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Dota 2 |OT5| TECHIES!!!
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I still don't know how mouz managed to lose that first game, I closed out the window and went out to do something else because I figured the game was pretty much over after mouz had a 10-1(I think) lead.
I wasn't watching the game in question, so I wasn't aware of all that. I was just refuting iamblades initial claim that MoM Void is always bad.
wakajawaka
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john freeman
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These were beautiful couple of weeks. Gonna miss EU hub. Sure as hell hope this isn't the last time they do something like this.
Procarbine
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But what will the kittens do now?
SteveWinwood
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were any of them actually adopted
Pretty sure Puck/Luna are worse
I'm going to miss the EU hub so much
EDIT: GD STUDIO DRUNK STREAM FUCK YES
fuck man I'm gonna miss euhub was fun to watch
I think I heard 5 were already adopted (10 total?)
I know Kathleesi got a white one, and Nelson is heading home with Jesus aka Ulf.
I never said it was always bad either. Nothing is always bad.
However, it is bad often enough that it really frustrates me when voids go first item MoM because reasons. IMO if you don't have a specific goal you are planning to accomplish with the MoM, and a specific plan on how you will be able to achieve that goal, you shouldn't be building it.
'I'm going to farm treads/MoM, rotate bot and leave my complete free farm lane and repeatedly try to force kills' doesn't qualify either.
Kuro back for a last all nighter of playing video games and answering stream chat
He gotta finish that fish game, bro.
call_kotaku
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What a ride euhub was
Hope it happens again next year BibleThump
Hope it happens again next year BibleThump
5 gig, 3 new heroes, do it Valve.
Wha? I'm struggling to think of any period in the game's lifespan where this many heroes were viable.
You mean like 10% right. Everyone is more viable than ever.
Except Undying, SB, Troll (Viable as fuck) and a few others. Even those three were picked in pro games.
Gentle Rodriguez
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Or 0% in pub play.
huh? Pretty much the only hero that isn't viable is SB imo and even he was experimented with recently by c9. I think an argument can be made that Sven (despite his many recent buffs) still isn't viable, that hero is just way too easily kited and warcry alone just doesn't cut it for mobility. Not to mention his manacosts are pretty crippling. Maybe someone will figure out a way to use him though, or bring back the DS + Mag + Sven combo that made reddit cry for a week.
Don't take not picked competitively or situational = not viable. Especially with these qualifiers, teams are going to pick what they are comfortable with, and often what they see other teams picking. Trends going to trend, remember when no one picked weaver before TI3 and then he was suddenly called OP two days into the group stages because some team owned with him and then everyone started picking him?
Year or so back BH and undying were first bans and considered too OP, then in a couple months they just dropped, no one picked/banned them anymore. Wisp/Batrider dissappeared for awhile, Naga too, then with a minor buff (bat), no buffs (wisp), and hell even some nerfs (naga), all three come surging back as "OP." Trendssssssssssss
This is a pipe dream but I do feel that there should be -some- mechanisms to promote more heroes seeing competitive play in any given tournament, fads or comfort zones or not.
Even something dumb like a (gimmick) tourney where in a Bo5, all bans carried over to subsequent games would make the entire set five times as interesting to watch..
Even something dumb like a (gimmick) tourney where in a Bo5, all bans carried over to subsequent games would make the entire set five times as interesting to watch..
It'd give people like Mushi even more of an edge
neurosisxeno
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Undying's changes make him pretty viable in my mind. Spirit Breaker will always be super niche. Troll is definitely viable just not as consistent as someone like Void, PL, or AM. Necrophos is the only hero seeing 0 play on the pro scene. For the month of April he was picked 0 times after all.
Well there was that time when some tourney ran Captain's Draft, that worked out pretty well.
However, for the International, I'd rather see good old CM. There's already side attractions and stuff for the entertainment factor.
However, for the International, I'd rather see good old CM. There's already side attractions and stuff for the entertainment factor.
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I don't know, too many bans makes things uninteresting as well. If teams get to eliminate too many heroes, it just makes trends stick around even longer. When teams used to get three first round bans, they would fall into comfortable cycle of banning the same 3 heroes over and over again, and OP or not, counters or not, these heroes never saw play and weren't really pushed to the limit. More bans doesn't necessarily mean more diverse play, could lead to the exact opposite.
And while things like CD are great fun and nice here and there, they can't ever replace CM. The game is balanced around CM as dota is all about picks and counterpicks, in other modes you'll often be able to get a hero that the enemy team has no possible way to counter at all, and that's just not good ol' fashioned dota.
Well, a lot of the current fads (e.g. Mirana every other EU game) result from the very mechanical "we get first pick after 4 bans", guarantee 3 of which are gonna be Wisp/Bat/Tree.
The fact that every game after the first is going to start off with more than 4 bans already shakes things up quite a bit, and doesn't go into randomized/chance territory of draft for example, since every single ban is the result of decisionmaking by both teams.
But yeah, still undoubtedly gimmick and there's no way main events would ever adopt a model like that.
The fact that every game after the first is going to start off with more than 4 bans already shakes things up quite a bit, and doesn't go into randomized/chance territory of draft for example, since every single ban is the result of decisionmaking by both teams.
But yeah, still undoubtedly gimmick and there's no way main events would ever adopt a model like that.
neurosisxeno
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I'm starting to suspect c9 is just trying to break the meta. Didn't they also pick SB and Troll in the same damn game lol?
C9 got stomped in that game though.
This doesn't really highlight the underlying issue of there being regional fads though (Lycan never seeing play in China due to his early push potential so he gets banned right off, Mirana in EU as mentioned, etc) which only ever come under serious pressure when the disparate regions meet up head-to-head.
If you broke down the percentage of picks/popularity by region you'd see a much higher distribution of heroes that simply never get picked or banned in that specific region.
Different regions running different stuff is a strength of the meta and the scene, not a weakness.
There will always be fads. You can give teams 50 bans in the first round, and discovered heroes #51-55 will become the new fads. And like Bo said, that's what makes dota awesome. China still valued ember spirit as a top pick for a long ass time after the west. The west values mirana way more than China. In China, anti-mage can actually win games. Makes things more interesting.
How is that an "underlying issue"?
Lactose_Intolerant
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Tobi already drunk
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he's a racists, American Dota is the only true dota.
I'm just bored shitless with Chinese DotA and that came out wrong.
p.s. I'm ethnic Chinese.
Baiting an avatar quote?
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I wished dota was popular in japan, we would probably see the best invokers coming fro japan.
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