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Dota 2 |OT11| $400 of Support and Passion
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Wok
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Yep, I started playing support Bounty Hunter after watching some games of PLD at DAC or something.
You can see the transition from Phase Boots to Arcane Boots with Blink and Force Staff.
I have been messing around with the build, especially that Aghs.
time to redeem my million codes. 3/5 figures were golden 
i dont think it was predetermined with the exception of dendi
i dont think it was predetermined with the exception of dendi
Pretty sure Kaci had the section numbers on her piece of paper.
NormalFish
Banned
Yeah, she said they had picked some sections.
is it just dotabuff reporting it wrong, but wouldn't you put BoTs first in your inventory?Yep, I started playing support Bounty Hunter after watching some games of PLD at DAC or something.
You can see the transition from Phase Boots to Arcane Boots with Blink and Force Staff.
I have been messing around with the build, especially that Aghs.
support bounty does look pretty strong though
whats your favourite progression so far?
My theory was to position myself near two well known streamers/cosplayers from the event and hope I get picked.
Pretty sure dota buff lists the items relative to the positions you have them in game.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
Head of Vengarl
Banned
nah, i was on the second level. Pretty sure there werent any well known person there.
first time the human wave was awesome in the eg game. The next ones felt forced. Also, i wanted pit lord
Well, after TI i really got in the mood for some Dota.
Damn, the community is toxic.
I mean, i can handle it, but the sheer fact that people join "LIMITED HEROES" games (that are explicitly aimed at new players, right?) only to trash talk one another over a few blunders is really depressing and i cannot imagine anyone new to the community not being instantly turned off.
The difference to other games is that you'll be subject to that vile verbal abuse for 45 minute long games ...
It's not like there's any "noob" queue. There's nothing in between botmatches and "unranked". How in god's name do these people EXPECT others to learn to play.
And why do they think it's some sort of threat (let alone proper use of the report feature) if they call others to report someone for playing shittily?
I'm just baffled, that's all.
It's so much more bearable if you have at least one other person to queue with that doesn't have the same rage issues as 90% of the Dota community.
Damn, the community is toxic.
I mean, i can handle it, but the sheer fact that people join "LIMITED HEROES" games (that are explicitly aimed at new players, right?) only to trash talk one another over a few blunders is really depressing and i cannot imagine anyone new to the community not being instantly turned off.
The difference to other games is that you'll be subject to that vile verbal abuse for 45 minute long games ...
It's not like there's any "noob" queue. There's nothing in between botmatches and "unranked". How in god's name do these people EXPECT others to learn to play.
And why do they think it's some sort of threat (let alone proper use of the report feature) if they call others to report someone for playing shittily?
I'm just baffled, that's all.
It's so much more bearable if you have at least one other person to queue with that doesn't have the same rage issues as 90% of the Dota community.
You're not misunderstanding
I always assumed that your movespeed defaulted to the first pair in your inventory, so you would want to go bots then greaves
Yep, I started playing support Bounty Hunter after watching some games of PLD at DAC or something.
You can see the transition from Phase Boots to Arcane Boots with Blink and Force Staff.
I have been messing around with the build, especially that Aghs.
Why would you ever get an Aghs on Bounty?
As soon as the game loads, mute everyone. 99% of players are total fucktards and not worth your time. Just put on some music and enjoy the game with no one bothering you with their whining. Its how most of the people here play
He's probably asleep right now.
The max MS item takes precedence.
yeah by the time I realized it was random it was too late. I just wanted to say something funny and sit next to Rtz on stage.nah, i was on the second level. Pretty sure there werent any well known person there.
first time the human wave was awesome in the eg game. The next ones felt forced. Also, i wanted pit lord
SecretMoblin
Member
It's bad and it doesn't get any better, at any level. But unless you're a very new player (when smurfs ruin your first ~50-75 games), you're going to be matched with people at your skill level.
IMO all the sneering about bot matches is unjustified; if you want to learn a new hero or practice some mechanics (last-hitting, tower/creep aggro, farming efficiency, item builds, etc.) bot matches are fine. If you have friends who play and aren't at a much higher tier, try playing with them. And mute frequently, it makes the entire experience much more pleasant.
I am an idiot
well always learning something new with dota
I had a cool idea, what if you could upgrade a rod of atos like necro and diffusal
call it the rod of aui
how would you go about coordinating ganks or strategy then? does the game not mute the "generated chat" like 'care' 'missing top' and all that stuff?
Wok
Member
Games are old now, I don't remember exactly. In terms of items, something like:
Boots / OoV / PMS early on
Then Arcane > Blink
Finally ForceStaff, or a pair QB+Gem, depending on the game.
In terms of skills:
The goal is to snipe a few couriers, deward all the map, track all the ennemies, provide vision before a fight starts, mess with junglers, etc. The main interest of the hero is the comeback mechanic with track, and the map control with invisibility + track + gem + wards.
Why would you ever get an Aghs on Bounty?
I thought this is what allowed the shuriken toss to bounce on several opponents. I was disappointed, and ended up losing the game (only because of the lag).
I really would have preferred to have LD casting for that alone. Was hoping for some hype casting on the newcomer stream but that was also disappointing.
You could try the sandbox mode. Kappa.
I'd suggest a coach and reading some guides to get you started. For example if you are auto attacking creeps in lane it is a sure sign you are new and it does a lot more harm than it seems for example.
call_kotaku
Member
I didn't realize how many gamers have legitimate anger issues til I played DOTA
It was the first competitive game I've played that required a lot of team communication, and I'd just assumed most of the salty or toxic stuff I'd encountered in the past in other games or forums was trolling instead of genuine.
It was the first competitive game I've played that required a lot of team communication, and I'd just assumed most of the salty or toxic stuff I'd encountered in the past in other games or forums was trolling instead of genuine.
dota anger eventual led to an anger intervention with one of our friends
hes a lot better now in all aspects of his life regarding anger management
competitive games do seem to bring out the worse in people
australian servers don't seem as bad as american so I can't speak to much about it
we get nonchalant assholes a lot more than raging flamers here
NormalFish
Banned
I'd say on forums and such most of it is trolling. MOBAs (and similarly competitive and team-oriented games such as CSGO) just are designed in such a way that brings out the worst in people.
Imagine you're placed in a room with 9 strangers, divided in to 2 teams, and then told to compete in a cooperation-oriented task for some stake. A task that is rather difficult. Oh, and you can't leave until it's done or you are penalized. I think most people can imagine that there would be some hostility in a situation like that.
Now imagine that none of the people in that game have any way of triggering human empathy within eachother short of text (no faces, expressions, voice for the most part), and you have the god awful flame wars you find in DOTA/CSGO/League/Etc..
BreezyLimbo
Banned
So general question but when do you know not to level a skill at all? Like watching TI theres times where a player wouldnt level 1 skill on this heroe or that hero, should I be emulating that? Is it a case by case basis?
NormalFish
Banned
Don't level a skill when either:
- The skill doesn't have enough impact in early game to warrant the investment (Sleight of Fist on Ember Spirit)
- Another point outweighs the benefit of that skill (Heal/Grave over Poison on Dazzle)
You'll figure such things out with time. Reading hero guides will help tremendously.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah, Dazzle was one of the heroes I noticed.
So for Spirit Breaker..I recently played him and levelled his E/W with 1 point in Q. Is that any good? And is there a site you guys use for guides?
use ingame guides. Top left corner one of them button has them
Dreams-Visions
Member
Max Q first on SB. Max E second. You'll get either Q or E first depending on how you expect the first 2 minutes of the game to go. If you think you'll be able to safely auto the enemy, you can go bash and pray for the 17% chance. If not, you go Q and you'll have an escape at the ready or a charge to rush someone down if they're in kill range.
sange is the item from which all good things flow
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1700708283
(was working on SE)
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1700708283
(was working on SE)
BreezyLimbo
Banned
My team stuck me against Storm Spirit mid...I did good all things considered.
Thanks!
call_kotaku
Member
But it's ultimately still something that takes less than 45 minutes and involves mostly interacting with people you'll never meet again while competing with very low stakes. Even the worst DOTA experiences just give me a chuckle or make me go to bed feeling a bit down, I can't imagine how much angrier I'd need to be to verbally abuse complete strangers for almost a whole hour, yet it seems like atleast 4/10 people who play DOTA are atleast that angry all the time. Even if they don't behave this way in person, it's still problematic that they have such a low threshold for lashing out at anonymous strangers.
If something as low stakes as a competitive videogame with strangers provokes that level of frustration in someone, I'm worried about the other facets of their life which aren't disposable distractions.
I've been finally getting into it recently, and I've taken to muting. I hate having to do it, since I think it goes against the idea of being a team, but quite honestly it's better than being annoyed at some douche who can't keep their mouths shut.
There is a noob queue though by the way. Well there is in the sense it tries to match you with other new people. When I queue in the original client, it tends to match me up with other people who have a similar amount of hours in the game. Reborn doesn't seem to though, I get put with a wide variety of different people.
Even in the original client you do sometimes get the odd smurf(mainly more when you first start), dude who is playing with a new friend or that one new guy who thinks he's the bees knees, but it's nothing that muting doesn't solve.
Edit: It's worth noting I've been playing All Pick not Limited Heroes, so I'm not sure if Limited Heroes has the same matchmaking.
call_kotaku
Member
in pubs sure, but competitively he's just a worse QoP
manfestival
Member
does anyone want to trade immortals? I got the OD scepter... I never play OD
JawesomeJaw
Member
In the airport leaving Seattle. I'm a s a d b o y
But not too sad, I'll get to play dota tomorrow
My flight is delayed, and we got here to early.
I can't wait to be instantly reminded of the skill gap when I get home.