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[Reizo Ryuu]

This is not on people, its on Ubisoft. They are the ones stating this game accuracy, not people.

And they have been stating accuracy since the first game in 2007, even though they aren't, that's what danjin is saying.

 

[Trilobit]

Man, Ubisoft gets more and more cringe each week.

 

[Tajaz2426]

I’m not going to mess with their culture. That is up to them. I was stationed at Camp Hanson there in Okinawa which is more Americanized, but I’ve also trained out of mainland in Iwakuni and they have their own culture and do not want intrusions into it.

You have men in tuxedos driving cabs, in tuxedos sweeping streets on almost every block. There are many places that white folks are not into and some places they do not want foreigners. You have a man at the Castle Iwakuni area, which is Kintai bridge I believe and an old master Samurai was training a youth to protect the inside of the city up to the mountain. I can dig that.

They aren’t hurting anyone being traditional. If they do not like being shit on, so be it. I have no opinion other than they can make their own.

 

[Kacho]

It's almost as if these people are genuinely 100% certifiably crazy when they can't read the landscape and obviously can't help themselves making stupid decisions

They know exactly what they're doing and they think they can get away with it. IPs are too big to fail, the anti-woke snowflakes will fall in line and gobble up our modern audience slop, etc.

Get fucked.

 

[Danjin44]

And they have been stating accuracy since the first game in 2007, even though they aren't, that's what danjin is saying.

Exactly, I don’t think none of AC games were ever accurate to the history.

Also I’m not saying Ubisoft has no fault in this, maybe they shouldn’t advertise their games being accurate when actually are not….But I also think drama surrounding is little overblown.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Isn’t Airi Hispano a Japanese women sumo wrestler and won a national chip for them or am I tripping lol seems like fake outcry to me who cares just play the game or don’t. Either it fails or it’s awesome

Women’s sumo rings are not consecrated tho.

 

[Raven117]

How the hell are we on page three and nobody is an “expert” on Japanese culture with shame being big parts of it?

Y’all are slipping

 

[Topher]

Exactly, I don’t think none of AC games were ever accurate to the history.

Also I’m not saying Ubisoft has no fault in this, maybe they shouldn’t advertise their games being accurate when actually are not….But I also think drama surrounding is little overblown.

I don't think any of the previous AC games were scrutinized as much as Shadows has been. As someone who throughly enjoys AC games, I've never given two shits about the historical accuracy. To be honest, I've just assumed most of it to be bullshit considering there are fictional versions of real historical figures handing out missions to assassins and crap like that. And most of them are just absurd. But now everything is under the "woke" microscope and I get it, but my threshold for that kind of thing is fairly high. If I can push through all the bullshit in Spider-man 2 then a female sumo wrestler isn't going to raise these eyebrows.

 

[IDKFA]

AC is a fantasy game. It doesn't need to be historically accurate.

Move on, people. Nothing to see here.

 

[Hugare]

I find people that act like a videogame should be historically accurate cringe. It's a videogame not real life and it's about having fun first and foremost. Nothing you do in any assassin's creed game is historically accurate or realistic, so why are we acting like this game should be.

If you are making a video game about a real period in history, then changing stuff like this can be immersion breaking

It's like making a game about the american civil war, but everyone is asian. "But it's a videogame" my ass.

You either go full adaptation or full alternative history like the new Wolfenstein games. This retarded middle ground is just the worst.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

This is so funny I can't believe some people in the US were serious when deciding on that shit. You can't make this up.

 

[Topher]

This is so funny I can't believe some people in the US were serious when deciding on that shit. You can't make this up.

People in the US were deciding on what shit?

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

People in the US were deciding on what shit?

To put this landwhale into the game. Or was this some Canadian studio?

 

[Topher]

To put this landwhale into the game. Or was this some Canadian studio?

French Canadian studio owned by French publisher

 

[Soodanim]

So if there's evidence of amateur women sumo from back then this Twitter drama isn't quite as well founded as it confidently claimed.

At this point it just seems like an attempt to beat a dead horse.

 

[Alx]

AC is a fantasy game. It doesn't need to be historically accurate.

Move on, people. Nothing to see here.

Nah I'm pretty sure the previous episodes made sure to be very accurate, what with the real Assassin's sect fighting with wolverine-inspired blades, working with Leonardo da Vinci to build functional flying machines, and collecting alien artifacts from an extinct civilization to fight a secret conspiracy led by Templar Knights.
Female Sumotoris though ? That crosses a line !

 

[Ozriel]

If you are making a video game about a real period in history, then changing stuff like this can be immersion breaking

It's like making a game about the american civil war, but everyone is asian. "But it's a videogame" my ass.

You either go full adaptation or full alternative history like the new Wolfenstein games. This retarded middle ground is just the worst.

But Female sumo fighters existed in that time period…

Someone dropped this in that Twitter thread as a rebuttal, but OP happily dodged it

 

[adamsapple]

At this point it just seems like an attempt to beat a dead horse.

First AC Shadows LectureMaster thread?

 

[PeteBull]

To put this landwhale into the game. Or was this some Canadian studio?

Ubi quebec indeed, and we know how french canadiands are nowadays

 

[Digital-Aftertaste]

"Famle"

 

[IDKFA]

If you are making a video game about a real period in history, then changing stuff like this can be immersion breaking

It's like making a game about the american civil war, but everyone is asian. "But it's a videogame" my ass.

You either go full adaptation or full alternative history like the new Wolfenstein games. This retarded middle ground is just the worst.

Sure. If this was a historical game I'd agree. However, AC is a fantasy/sci-fi game and historical accuracy doesn't matter.

 

[realcool]

She Honda

 

[SHA]

I find people that act like a videogame should be historically accurate cringe. It's a videogame not real life and it's about having fun first and foremost. Nothing you do in any assassin's creed game is historically accurate or realistic, so why are we acting like this game should be.

That's basically Asmongolds way, he makes arguments but clearly act like he know nothing about the series and make it like it's just about the newest game.

 

[Sebastian1295]

If you are making a video game about a real period in history, then changing stuff like this can be immersion breaking

It's like making a game about the american civil war, but everyone is asian. "But it's a videogame" my ass.

You either go full adaptation or full alternative history like the new Wolfenstein games. This retarded middle ground is just the worst.

You can't go full adaptation because it's never going to be realistic in any sense of the word ever no matter what you do. Your player character is always going to be wiping out hoards of guys or taking on impossible feats which breaks the historical accuracy argument immediately. You can make a game about a real time in history and put your own spin on it and i don't see the problem with it. I don't play games expecting things to be accurate but that's just me.

 

[Ozriel]

To put this landwhale into the game. Or was this some Canadian studio?

I’m not sure if you guys are arguing that Sumo warriors are to be revered and Ubisoft is wrong and desecrating the culture for putting a female Sumo in…

While also shit-talking Sumo warriors by calling them ‘land whales’.

 

[existensmaximum]

Well, they have insulted pretty much every other culture with embarrassing inaccuracies so why not the Japanese? Let's not pretend their games are suddenly historically or culturally accurate or something.

 

[H From Steps]

Nah I'm pretty sure the previous episodes made sure to be very accurate, what with the real Assassin's sect fighting with wolverine-inspired blades, working with Leonardo da Vinci to build functional flying machines, and collecting alien artifacts from an extinct civilization to fight a secret conspiracy led by Templar Knights.
Female Sumotoris though ? That crosses a line !

 

[Alx]

Sure. If this was a historical game I'd agree. However, AC is a fantasy/sci-fi game and historical accuracy doesn't matter.

Besides, I'm not exactly sure if they kept the "Abstergo" part of the plot, but in most games what you're experiencing is a simulation, based on "DNA memories" but with some software development around it. So in a meta way, you're playing someone playing a video game, with the same studio biases appearing in the simulation. I think it was in Black Flag, you could explore the development office and read memos commenting on the content of the simulation, and marketing potential for such and such character.

 

[Alexios]

They should really look at the accuracy & respect Japanese made games give their own, for sure.
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[HeisenbergFX4]

French Canadian studio owned by French publisher

The French did it?

Explains a lot

 

[Hugare]

You can't go full adaptation because it's never going to be realistic in any sense of the word ever no matter what you do. Your player character is always going to be wiping out hoards of guys or taking on impossible feats which breaks the historical accuracy argument immediately.

There's "suspension of disbelief" tho.

You never stop to think during Uncharted that Nathan Drake is a mass murderer.
If he looked like Donut Drake tho, you'd be calling the game absurd.

It has to be realistic just enough without getting absurd.

But Female sumo fighters existed in that time period…

Someone dropped this in that Twitter thread as a rebuttal, but OP happily dodged it

I avoided saying anything about this topic because I wasnt informed enough to say if it was right or wrong.

The whole Yasuke thing tho, is absurd imo.

Sure. If this was a historical game I'd agree. However, AC is a fantasy/sci-fi game and historical accuracy doesn't matter.

See what I said above.

Leonardo helping Ezio was ok because it didnt seem absurd. It held my suspension of disbelief. If he was a woman instead, tho, it would have been too much. Or made Borgia asian. You get what Im saying?

 

[Topher]

If you are making a video game about a real period in history, then changing stuff like this can be immersion breaking

It's like making a game about the american civil war, but everyone is asian. "But it's a videogame" my ass.

You either go full adaptation or full alternative history like the new Wolfenstein games. This retarded middle ground is just the worst.

Asians in the American civil war? This isn't remotely comparable to something like that. I'l just disagree that fiction has to either be completely accurate or alternate reality. I see nothing wrong with writers taking liberties in order to craft a story.

 

[gokurho]

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AC Shadows is going to feature a female sumo wrestler.

Ok, for those who don't know: it is strictly forbidden for women to become professional sumo wrestlers to this day in Japan. Hell, it is even forbidden for women to get into many (if not all of them) sacred places in Japan, including a sumo ring.

The fact is that this is a tradition taken so seriously to this date that a few years ago, more precisely in 2018, some female paramedics had to step on the ring to help a guy that collapsed and they were readily told to leave the ring immediately, even thou they were there to help.

And after the women left, the tournament staff threw salt in the ring again to purify it, because women are seen as impure in Japanese religious culture.

This is how much they respect this tradition.

Now I won't discuss if this is right or wrong here, it is what it is and It's none of my business since I am not born in Japan.

Ok, back to AC Shadows: they putting a female sumo wrestler to represent the biggest and most important martial art in Japan's history in this game, even thou only men can become professional sumo wrestlers, is clearly another indication (like we still needed huh) that they never had the intention to properly represent the Japanese culture.

They only want to disrespect Japan, Japanese people and their culture.

They don't care about anything but to shove their own personal beliefs of what is right and what is wrong into this game, period.

I love sumo, I really do. And seeing they doing this with such a beautiful aspect of the Japanese culture makes me even less interested in this game.

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This is not correct. Women were banned from participating in professional sumo recently, around the 18th century.

 

[JCK75]

Gorlock the Destroyer cameo

 

[Kacho]

That Asmon clip almost has 1 million views

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Besides, I'm not exactly sure if they kept the "Abstergo" part of the plot

Nothing has changed, would be weird to, since abstergo is just a front for the modern day templars and the main antagonists of the actual story.

 

[Alexios]

I don't think any of the previous AC games were scrutinized as much as Shadows has been. As someone who throughly enjoys AC games, I've never given two shits about the historical accuracy. To be honest, I've just assumed most of it to be bullshit considering there are fictional versions of real historical figures handing out missions to assassins and crap like that. And most of them are just absurd. But now everything is under the "woke" microscope and I get it, but my threshold for that kind of thing is fairly high. If I can push through all the bullshit in Spider-man 2 then a female sumo wrestler isn't going to raise these eyebrows.

When they talk authenticity they obviously always mean on a superficial level, ie, pretty recognizable building and attire here and there anyway. Pretty sure they always have warnings about the historical persons and events and what not being not real history and always stated how the devs were of multi cultural or whatever backgrounds to avoid exactly this sort of criticism (hey we're not racist, devs of that race helped make it all, lol) that's now going next level with cancel culture snowflakes everywhere (from ppl criticizing exactly that every waking moment, lol). But nope, the pope's an alien.

 

[IDKFA]

There's "suspension of disbelief" tho.

You never stop to think during Uncharted that Nathan Drake is a mass murderer.
If he looked like Donut Drake tho, you'd be calling the game absurd.

It has to be realistic just enough without getting absurd.


I avoided saying anything about this topic because I wasnt informed enough to say if it was right or wrong.

The whole Yasuke thing tho, is absurd imo.


See what I said above.

Leonardo helping Ezio was ok because it didnt seem absurd. It held my suspension of disbelief. If he was a woman instead, tho, it would have been too much. Or made Borgia asian. You get what Im saying?

Lol. LMAO, even

But the aliens, Assassin–Templar War and complete nonsense history is okay. As long as Cesare Borgia isn't an Asian. That would be the step too far?!?!

Fucking hell. Thanks for the laughs.

 

[Hugare]

Lol. LMAO, even

But the aliens, Assassin–Templar War and complete nonsense history is okay. As long as Cesare Borgia isn't an Asian. That would be the step too far?!?!

Fucking hell. Thanks for the laughs.

This is why I dont give a damn about modern day AC storyline (as most people)

Ezio's story is a fan favorite cause it had almost none of this shit.

 

[Topher]

This is why I dont give a damn about modern day AC storyline (as most people)

Ezio's story is a fan favorite cause it had almost none of this shit.

And the part where Ezio was having a sword fight with the Pope over an alien artifact? Come on now. The entire series is based on bullshit like this.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

When they talk authenticity they obviously always mean on a superficial level, ie, pretty recognizable building and attire here and there anyway. Pretty sure they always have warnings about the historical persons and events and what not being not real history and always stated how the devs were of multi cultural or whatever backgrounds to avoid exactly this sort of criticism (hey we're not racist, devs of that race helped make it all, lol) that's now going next level with cancel culture snowflakes everywhere (from ppl criticizing exactly that every waking moment, lol). But nope, the pope's an alien.

How many Japanese scholars were asked for advice in making this game? I can easily guess.

Ubisoft has acted in bad faith and that's why they are attacked, nothing more. Compare that to Sucker Punch's approach with Ghost of Tsushima.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Honestly, I already knew that off the cuff.

You can pretend like Ubisoft new, and did it anyway, but we all know they didn’t.

These idiots made a game about Japan without any research. They knew less about Japan than I know, off the cuff.

That’s still not as bad as I make fun of you for buying a Ubisoft game this obviously shitty and woke at launch at full price. What is wrong with people lol? By all means, pick it up. You obviously don’t care what the game industry becomes, if you will play this slop. Nothing they will ever make will be worse than this, so you’re good.

 

[SJRB]

AC is a fantasy game. It doesn't need to be historically accurate.

Move on, people. Nothing to see here.

Keep in mind that Ubi brought this upon themselves by insisting that Shadows was historically accurate.

A lot of the complaints may seem kinda childish and pedantic, but all of this is because Ubisoft double-downed on the historical accuracy of their game.

Actions have consequences.

 

[Rudius]

As if we need more fat women

 

[IDKFA]

Keep in mind that Ubi brought this upon themselves by insisting that Shadows was historically accurate.

A lot of the complaints may seem kinda childish and pedantic, but all of this is because Ubisoft double-downed on the historical accuracy of their game.

Actions have consequences.

Ubisoft talk shit.

Valhalla would have shown the Vikings raping and enslaving people if their games were really historically accurate. We know they're not. It's sci-fi fantasy and always has been.

 

[Braag]

I will buy AC Shadows only if I can fly a dragon and conquer all the different regions as Yasuke and then become the emperor of Japan.
It is fantasy after all.

 

[Kamina]

Ubi seems to be only employing retards.

 

[Tams]

The Spanish Inquisition were more suprising.

 

[Complistic]

Ubisoft, LOL #37

 

[Lokaum D+]

But Female sumo fighters existed in that time period…

Someone dropped this in that Twitter thread as a rebuttal, but OP happily dodged it

yeah, makes sense, lets portrait one of Japan's greatest traditions using the lowest denominator possible, Ubisoft already offended Japan culture in every way they could, nothing more ll impress me, so, like we say in Brazil " what is a fart for those who have already shat themselves?"