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Dota 2 |OT13| 6.86, our Pit Lord and savior

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Hylian7

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Chris R said:
Oh, and $8.50 for a single day ticket is a very reasonable price for a Major... Stadium better be FULL every single day.
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Wow that's extremely reasonable. TI tickets have always been reasonably priced too, I think they jumped to $100 for the whole week when it moved to Key Arena, and they were $50 back at Benaroya Hall.
 
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I've been running the same necro build and had alot success with.

Mek > atos/guardian grieves > gg/atos > aghs > octarine > sheep/shiva's

Usually decide between gg or atos first based on whether need to purge stuff. You become so hard to kill. +15 hp regen when low, almost 100% uptime on atos with octarine. 50 sec ult.

Dunno about varying it up but its been pretty good.
 
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Red UFO said:
I don't give a shit if the pros don't pick him Omniknight needs nuking from orbit.
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Oh look what came from orbit

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Like, I understand what you're saying, but you're completely missing how great his entire toolkit is. The level of sustain he can bring to a team is unparalleled IMO.

Edit: Hylian, http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/meta sort 5k+ by win rate.

A higher MMR omniknight is even more dangerous than one at lower MMR's if you ask me.

The fact that you think diffusal is enough to remove him makes me think you just haven't played against a good omni (which is entirely possible, he's not exactly super duper popular).
 
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Dreams-Visions

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Acinixys said:
Gross

Wish Valve would be as vigilant in their bans as Riot was, especially for shit like this

I dont care if you flame and act like an idiot in a game, but if you go out of your way to be malicious and a pig you deserve to be removed from the community
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but then how does valve make money off of you
 
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Had a really bizarre thing happen just now. I was playing Tinker, there was a Magnus that was definitely below the damage of Level 4 laser. I lasered him, the animation went off, but...nothing? It definitely hit him, he didn't take damage or get blinded. I didn't accidentally hit a creep. I'm downloading the replay as soon as it gets up to see what happened.
 
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Hylian7

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godelsmetric said:
the thing with diffusal blade is that while it is a good counter to omniknight, it's awkward on a lineup that doesn't naturally build diffusal
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It's not though, it's surprisingly better than you might think. It literally makes one of the heroes on the other team useless. I have bought Diffusal on plenty of non-natural Diffusal carriers and it's worked.
 
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twobear

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Hylian7 said:
It's not though, it's surprisingly better than you might think. It literally makes one of the heroes on the other team useless. I have bought Diffusal on plenty of non-natural Diffusal carriers and it's worked.
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it can work, but it's not optimal. worst case scenario, you're sinking 3k gold into a sub-optimal item for your hero build, to counter one hero...and it's not even an enemy core.
 
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twobear

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Hylian7 said:
It's the hero that's keeping their team afloat, seems pretty worth it to me.
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it's the hero that's keeping the team afloat if the rest of their team...does nothing.

omniknight boosts the survivability of their cores and lets them do stuff they wouldn't normally be able to do. get rid of that and you're left with...them doing what they're normally able to do, but you're down 3k gold.

so while it can work, it's by no means a home run, and that's reflected in his winrate.

i kind of think of it like card advantage in mtg. buying diffusal just to deal with omniknight is like a 2 for 1. yes you're getting rid of a big problem, but you're investing a lot to do it by missing out on an item you'd rather buy to deal with the rest of their team, and sometimes that's not enough.

[edit] i'm not saying diffusal blade against omniknight is a bad pickup even on heroes that aren't natural diffusal carriers, but it's definitely a fraught proposition
 
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godelsmetric said:
it's the hero that's keeping the team afloat if the rest of their team...does nothing.

omniknight boosts the survivability of their cores and lets them do stuff they wouldn't normally be able to do. get rid of that and you're left with...them doing what they're normally able to do, but you're down 3k gold.

so while it can work, it's by no means a home run, and that's reflected in his winrate.

i kind of think of it like card advantage in mtg. buying diffusal just to deal with omniknight is like a 2 for 1. yes you're getting rid of a big problem, but you're investing a lot to do it by missing out on an item you'd rather buy to deal with the rest of their team, and sometimes that's not enough.
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Sure, they still have four people left doing whatever, but you have five now. The odds are in your favor. On top of that, Diffusal is still decent on most Agi carries.
 
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call_kotaku

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actually, has there been a successful esports event in the Philippines? I just remember a couple of blowups, but those get more attention than well-run events.
 
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twobear

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Hylian7 said:
Sure, they still have four people left doing whatever, but you have five now. The odds are in your favor. On top of that, Diffusal is still decent on most Agi carries.
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my point is, you don't have five 'doing whatever', because you have one hero who's invested quite a lot of money into buying an item to counter their position four or five. that's why i say it's like a 2 for 1 trade (if you're buying it on a non-optimal hero just to deal with their omniknight).
 
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inkls

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Pratfall said:
inkls why do u hate strong independent support heroes
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because the fat blue mexcian man I loved got shot and was left for dead in a dumpster. Which means every single support player who nodded approvingly to that type of treatment must pay by enduring the same.
 
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Hylian7

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godelsmetric said:
my point is, you don't have five 'doing whatever', because you have one hero who's invested quite a lot of money into buying an item to counter their position four or five. that's why i say it's like a 2 for 1 trade (if you're buying it on a non-optimal hero just to deal with their omniknight).
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Which is one entire fifth of their team. It's not a bad investment.

Think of it this way. If there was some item in the game that made Tusk useless during 6.84, you would buy it, right?
 
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LiQuid!

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inkls said:
wow, how did you win a base race vs an ld and an np?
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At the end almost everybody was dead it was the Medusa vs the Furion. I don't even remember where the bear was. Either dead or trying to defend his throne. The Furion mega'd us while we were in their base. I think if he went for our throne instead he would have won.
 
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