Gentle Rodriguez
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This is basically the DK strat
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Well Void is the best hero in the game
SteveWinwood
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its gonna be the same thing where mouz wins early and mid but VP holds on and wins late with that void
Edit okay maybe not
Edit okay maybe not
game 2 was the best one so far
Gentle Rodriguez
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I think Mouz got a grip on it after game 2, looking solid now.
Technosteve
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The carry on VP is terrible
So he's not uselessly pillow fighting enemies under his Chronosphere?
MoM isn't the only Void but it is a good one.
Why do you think MoM Void is bad?
Its a nice bridging item if you get a maelstrom as well. lots of DPS and you can farm pretty quickly in the jungle
In the early game, he isn't going to be fighting when his ult isn't up anyways so what does it matter?
I agree with you partially, but when he's behind, I think he has to go treads/mom. However in a game like this where he has complete freefarm... that's a major throw. Go midas/mjolnir first or bfury/treads (then mom maybe).
I don't think so really, It is basically all in on your first couple chronos to do work. I consider a good build to be one that is stable and does not require 100% early success.
If you take things slightly slower and farm for 5 minutes longer you have have maelstrom + midas and have roughly equivalent dps as MoM without the lifesteal(which is weak early game anyway) and increase your farm rate and secure your late game.
Gentle Rodriguez
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For the love of god learn how to finish games mouz
Captain Fish
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Maybe Windrangers need to focus more out of getting more out of focus fire? It seems like a pretty good steroid for taking out a single target, but the damage usually isn't there cause she builds utility stuff. I haven't tried maelstrom on her since they changed/fixed the simultaneous lightning proc, but maybe that would be super good now?
I dunno, I still enjoy the hero and she can be quite effective if you're just getting good shackles off, but she definitely doesn't have the team contribution of a Mirana. Maybe windrun needs an attack range aoe to make it more useful as a slow? That or some sort of team buff, like partial evasion on nearby allies?
I dunno, I still enjoy the hero and she can be quite effective if you're just getting good shackles off, but she definitely doesn't have the team contribution of a Mirana. Maybe windrun needs an attack range aoe to make it more useful as a slow? That or some sort of team buff, like partial evasion on nearby allies?
Midas/maelstrom is basically the same DPS as MoM without the drawback, it is up 100% of the time, it builds better into late game, and it secures you a baseline level of farm that MoM can't guarantee you.
I will say that MoM is better than agh's though. 4200 gold for 1 extra second duration and 20 seconds cooldown is like the worst aghs upgrade in the game.
Synderen is saying exactly what I am talking about.
You have to consider the Dota we have today that's all about the 5-minute 5-man death ball. You may not have the time to take 5 more minutes to farm real items. There may not even be a late game if the enemy death ball is too strong.
I grow tired of the death ball strats as well, especially on teams of uncoordinated pubs that will panic, myself included sometimes too.
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VP please kick illiadan you can get a chinese carry for half what you are paying him.
SteveWinwood
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I cant figure out what's worse
The camera work or vps teamfights
The camera work or vps teamfights
uhhh well MoM is 1900 monies, while Midas/Mael is what, 4kish? MoM's farming rate increase for void is comparable to a Midas, so you can just MoM>Mael too if you wanted.
rakkadakka
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GAH.
Man was hoping for VP to take it.
Man was hoping for VP to take it.
Prophet Steve
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Damnit, VP was so close. 
I felt bad for G on that game, and the spectator chat(not sure why I still have this shit enabled) was full of 2k mmr brazillians going "hurr, Invoker should've been the one initiating. Report Invoker duuurrr."
Game 3 wasn't close, that's the game where Pajkatt just demolished VP with his Slark.
Game 3 wasn't close, that's the game where Pajkatt just demolished VP with his Slark.
Void had 12 minutes of completely uncontested freefarm before deciding to suicide 3 times for no reason after picking up mom/treads. He could have easily had midas/maelstrom or a battlefury and snowballed from there. Every minute a game goes on, void gets exponentially stronger and stronger, not this game... Not to mention deathball 5 man would get completely destroyed by chrono + AA ult + meteor. These three kept VP in the game for so long and almost enabled a comeback, imagine a farmed void on top of that.
The loss is 100% on that void, they would have won had he played better.
You could have said the same thing about the first two games. Mouz should have won those easily, but ended up throwing them. In game 3, they almost managed to throw again despite a snowballed as all hell Slark.
Wasn't it just one bad teamfight where Slark died? My memory isn't very good.
This game was not really a deathball strat though, Mouz was running a ganking pick off oriented line up the whole series, not deathball. The void was getting complete free farm.
If you are up against a deathball, you should probably just not pick void. There are plenty of better heroes at fighting earlier. But if you do, there are plenty of other build options that allow you to fight relatively early, which all of the other hard carries that don't have chronosphere seem to manage just fine with.
You can also actually use chrono in a way that allows your teammates to contribute damage(and draft heroes that have the ability to do so, ie. not tree and centaur), so you don't have to go all in to try and 100 > 0 a hero in 4 seconds at the expense of everything else.
Well they lost a teamfight and suffered a few pickoffs here and there. Though, taken in a vacuum, I guess it wasn't that close, but considering how the first two games went...
JawesomeJaw
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EU hub is free now.
Gentle Rodriguez
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Are all the wildcard teams included in that?
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thanks GreyFace
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