What do you reckon heroes like PL and Lycan need to be viable, if split-pushing in general were to get a buff?
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What do you reckon heroes like PL and Lycan need to be viable, if split-pushing in general were to get a buff?
shira
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*Meracle
Furion is super squishy and super-balanced (he's easy to counter, easy to kill first in any fight, and doesn't do anything but auto-attack). And FYI I stopped playing split-push and building lothar's on him 2-3 months ago. Playing a ganking and support NP is more rewarding and appreciated by teammates (esp. pubs).
SteveWinwood
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"wtf why are you getting mek why no desolator"
manfestival
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anyone have any rage or celebration gifs from previous dota 2 tournaments? I am showing my coworkers videos and stuff of peoples emotional reactions to playing these games so they understand how invested people are emotionally. I gotta say that the MLG blops 2 video is hilarious and great for this but I need some dota 2 ones
Why would they nerf Furion again? You just said the reason he is the only legit splitpusher now is that he can show up, and you wan to nerf that? What they need is get the game back into balance, and also try to make 4p1 more legit and nerf deathball, specially with heroes like Veno and DK who might be a tad too strong atm.
4 protect 1 is boring as shit f that (just look at TI1). I'm fine with that strat being forever buried in the dredges that was old dota.
Icefrog has a choice to make with the heroes that rely on 4 protect 1 though: 1) leave them as rare picks (HoN style), 2) adapt them to new and evolved dota (i.e. early game buffs), or 3) try to slow the pace of the game to perhaps better integrate them in dual core lineups (ala TI2 and TI3--morphling/ck, AM/furion, DK/LD, etc...). I guess the fourth choice is to make 4 protect 1 viable again, how, without significant changes that probably strip away all he's tried to accomplish in the last 6 patches, idk.
Anbokr, you mentioned how the more aggressive meta is more fun, so we wouldn't want to get rid of it entirely. But we want a way to allow split pushers to have a chance to come online. So I reckon we need something that makes it take longer before the death ball reaches the T3 towers without actually nerfing the power of the deathball itself.
Edit: maybe reducing the cool down of Glyph? Let's you stall the 5-man push so split pushers come online but also stops those split pushers becoming too strong later on. And maybe help 4-protect-1 to an extent as well.
Edit: maybe reducing the cool down of Glyph? Let's you stall the 5-man push so split pushers come online but also stops those split pushers becoming too strong later on. And maybe help 4-protect-1 to an extent as well.
SteveWinwood
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Up everyone's magic resistance by 5%.
You can have an aggressive meta without having an exclusively 5 man aggressive meta. For example, encouraging 2-3 (like in the laning phase) man ganks or skirmishes over 5 man push through xp/gold bounty tweaks idk. The laning phase is getting shorter and shorter every patch though. I don't envy icefrog, he's got some tough choices to make.
Heavy's Sandvich
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When did Na'Vi cut AA and лох after the international 2?
almost to the half way point between 3 and presumably 4.
almost to the half way point between 3 and presumably 4.
How underlevelled are we talking?
Like when everyone else on my team hits 16, i'm hitting about 10 or so, maybe even lower. Mostly due to having to roam around a lot helping people or placing wards. Well and also getting nuked to death first in team fights.
If your team is still winning, then it's kinda just a sacrifice of playing a lone support roaming around. As long as your contribution got the rest of your team the start they needed it's fine. They are meant to take over from that point.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Jungle farm it up all day instead of sapping lane XP. Then roam (with smoke pref.), and kill things at 2-4.
And possibly buy Midas ofc.
Yeah, but what if we're not winning? I would love some tips on how to deal with that as CM
Hmmm so jungling CM is better than laning her?
I dunno, not selling me on how it's not fun #blazeitbro #mekbong
On a side note I've started watching draskyll's streaming antagonistically cuz I think he's an asshole but I should probably stop giving him views.
It all depends. Void ain't gonna appreciate you buggering off to the jungle whilst a strong offlane dominates him.
earth spirit, pudge, ursa, riki
or Brood
Gonna go with that, see if its possible to get a fast win.
Picks are in.
My team: Brood, Sven, Dk, CK, BS (whats with all the knights?)
Their Team: Disruptor, Pudge, PA, Clinkz, ES (COUNTERPICKER!)
Ok all Melee spanish Team, lets do this!
Technosteve
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How do i do that right click carry build for invoker?
So how do you delete this group/room in the chat box?
dunno how it got there and I'm the only one in there everytime I play.
Its a guild chat channel, as you can see by the little G in the top left corner. I assume the only way to remove it is by leaving the guild.
My friend the Undying was trying real hard for a Maelk award in this shit show.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/460697208
http://dotabuff.com/matches/460697208
Brood isn't already hard enough to kill? I'd only get sentries on her if they are. I guess it depends on the caliber of opponent you're facing. It's rare that I see a support show up to a Brood lane with sentries at the start but I'm in potato tier apparently.
Dreams-Visions
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I'm surprised at all this Alliance stress in here. Seems over-reactionary at best.
Talk to me in May when they've tested out all their gimmick and pocket strats and are drafting who they feel are their best comps to win the game. It's January, guys. Heroes aren't in the pool. Balance changes are pending. Teams are experimenting, testing the strengths and weaknesses of comps and learning lessons. Supposing that present success/failure is reflective of their current skill or ability to win in the game seems quite flawed. From my perspective, Alliance has nothing to prove and are treating the "regular season" as such. They aren't desperate for wins, and even then they're placing what? top 3 or 4 in everything I've seen them in. Let them work out their comps and revisit this discussion in a few months.
They just won 2 mill and people are talking about chopping their most important team members' heads off? ffs.
Talk to me in May when they've tested out all their gimmick and pocket strats and are drafting who they feel are their best comps to win the game. It's January, guys. Heroes aren't in the pool. Balance changes are pending. Teams are experimenting, testing the strengths and weaknesses of comps and learning lessons. Supposing that present success/failure is reflective of their current skill or ability to win in the game seems quite flawed. From my perspective, Alliance has nothing to prove and are treating the "regular season" as such. They aren't desperate for wins, and even then they're placing what? top 3 or 4 in everything I've seen them in. Let them work out their comps and revisit this discussion in a few months.
They just won 2 mill and people are talking about chopping their most important team members' heads off? ffs.
Me and a friend were losing it the first time we played against a Pudge. That was like or fourth or fifth game ever and we had no idea what the different heroes could do. I'd get hooked from out of nowhere and die before I could even move the camera to see the guy.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Alliance finished top 4 in this Lan. Not all is wrong.
Buff towers and/or nerf tower gold maybe?
Literally IG 2.0
Heavy's Sandvich
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5 months since the last international.
7 till the next one presumably.
Na'Vi aren't afraid to wield an axe to get themselves competitive.
even with all that said, admiral bulldog is Pascal cygan.
7 till the next one presumably.
Na'Vi aren't afraid to wield an axe to get themselves competitive.
even with all that said, admiral bulldog is Pascal cygan.
Dreams-Visions
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Not sure about that comparison unless I'm misunderstanding what you're alluding to. iG (and the rest of the dominant Chinese teams) went an extended period of time after TI2 not playing competitive Dota 2...and when they were they were not playing a mix of eastern and western style teams until a couple of months before TI3. As a result they weren't as ready as they could/should have been for TI3 and the results followed. Alliance is having no such experience. They continue to participate in what I would consider too many tournaments with teams of varying degrees of skill from all regions Dota 2 is available for play in. They're collecting plenty of experience and it will prepare them well to defend their championship belts when that season comes back around.
If anything I'd say a short break would do them some good. I don't know how they keep the schedule they have and don't want to kill someone. Suggesting replacement of players seems very, very misplaced from my purview.
Considering how he was, I'd say by far, the best off-lane sylla and furion player in the world, he shouldn't have a problem learning other heroes at a really high level, but he isn't. If you play sub-par compared to your team mates you're gonna get hate.
manfestival
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Kappa
Heavy's Sandvich
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Defence of bulldog ResidentSleeper
hes just been found out like franny jeffers.
hes just been found out like franny jeffers.
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