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Dota 2 |OT7| What the fuck have they done
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he mad
I'm a huge fan of Arcanes on Necro personally. Win rate shot up since I switched from Phase.
Not early game, and not when you're against heroes like WR who can outlast hit you for days.
Glutton for punishment.
Imp the Dimp
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A carry with 16k worth of items should not be easy to deal with. I just think that the nerf was really harsh.
And if it was too harsh? Who cares, there are 107 other heroes to play.
Imp the Dimp
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I love playing him. I love ratting, I love wrecking late game and I'm an extremely selfish player who does not rely on potentially unreliable team mates. TB was one of the heroes who could win games single-handedly if played correctly. Obviously not the only hero to accomplish that but surely, one of the most fun to me. Naga needs a timely Radiance and your team needs to make enough space for you to farm it which is why she was worse in pubs than TB.
Furthermore, you could just jungle him if your team drafted shitty ass lanes. I always pick and play greedily and barely ever leave winning to my team mates.
A++++++++++ credit to Dota would play with again
Imp the Dimp
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You can't push towers early unless they are not guarded. Any hero with an AEO nuke gets rid of your illusions at an instant until you stack a lot of stats. It's a crazy harsh nerf.
Do you read what you're writing?
*Avatar quote*
So what you're saying is, heroes who work well against illusions, also work well against TB illusions? And I am supposed to feel as though this is unfair?
But dude, TB can't solo push an entire lane in 30s with two items anymore. So unfair!
Imp the Dimp
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Not really sure what you are on about tbh. 450% means it's easier to get rid of his illusions and he can't jungle effectively which I find disappointing. Surely that's a statement simple enough for you not to misinterpret again? He probably needed a mild nerf but instead he got nerfed extremely harshly.
I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, it's just that what you seem to be complaining about is that heroes with AOE nukes are now hard counters to your illusions which...seems about right to me?
Imp the Dimp
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I don't really get why you are doing this.
edit: Actually, you might've as well put a full stop at the end of your post to not irritate me as much because I'm genuinely tired of answering questions. If your opinion is that he was nerfed correctly, so be it. I think he's gonna vanish from the pro scene gradually. He was never a thing in pubs to begin with.
My buddy just looked at this on his mobile and it looks crazy. Like.. it is black and white but certain things are bright green/red in a neon type thing.
GordonHalfman
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It seems very early for another balance patch, especially for someone just added to CM. I mean first ban for one month == nerf bat is a bit knee jerk.
I'm not saying he wasn't too good, in fact I wouldn't be that surprised if he hasn't hit his full potential and ends up needing to be nerfed a bit more next time, but I think they could have let it sit for a bit longer.
On the plus side the new sunder range seems pretty nice. It's a fucking good spell, I don't think it's that easy to play around at all.
I'm not saying he wasn't too good, in fact I wouldn't be that surprised if he hasn't hit his full potential and ends up needing to be nerfed a bit more next time, but I think they could have let it sit for a bit longer.
On the plus side the new sunder range seems pretty nice. It's a fucking good spell, I don't think it's that easy to play around at all.
A Sentient Keyboard
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The only hero that needs to be wiped from the earth is Silencer, the rest is merely annoying at worst.
DivineRage002
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manfestival
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last night I had a terrorblade that jungled on our team. He ended up becoming super strong and had insane farm like usual. I dont understand TB and why its so hard for valve to balance him. Dude was even killed a bunch early on by ganks
Imp the Dimp
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He was barely played in pubs and had an unimpressive pub winrate after the 1st round of nerfs. I can't believe you encountered TBs that regularly. According to Dotabuff plus, I played a whopping 11 (!) matches against him with my 2500 games main account. Prior to his inclusion into CM, he was like #90+ in terms of matches played among all heroes. Nobody played him and I genuinely doubt the hero is any good in <VH bracket given that you need moderate micro skills to maximize your farm.
Terrorblade undoubtedly deserved a nerf, that much is true. Dude was hella broken even after his str nerf.
I am of the opinion however that the damage taken enrf was way too big, and I'd liek to see it scaled back in trade of mana cost on Reflection, which I think it's the main problem since he can spam those non stop after thread switching+ aquilla regen.
I am of the opinion however that the damage taken enrf was way too big, and I'd liek to see it scaled back in trade of mana cost on Reflection, which I think it's the main problem since he can spam those non stop after thread switching+ aquilla regen.
Nothing to do with the frequency that I see him or how often I get beat by him. He's a trash hero whose only purpose is to punish fun. F-, back to the drawing board on this one, IF.
"punish fun". Who are you? Morello?
That was only for Team Tinker due to issues with them being DQed and their opponent wasn't expecting to play them so they didn't have a full team. Doesn't apply to regular play.
Shorty11857
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To be fair letting Tinker play with a full lineup would also be unfair to the other team.
The admins basically screwed up and just kept making terrible decisions trying to fix it
Team Tinker wanted to postpone a game, admin said they could, other team was not asked. Other team then said that they couldn't postpone because they had two players travelling the next day, Tinker were told to play, and couldn't so were given forfeit
Next day the forfeit was reversed but the other team couldn't field a full lineup which would have given Tinker an unfair advantage so the admins made the stupid decision of forcing Tinker to use standins
Basically Tinker should have never been told they could delay the game, and the admins just kept finding ways to make it worse
Heavy's Sandvich
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So when I said dreamleague was a circus last year, I was completely right then?
The admins this year are not the same as last year.
Heavy's Sandvich
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So the whole compendium/invoker stuff wasn't circus like?
I don't remember, it might have been, but whether that Dreamleague was circus like has little impact on how circus like these admins are. They could both be, I dunno.
Heavy's Sandvich
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One flows from the other.
In our 4th year of Dota competitions.
Dreamhack aren't strangers to esports and they're still having issues.
In our 4th year of Dota competitions.
Dreamhack aren't strangers to esports and they're still having issues.
TB is fine, arguably still too strong, we'll see.
Hero was probably the most op thing in dota for a looong time, i enjoyed my free wins while they lasted (aka a whole year). I haven't played post-nerf TB yet, but i suspect he's still pretty auto win. In typical icefrog fashion, his strengths didn't get nerfed at all, and once he has skadii, his illusions are still hella tanky. You can't just get treads + aquila + yasha now and expect to automatically win the game now, skadii is to TB what radiance is to Naga (though even now, TB is still a better early game fighter/pusher than naga is).
He's still one of the biggest late game monstrosities and best tower pushers in the game, it's just a little more difficult to get him to mid to late game now, as it should be. "Hey guys let's prevent the TB from getting uhhh, treads I guess. O shit he has treads, well guess we lost." Now you actually have a nice goal to aim for when shutting down this hard carry, prevent his illusions from getting too tanky. Nothing has changed late game for TB aside from his 5th or 6th item perhaps going from Daedalus to satanic/heart.
Anyhow, milk and I were arguing about TB a bunch a day or two ago, and we both agreed he's still good, but milk thinks he's still fp/fb; I think he's second round pick/ban and more situaional like post-nerf Lycan. We'll see what happens at the latest LAN, maybe we're both wrong.
Hero was probably the most op thing in dota for a looong time, i enjoyed my free wins while they lasted (aka a whole year). I haven't played post-nerf TB yet, but i suspect he's still pretty auto win. In typical icefrog fashion, his strengths didn't get nerfed at all, and once he has skadii, his illusions are still hella tanky. You can't just get treads + aquila + yasha now and expect to automatically win the game now, skadii is to TB what radiance is to Naga (though even now, TB is still a better early game fighter/pusher than naga is).
He's still one of the biggest late game monstrosities and best tower pushers in the game, it's just a little more difficult to get him to mid to late game now, as it should be. "Hey guys let's prevent the TB from getting uhhh, treads I guess. O shit he has treads, well guess we lost." Now you actually have a nice goal to aim for when shutting down this hard carry, prevent his illusions from getting too tanky. Nothing has changed late game for TB aside from his 5th or 6th item perhaps going from Daedalus to satanic/heart.
Anyhow, milk and I were arguing about TB a bunch a day or two ago, and we both agreed he's still good, but milk thinks he's still fp/fb; I think he's second round pick/ban and more situaional like post-nerf Lycan. We'll see what happens at the latest LAN, maybe we're both wrong.
manfestival
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So whats the argument going against picking up vanguard on spectre? Especially if there are no other crimson guard heroes on your team. I feel like that item has semi late game viability
Imp the Dimp
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Death Prophet & Brewmaster zzzzZZZZzzzz
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