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Dota 2 |OT13| 6.86, our Pit Lord and savior
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And what if there is no OD in the game?
misses bull
Banned
Let me rephrase: What are the major things to watch out for (other than OD) if you were to run Naga mid?
I went against a Razor earlier today. Never again.
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remember to sigh heavily into the mic when no one tps to your lane as you're geting ganked by enemy supports
You say clowning, so let's go with the short version.
Sigismundo
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Fuck Hylian. I want a thesis of exactly what goes wrong in this Naga game.
Monochromaticx
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In this meta, i dont think so
Safelane her and hope you have good supports
I know I won't. I really, truly want invoker to be a garbage hero.
Sigismundo
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Why, exactly? What possible good does that do for anybody?
Thanks. I am probably wasting my time trying her mid. She is fun one you get the Radiance up though.
Even before today's nerf, I was just tired of seeing him and still am. I didn't think he was too OP, but regardless this nerf was appreciated. He doesn't need to become garbage again, he is fine where he is now. When 6.87 rolls around he will probably get a nerf that removes him from the meta.
RIP Euls Sunstroke Meteor Deafening combo, won't work on everyone now. Also I guess that makes the level 25 Deafening Blast not like a mini Ravage anymore.
Just get tired of seeing him in every fucking game. It's partly the attitude of people slam picking him also. He's not only in every game, he's slam-picked in every game as well.
I just think it's funny that the Euls combo is a source of so much hate when that shit hasn't changed in years. It just got highlighted because he suddenly became so much better with incremental buffs to invoke, int gain, deafening blast, etc.
Oh well, now that his win rate is dropping we can move onto OD or whoever the next hero ends up being Kappa
Oh well, now that his win rate is dropping we can move onto OD or whoever the next hero ends up being Kappa
SecretMoblin
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let OD live ffs
he was out for fucking YEARS and is going to have a leshesque "correction" the minute reddit decides he's their target for the week
he was out for fucking YEARS and is going to have a leshesque "correction" the minute reddit decides he's their target for the week
Monochromaticx
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^ this
OD has not been picked since MLG Columbus, even then it was not a top tier pick iirc. let him spread his wings for awhile!
OD has not been picked since MLG Columbus, even then it was not a top tier pick iirc. let him spread his wings for awhile!
Shuggananas
Banned
Just ward his mid
Imp the Dimp
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I played against a terrible Invoker mid yesterday and I'm pretty sure I outlaned him to the point where he at least for a minute considered quitting Dota for good. Balanced hero.
neurosisxeno
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I haven't lost to an Invoker in a while. It could just be because now bad people are picking him thinking it's an easy win, but I haven't had trouble dealing with an Invoker since around TI3.
Imp the Dimp
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Haven't played this patch much sadly. The Invo yesterday was simply an atrocious player though lmao. It honestly made me laugh.
Monochromaticx
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jug went battlefury...at 45 minutes
while morphling only had eblade linkens treads...dagon 1 (he was free farmed and getting lots of kills..no idea how he was so under-farmed)
thankfully enemy team were dumber and kept getting caught by my glimpse/fiield + aghes necro.
while morphling only had eblade linkens treads...dagon 1 (he was free farmed and getting lots of kills..no idea how he was so under-farmed)
thankfully enemy team were dumber and kept getting caught by my glimpse/fiield + aghes necro.
neurosisxeno
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Should be in August, with the next Major taking place in May. They seem to be doing every 3 months.
remember the mid meta at mlg Columbus?
Your penalty for wishing for storm nerfs must be more severe. Gut him, all of him. Burn him to the ground
Shuggananas
Banned
radiance miss chance gonna go 17% > 10%
Remove the hp buff from transformation and give hp regen instead
the alch treatment
yeah, I am expecting it to be somewhere in August. I was just hoping if there were any official word on when exactly.
Monochromaticx
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thought i would share my predictions
Gentle Rodriguez
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1. Alliance is probably going to get pretty far into the tournament, which means more games, which means more heroes picked.
2. Loda, EGM and S4 have huge hero pools, it's only Akke and Bulldog that mostly play the same shit.
You're better off picking a team like Complexity there.
2. Loda, EGM and S4 have huge hero pools, it's only Akke and Bulldog that mostly play the same shit.
You're better off picking a team like Complexity there.
Shuggananas
Banned
Heh
But yeah garbage teams will logically have less heroes picked
Gentle Rodriguez
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She's incredibly versatile too, not likely to get banned in the first phase but likely to get picked up early as you can decide whether she's a core or support later. Pre-TI4 Mirana things.
Shuggananas
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I just hope that EG gets fucking destroyed at shanghai. Secret too.
Looking up Alliance player stats to see how many different heroes they have ever played over the course of their entire pro career.
"Huge Hero Pools"
Loda: 37
EGM: 49 (probably 1/3 of those are core by rough estimate from his time away from Alliance)
S4: 25
"Play the Same Shit"
Akke: 24
Bulldog: 36
Shave maybe 3-5 heroes off each of those totals to remove some edge cases, like Bulldog has a single Omni game, etc)
their hero pool across their entire pro career is hardly relevant to the predictions for the the shanghai major. what are those same stats for 6.86?
Gentle Rodriguez
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What Prat said, you're looking at the wrong stats(and btw, a carry player playing 38 different heroes does qualify as a huge hero pool). Look at the amount of heroes Alliance picked at Starladder and compare it to the other teams counts, I'd check it but I have no idea where to find that info.
Alliance picks in the last 3 months (+/- the duration of 6.86)
seems like a decent sized pool of heroes with 3 or more picks.
PS: Holy shit, just noticed Invoker has a 57.51% pick rate and 53.4% WR in 5k+... Just give him the Storm and Troll treatment already.
seems like a decent sized pool of heroes with 3 or more picks.
PS: Holy shit, just noticed Invoker has a 57.51% pick rate and 53.4% WR in 5k+... Just give him the Storm and Troll treatment already.
Wish Dotabuff broke heroes down per player. I used datdota for my post and it was only current to mid-January. I dunno, I'm not very good at pulling stats like that, I just get kinda tired of seeing Bulldog always disregarded as a guy with a tiny hero pool when I know he has played a lot of different heroes over his career. I was actually kind of surprised to find S4's pool so small. Obviously it's going to ebb and flow a lot with what's strong and popular. The Bulldog stereotype is probably a little more true now because almost every one of his signature heroes is a meta monster currently.
edit: Also let's be clear here, I wasn't ever trying to influence anybody's predictions. That was for my own edification. As stated above, Alliance could potentially go far this tournament, which is reason enough to not consider them for fewest heroes played.
edit: Also let's be clear here, I wasn't ever trying to influence anybody's predictions. That was for my own edification. As stated above, Alliance could potentially go far this tournament, which is reason enough to not consider them for fewest heroes played.
Gentle Rodriguez
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You took my post the wrong way, I'm one of the biggest Bulldog fanboys around, I definitely don't think he's a "two hero player", but while he can play lots of offlane heroes they generally give him his best heroes(because why the fuck wouldn't you) and that makes his hero pool look smaller than it is. Same deal to a lesser extent with Akke and Dazzle, Chen, etc. My post was only taking into account that prediction thing, which doesn't care whether you play a hero once or ten times, so yeah S4 might play DP only but he might also just pull out a random Nyx or DK, which makes Alliance a bad pick.
You want teams that like to pick comfort heroes and are slated to exit the tournament early on.
You want teams that like to pick comfort heroes and are slated to exit the tournament early on.
Oh man that nerf. I was just practicing the invoker combo too (I like the hero but I'm pretty bad with him). Does deafening still knockback at all now, or does it just let people cast stuff but not move (like a CM freeze, kind of)?
Now it seems you can just get a blade mail or a Euls of your own and he can't really combo you at all.
Now it seems you can just get a blade mail or a Euls of your own and he can't really combo you at all.
Imp the Dimp
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Randomed Lycan twice in a row, lost twice and fed the second game. Oh well.
Wok
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