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[Deleted member 77995]

I got into a "team" with a few friends, I'm gonna play offlane, any advice guys? c:

lane cut as axe if they have a drow or viper. ez win

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

Thanks!

I've been playing a lot of Bristle, Clock and Windranger (my main), I think I've been doing well so far, pretty much not dying, I still need to learn to rat with Nature's Prophet

Wind Ranger and Nature's Prophet are fine offlaners too, just somewhat harder to survive with them.

On ratting, that's something that comes with experience more than anything, you'll eventually figure out when the best time is to help your team fight and when to use opportunities to push.

 

[twobear]

Dude what.

Feast is awesome.



Did you go last year?

no but i've been to seattle before

 

[The M.O.B]

On the flaming debate(Can't believe there is a debate about whether or not to be nice to others smh).

Flamers are the worst, this is fact. If you can't stay calm and give helpful suggestions, then consider another avenue to deal with your obvious anger issues.

Chances are that instead of flaming the feeding offlaner, maybe you could have suggested switching the lanes up, or sending your jungle crystal maiden to help him out, or have him abandon the lane, or send your supports to smoke and gank the offlane,or maybe you could have suggested a better offlane hero for them at the selection screen. There is 100 different possibilities here

But no, you had everyone muted from the get go and sat there assuming you're the best player there just because your mmr is 8 higher than the next guy.

Yelling at people is ineffective communication. Sulking because "I got stuck with these scrubs" is pathetic. You should've just stayed muted

Constructive criticism, try it.

 

[Hylian7]

On the flaming debate(Can't believe there is a debate about whether or not to be nice to others smh).

Flamers are the worst, this is fact. If you can't stay calm and give helpful suggestions, then consider another avenue to deal with your obvious anger issues.

Chances are that instead of flaming the feeding offlaner, maybe you could have suggested switching the lanes up, or sending your jungle crystal maiden to help him out, or have him abandon the lane, or send your supports to smoke and gank the offlane,or maybe you could have suggested a better offlane hero for them at the selection screen. There is 100 different possibilities here

But no, you had everyone muted from the get go and sat there assuming you're the best player there just because your mmr is 8 higher than the next guy.

Yelling at people is ineffective communication. Sulking because "I got stuck with these scrubs" is pathetic. You should've just stayed muted

Constructive criticism, try it.

Stop giving good advice and play Dota with us!

 

[Glass Shark]

DotaGAF only plays cancerous heroes

 

[Hylian7]

DotaGAF only plays cancerous heroes

Name a hero that isn't cancer.

 

[inkls]

DotaGAF only plays cancerous heroes

storm is the best hero in the game m8

 

[Quesa]

Name a hero that isn't cancer.

If I don't like 'em, they're cancer.

 

[Deleted member 77995]

Name a hero that isn't cancer.

sven

 

[Drkirby]

Name a hero that isn't cancer.

Uh well.. Lich?

 

[SteveWinwood]

Toebear remember when you randomed meepo

 

[JC Sera]

Name a hero that isn't cancer.

 

[SecretMoblin]

elder titan is not cancer


play elder titan today

 

[Hylian7]

Also I got a hold of DK's Rapier in that game.

Spoiler

We still lost, Omni is annoying to deal with without extreme teamwork.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

Name a hero that isn't cancer.

LC
LD
VS
AA
Brew
I can keep going on

Uh well.. Lich?

So easy it's cancer

 

[SilentRacoon]

On the flaming debate(Can't believe there is a debate about whether or not to be nice to others smh).

Flamers are the worst, this is fact. If you can't stay calm and give helpful suggestions, then consider another avenue to deal with your obvious anger issues.

Chances are that instead of flaming the feeding offlaner, maybe you could have suggested switching the lanes up, or sending your jungle crystal maiden to help him out, or have him abandon the lane, or send your supports to smoke and gank the offlane,or maybe you could have suggested a better offlane hero for them at the selection screen. There is 100 different possibilities here

But no, you had everyone muted from the get go and sat there assuming you're the best player there just because your mmr is 8 higher than the next guy.

Yelling at people is ineffective communication. Sulking because "I got stuck with these scrubs" is pathetic. You should've just stayed muted

Constructive criticism, try it.

Why do you bring so much reason into this thread, I'm muting you.

What kind of metric do you even use to consider a hero a cancer, just whatever that screws with your favorite picks the most?

 

[Hylian7]

Why do you bring so much reason into this thread, I'm muting you.

His computer is blowing up constantly and he can't play Dota with his usual stack.

 

[Glass Shark]

Name a hero that isn't cancer.

I was gonna say Oracle, but he's cancer if he's on your team

 

[cris7198]

On the flaming debate(Can't believe there is a debate about whether or not to be nice to others smh).

Flamers are the worst, this is fact. If you can't stay calm and give helpful suggestions, then consider another avenue to deal with your obvious anger issues.

Chances are that instead of flaming the feeding offlaner, maybe you could have suggested switching the lanes up, or sending your jungle crystal maiden to help him out, or have him abandon the lane, or send your supports to smoke and gank the offlane,or maybe you could have suggested a better offlane hero for them at the selection screen. There is 100 different possibilities here

But no, you had everyone muted from the get go and sat there assuming you're the best player there just because your mmr is 8 higher than the next guy.

Yelling at people is ineffective communication. Sulking because "I got stuck with these scrubs" is pathetic. You should've just stayed muted

Constructive criticism, try it.

You, I like you

 

[twobear]

Toebear remember when you randomed meepo

that game was sf iconic

 

[call_kotaku]

I wonder if I'll ever play ranked again. I played 10 matches to calibrate a year ago and the whole experience was awful, but now that I'm actually much better than I was when I got my MMR I don't think I can stomach grinding a bunch of games just to climb to my "real" MMR, especially with the sort of people I ran into on low MMR ranked.

I calibrated at 2700 but now I'm generally 50/50 on Very High/High Skill bracket on dotabuff, I don't know the direct conversion but it seems like I need to play several dozen games to make up the difference.

 

[FACE]

Uh well.. Lich?

Lich is cancer.

 

[Drkirby]

Lich is cancer.

You're cancer.

 

[Haly]

I was born under Cancer.

 

[iamblades]

Ok, apparently Cinemark theaters are showing the TI grand finals.

.

 

[Procarbine]

Constructive criticism, try it.

Anecdotally constructive criticism, or any kind of criticism, isn't met well no matter how nice your delivery. "Don't tell me how to play."

I was born under Cancer.

Don't forget you are also horse peasant.

 

[Hylian7]

Anecdotally constructive criticism, or any kind of criticism, isn't met well no matter how nice your delivery. "Don't tell me how to play."

I'd say I get that about 10% of the time. I'll take the 90% odds of it being received alright.

 

[t0rment]

once again i wish i was in hylian's dota world.

me: guy, stop auto attacking, you're pushing the lane.
guy: shut the fuck up
me: mutes guy, admits defeat.

 

[Haly]

Don't forget you are also horse peasant.

The delivery is very important. I suggest reading Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's a bit outdated in the world it presents, but the psychology underlying its lessons is very real. Only, some work is required to translate its advice for a digital age.

 

[Hylian7]

once again i wish i was in hylian's dota world.

me: guy, stop auto attacking, you're pushing the lane.
guy: shut the fuck up
me: mutes guy, admits defeat.

Could go try doing something else and just playing around the guy that's doing that. Yeah, not a surefire thing for sure, but worth a try don't you think?

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1638440204

The VS nearly lost us the game here, by not going with us and doing her own thing around 50 minutes for some reason. I told my team "Just keep trying, don't give up, if I get my Skadi we can probably win this even without VS".

We won it.

 

[Kard8p3]

PL good hero

 

[Drkirby]

Now this, this is the face of true cancer:

 

[FACE]

You're cancer.

Lich is my most played hero, so you're right.

 

[Glass Shark]

I still stand by my statement that 70% of the people I play with are morons... but once in a while you get a good team that purposely stands back so you can get the RAMPAGE

 

[Hylian7]

I still stand by my statement that 70% of the people I play with are morons... but once in a while you get a good team that purposely stands back so you can get the RAMPAGE

Rampages are cool and all, but I really don't see the point in doing that. Especially with assist and AoE gold, I don't feel like the whole "let the carry have it" thing is necessary. Obviously use judgement here, you don't want to blow Finger of Death on someone that has <50HP and someone is easily in autoattack range.

 

[z1ggy]

Why supports always try to take the carry farm i don´t get it.

Today i had too many quitters and feeders, feels like low priority ;_;

 

[Glass Shark]

Rampages are cool and all, but I really don't see the point in doing that. Especially with assist and AoE gold, I don't feel like the whole "let the carry have it" thing is necessary. Obviously use judgement here, you don't want to blow Finger of Death on someone that has <50HP and someone is easily in autoattack range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5d5jxJ5vbM

 

[Drkirby]

Why supports always try to take the carry farm i don´t get it.

Today i had too many quitters and feeders, feels like low priority ;_;

Its simple really, they want money too. They need to get their first item scepter and their 35 minute meks.

 

[Haly]

Usually because my carry can't last hit for crap. I'll be taking the farm then, thanks.

Honestly, I'd set up last hits for these people and they'd still miss them. You just can't help your lane mates sometimes.

 

[Drkirby]

Haly, is your avatar a chick with Giorno's hair?

 

[Haly]

Yes!

 

[Wok]

I realize it doesn't have to have the entire team in it, but what about the usual "BLACK HOL-*stunned*" by someone you couldn't see, or couldn't catch in it for whatever reason? Honestly the only reason I fear using it without a BKB is if there's a specific hero with a stun (or a Rubick or something) that I can't catch in it.

Sometimes I just use the blackhole as a fight-finishing move: people start fighting 4 vs 5, people use their spells, people get low on both sides, then blink and black hole and wipe the other team, opponents call GG and start thinking game is lost.

you dont use it to initiate if you go mek, easy as that

Basically requiring the other team to use all their disables on you in a teamfight is a big enough deal, in my experience. I started turning my enigma lose streak around when I realized that I don't necessarily need to hit a black hole to start a fight, since it's extremely good counter-initiation and people aren't going to have the presence of mind to delta split for an entire fight, plus it denies an area which limits their options even if they didn't get caught in the initial aoe.

I wanted to play enigma like an ES or Magnus where I wait in the periphery until I get the perfect opportunity to land my fight-winning ult, when really it's more effective to push a tower with your team, lay down a midnight pulse under where you want to fight, and if the other team decides to initiate on one of your heroes, throw your stun, mek your team, and then black hole once everyone is engaged. The midnight pulse and mek are guaranteed and will probably win your team the fight, and landing the black hole is just a bonus.

Best black holes are counter initiation bhd while the enmy stuns on cd and they are tunnel visioned on someone else . You can walk in without blink and hit a good one if you time it right

Exactly.

 

[Sianos]

DotaGAF only plays cancerous heroes

Haha I was just about to comment on how I got my second ever rampage this game - for once after the ultra kill the elusive fifth person wasn't off faffing about.

I love phantom lancer, he's my favorite hero by far. So much fun to play, and a very high skill ceiling with the opportunities for illusion micro and doppleganger trickery.

He's certainly counterable too (tsunami why did you reveal the secret of the veil to the public ;___; ) and even that game they had legion overwhelming odds, luna glaives, undispellable ice blast and viper strike, radiance on the bear, etc.

 

[Shuggananas]

But no, you had everyone muted from the get go and sat there assuming you're the best player there just because your mmr is 8 higher than the next guy.

That's a strawman if I've ever seen one

 

[poppedcollar69]

win unranked game, win ranked game, lose 2 ranked games. rofl.......

 

[Hylian7]

That's a strawman if I've ever seen one

When you've actually said you mute everyone and only unmute to flame them, and you're likely to be around a similar MMR to your teammates, is it?

 

[Shuggananas]

I don't play ranked, and even if I did I don't assume I'm the best on the team and that's not why I mute everybody

 

[Hylian7]

I don't play ranked, and even if I did I don't assume I'm the best on the team and that's not why I mute everybody

There's still a hidden MMR in unranked, and you sure act like you are the best on the team in general.

 

[Shuggananas]

you won't see me saying "my whole team is trash" like some morons (well, maybe in some 4stack cases it happens), it's always "we lost because this dude or that guy was real fucking bad"
don't see how that's saying you're the best on the team