've seen person to person is the potential for sexual transmission not anything determinative though

And how widespread is Zika? Tbh id be more worried about crime, toxic rivers and non completed infrastructure

It's a STD.

The Olympics will have international travelers from all over the globe. It will absolutely help spread it.
 

Dabanton

Member
How long does the virus stick around for?

Also The Olympics, the World cup etc are all massive money making opportunities for a few people. And we all know for these guys money comes before public safety.
 

Tiops

Member
Of course it must not proceed, and not only because of Zika. We have absolutely no structure to hold something like the Olympics here.
 
It's sexually transmitted irrc.

It's a STD.

The Olympics will have international travelers from all over the globe. It will absolutely help spread it.
Wiki says 14 cases have potentially been found. People are getting infected because they're bitten by mosquitos not from having sex.

It's not an STD. Other viruses have the potential to be transmitted sexually but aren't labeled as such. Do you think Brazilians arent having sex? I don't think it's that common even in Brazil which wouldn't be the case if it was always getting transmitted. STI rates are usually really high. And things like safe sex exist.

Yes it will spread cases but its not going to start and outbreak in Europe or the US. Millions of people have gone to Brazil and infected regions since the outbreak started

Should precautions and health and safety measures be put into place? Of course but this isn't going to start a global pandemic that kills millions.
 
This is how the Zombie outbreak happens. Gather people from across the world in a hotzone for disease and then let them go home to infect others.
 

shira

Member
But we all know there is no way in hell they will be cancelling these games.

I think it would be pretty easy to reschedule separate events in different countries to reduce the burden and London already has most of the facilities from the last Olympics.
 

entremet

Member
Wiki says 14 cases have potentially been found. It's not an STD. Other viruses have the potential to be transmitted sexually but aren't labeled as such. Do you think Brazilians arent having sex? I don't think it's that common.

Yes it will spread cases but its not going to start and outbreak in Europe or the US. Millions of people have gone to Brazil and infected regions since the outbreak started

I saw this from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/zika/transmission/sexual-transmission.html

What we know
  • Zika virus can be spread during sex by a man infected with Zika to his partners.
  • In known cases of sexual transmission, the men had Zika symptoms. From these cases, we know the virus can be spread when the man has symptoms, before symptoms start, and after symptoms end.
  • The virus can stay in semen longer than in blood.
What we do not know
  • We do not know how long the virus can stay in the semen of men who have had Zika.
  • We do not know if men infected with Zika who never develop symptoms can have the virus in their semen or spread Zika through sex.
  • We do not know if a woman can spread Zika to her sex partners.
  • We do not know if Zika can be spread through oral sex.
  • Although there are no known cases of Zika transmission from mouth-to-penis oral sex, Zika is known to be spread through semen. It may be possible for a man to spread Zika to his partners through oral (mouth-to-penis) sex.
  • It is not known if Zika can be spread from other body fluids that may be exchanged during oral sex, including saliva and vaginal fluids.

Medical authorities are right in being cautious.
 
Of course it must not proceed, and not only because of Zika. We have absolutely no structure to hold something like the Olympics here.

I like that infrastructure / business ethics / labor issues don't cause the Olympics to stop, and a massive viral outbreak might not even slow it down.

"The International Olympic Committee writes that “Olympism seeks to create … social responsibility and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles”.

My ass.
 
In a reasonable, responsible world where people are treated with respect and their health and happiness regarded as of the utmost importance these games would not go ahead. Alas this is not that world.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
Is there much to fear from people speeding up its outbreak?

I mean mosquitos don't really travel in your luggage and the only thing I've seen person to person is the potential for sexual transmission not anything determinative though

because sexually transmitted diseases have never caused trouble...?
 

robochimp

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Is there much to fear from people speeding up its outbreak?

I mean mosquitos don't really travel in your luggage and the only thing I've seen person to person is the potential for sexual transmission not anything determinative though

And how widespread is Zika? Tbh id be more worried about crime, toxic rivers and non completed infrastructure

You're leaving out human to mosquito transmission of the virus.
 
I saw this from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/zika/transmission/sexual-transmission.html

What we know
  • Zika virus can be spread during sex by a man infected with Zika to his partners.
  • In known cases of sexual transmission, the men had Zika symptoms. From these cases, we know the virus can be spread when the man has symptoms, before symptoms start, and after symptoms end.
  • The virus can stay in semen longer than in blood.
What we do not know
  • We do not know how long the virus can stay in the semen of men who have had Zika.
  • We do not know if men infected with Zika who never develop symptoms can have the virus in their semen or spread Zika through sex.
  • We do not know if a woman can spread Zika to her sex partners.
  • We do not know if Zika can be spread through oral sex.
  • Although there are no known cases of Zika transmission from mouth-to-penis oral sex, Zika is known to be spread through semen. It may be possible for a man to spread Zika to his partners through oral (mouth-to-penis) sex.
  • It is not known if Zika can be spread from other body fluids that may be exchanged during oral sex, including saliva and vaginal fluids.
Meningitis and ebola both can be transmitted by semen. They're not STDs. I wouldn't be surprised if pretty much every viruses can at one time or another find itself sexually transmitted. Viruses are tough little things.

This information is good but let's not go off the deep end and call it a STD
 
because sexually transmitted diseases have never caused trouble...?
it's not an STD. It's infected hundreds of thousands. And endemic to areas containing hundreds of millions and we've seen 14 potential cases

You're leaving out human to mosquito transmission of the virus.
This is a bigger potential problems but I've not read more up on that but how would that do anything but maybe give a few mosquitos the disease who are likely controlled in the areas this would be a risk?

Human to mosquito seems super unlikely and I don't see how it's any different than exists already with hundreds of thousands of Americans vacationing in South America and coming back to mosquito ripe areas. And someone going back to Europe or the Midwest has no risk of this because the mosquito isn't there.
 
Zika defence force. Only gaf.
Defense force? It's don't freak out over alarmist media reports.

Didn't we just do this with Ebola? Those threads were a mess. And I don't see people learning a lot here on how freaking out doesn't nothing. There are rather simple steps to prevent the worst of this disease which seems to be rare cases of baby's born with small heads (which is the largest problem) and rare neurological conditions starting (which happen already with disease endemic to the US like west nile and chikungunya which the media has largely moved beyond because its not sexy anymore).

Zika is a huge problem but the freak outs don't help.
 

Anion

Member
If people were smart, it would have gotten posponed or something.

But no one is smart when it comes to these emotion driven games
 
Defense force? It's don't freak out over alarmist media reports.

Didn't we just do this with Ebola? Those threads were a mess. And I don't see people learning a lot here on how freaking out doesn't nothing. There are rather simple steps to prevent the worst of this disease which seems to be rare cases of baby's born with small heads (which is the largest problem) and rare neurological conditions starting (which happen already with disease endemic to the US like west nile and chikungunya which the media has largely moved beyond because its not sexy anymore).

Zika is a huge problem but the freak outs don't help.

Are you and athlete that makes your living from your body willing to travel to Brazil and potentially be exposed to zika wich can cause paralisis and who knows what else possibly ending your carreer in athletics?
 
Hmm, you know what? Even though I am wary of the risks being overstated in some quarters, this will certainly hasten the virus's spread. And, of course, there are other reasons why these games were a bad idea.
 

MutFox

Banned
Logic would dictate that the games should be moved elsewhere,
but money is more important.

This could be the event that spreads Zika like wildfire globally.
 
Defense force? It's don't freak out over alarmist media reports.

Didn't we just do this with Ebola? Those threads were a mess. And I don't see people learning a lot here on how freaking out doesn't nothing. There are rather simple steps to prevent the worst of this disease which seems to be rare cases of baby's born with small heads (which is the largest problem) and rare neurological conditions starting (which happen already with disease endemic to the US like west nile and chikungunya which the media has largely moved beyond because its not sexy anymore).

Zika is a huge problem but the freak outs don't help.

There were 11 cases of Ebola in the US.

There have been 472 confirmed cases of Zika.

Within the past week, there have been 84 new cases in the following states: California, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia.
 
Can someone explain to me why Zika is even something to be overly worried about? As far as I know, as long as you aren't pregnant, in which case you get the defects, it basically just gives you a normal fever and is gone in like a week or two.

I mean I get that the pregnant stuff is a big deal but some people seem to talk about it as if its Ebola 2.0.
 
Can someone explain to me why Zika is even something to be overly worried about? As far as I know, as long as you aren't pregnant, in which case you get the defects, it basically just gives you a normal fever and is gone in like a week or two.

I mean I get that the pregnant stuff is a big deal but some people seem to talk about it as if its Ebola 2.0.

You answered your own question. If you're pregnant it's a very big deal.
 

N.Domixis

Banned
Just make it mandatory or law that no one has sex unprotected if they traveled there or if pregnant. How long does this thing last?
 

Joni

Member
If they didn't cancel it for poisonous water, they won't for this.

Can someone explain to me why Zika is even something to be overly worried about? As far as I know, as long as you aren't pregnant, in which case you get the defects, it basically just gives you a normal fever and is gone in like a week or two.

I mean I get that the pregnant stuff is a big deal but some people seem to talk about it as if its Ebola 2.0.

and according to the first line, also stuff like the disease where you slowly become paralyzed and even when you immediately catch it, recovering still takes years.
 
Can someone explain to me why Zika is even something to be overly worried about? As far as I know, as long as you aren't pregnant, in which case you get the defects, it basically just gives you a normal fever and is gone in like a week or two.

I mean I get that the pregnant stuff is a big deal but some people seem to talk about it as if its Ebola 2.0.
Because the baby thing is pretty serious and the media loves mosquito born illnesses becsuse people don't know if they've been infected and feel unsafe

There were 11 cases of Ebola in the US.

There have been 472 confirmed cases of Zika.

Within the past week, there have been 84 new cases in the following states: California, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia.

Yes because Zika is endemic to the Caribbean and South America which is visited by US tourists a lot more than West Africa.
 
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