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Silent Hill 2 is the best remake of all time.
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cortadew
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By that same logic the OG silent hill 2 camera makes it look like cheesy classic survival horror games like re1, galerians and alone in the dark
Heimdall_Xtreme
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rodrigolfp
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Is the point of slow survival horrors...
cortadew
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No, limited action and feeling vulnerable is the point of Survival horror. James is not an action hero that can kill 1000 mannequins at the same time.
rodrigolfp
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No, surviving the horror is the point of Survival horror, doesn't matter if your char is retarded or not.
cortadew
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Low level IQ take
cortadew
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Yes surviving the horror through a gameplay that limits action, make the character feel vulnerable, reduces resources, etc etc
gow3isben
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I Mog you in gym any day punk
fart town usa
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Nah. You know why? Because Silent Hill 2make's fatal flaw is that it's a remake of SH2. This is not debatable.
It's too damn long for the story that SH2 tells. It's like comically, absurdly long. Good game though? 100%. Not anywhere near the best remake of all time though.
Best remake is still REmake.
It's too damn long for the story that SH2 tells. It's like comically, absurdly long. Good game though? 100%. Not anywhere near the best remake of all time though.
Best remake is still REmake.
Ulysses 31
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Fixed camera's are cheesy because those games were cheesy? What a weird stretch. I doubt the cheese in those games came from the cinematography, in RE1's case it definitely came from the voice acting and lines during gameplay and the cut scenes.
The subject matter in SH2 and the way it's handled makes it hard to call it cheesy.
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Dr.Morris79
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Hugare
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Funny, cause I think REmake is so much longer than the original
SH 2 is long but the pacing is pitch perfect. I wouldnt have changed a thing. The hotel alone is a game on itself and I loved it.
The story could have been told in 2h, sure. But its all about the journey, man.
fart town usa
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I prefer RE 96 over REmake, so no issue from me with any type or critique towards REmake.Funny, cause I think REmake is so much longer than the original
SH 2 is long but the pacing is pitch perfect. I wouldnt have changed a thing. The hotel alone is a game on itself and I loved it.
The story could have been told in 2h, sure. But its all about the journey, man.
fart town usa
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You can move the camera in SH2 though. It doesn't have fixed camera angles like classic RE. Silent Hill has never had fixed camera angles like classic RE.
James Sawyer Ford
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I never played Silent Hill 2 on the original release for PS2.
So I came in fresh for SH2. It's an excellent game, but it has enough flaws where I don't think it's the best remake of all time. My main complaint is:
1) Not enough time exploring the town
2) Some puzzles were cool, other puzzles felt like just a random mish mash of things thrown together just to say you had a puzzle. I wish the level design was more intricately rational and woven into the puzzle system. I feel like RE gets this aspect a little bit better at times (such as when you're exploring the house in RE7)
3) Story isn't all that great to me, I am not seeing the depth other people are. And certain characters are just plain weird and don't come across as authentic.
Silent Hill 2 is absolutely outstanding when it comes to ambiance, atmosphere, soundtrack, and overall vibes.
So I came in fresh for SH2. It's an excellent game, but it has enough flaws where I don't think it's the best remake of all time. My main complaint is:
1) Not enough time exploring the town
2) Some puzzles were cool, other puzzles felt like just a random mish mash of things thrown together just to say you had a puzzle. I wish the level design was more intricately rational and woven into the puzzle system. I feel like RE gets this aspect a little bit better at times (such as when you're exploring the house in RE7)
3) Story isn't all that great to me, I am not seeing the depth other people are. And certain characters are just plain weird and don't come across as authentic.
Silent Hill 2 is absolutely outstanding when it comes to ambiance, atmosphere, soundtrack, and overall vibes.
MiguelItUp
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Still absolutely loved this remake, definitely one of my favorites, and I adored the original.
I hope it did better than we all assume, because it was definitely well deserving of success.
I still hate that some people tried to paint it as "woke garbage", when it absolutely wasn't. It was as accurate as it could be to the original. Hell, in some cases it almost felt darker.
I hope it did better than we all assume, because it was definitely well deserving of success.
I still hate that some people tried to paint it as "woke garbage", when it absolutely wasn't. It was as accurate as it could be to the original. Hell, in some cases it almost felt darker.
bender
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1000% this.
Zacfoldor
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The story is crazy but only really happens in the last little bit of the game. If you get the wrong ending, it will make no sense. The story is so good because at first it seems like a RE1 level story full of plot holes and random shit, but turns out every single detail has a purpose and meaning. Once you’ve done a deep dive understanding the implications of for example what each area is or why each enemy type is represented as such, the game dives down into some rarely spelled out emotions in ANY media. These things should not be spelled out so perfectly in a cheesy horror game. Really the perfect story. The implications!
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James Sawyer Ford
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Any good videos on YouTube explaining it?
xenosys
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Having been someone that played Silent Hill, knows about Silent Hill 2 OG but never actually played it, I came into SH2R with very few expectations and I was pleasantly surprised.
9/10 experience. 1st half was excellent. 2nd half dragged on a little at times, and the lack of enemy variety started to become an issue for me. Not the greatest remake for me.
For 1:1 remakes, Dead Space is outstanding. For more creative remakes, Rebirth is still the best one so far.
9/10 experience. 1st half was excellent. 2nd half dragged on a little at times, and the lack of enemy variety started to become an issue for me. Not the greatest remake for me.
For 1:1 remakes, Dead Space is outstanding. For more creative remakes, Rebirth is still the best one so far.
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cinnamonandgravy
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didnt play the original, just beat the remake, and am now doing new game+.
beating the game gives context to all the weird little details you notice throughout the game.
like how a bunch of dead bodies look like james.
or a coffee poster telling james to "spill the beans" over an "honest coffee".
one of the few games ive done new game+ right after beating it.
Hydroxy
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Game has a major flaw, it has severe pacing issues. Og was 9 hrs, remake is been extended to double that length in order to justify the $70 price tag. Due to this some sections far overstay their welcome. For example I'm currently at the apartments and it's going on too long. I've also heard some of the later areas are a slog too. Too much time spent indoors and dungeons and not enough outside exploring the town. I don't like games that artificially pad out the length to justify the price tag. But still overall its a very good game so far, lovely atmosphere and graphics and music, voice acting etc. Everything is on point except for the extended length.
KiteGr
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He is supposed to be.
There have been many discussions on the original that the clunky controls are part of the character's inexperience.
In the remake they even made sure that he'll waste a bullet the first time you'll attempt to aim your gun.
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Team Andromeda
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What is the against the odds ? Blair Witch and the Medium showed how good the team was and one knew they'd do a good job.
Wouldn't say it's the best remake of all time mind. Loved the remakes to Conkers Resident Evil 2 a little more
Wouldn't say it's the best remake of all time mind. Loved the remakes to Conkers Resident Evil 2 a little more
Mephisto40
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It does get significantly better after the apartments, I agree that section was a slog, but the rest of the game isn't as much
freemandos
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Actually it's not much longer, or at least it isn't twice as long as the original or more like the SH2R. And I replayed both versions of RE in the last year (after SH2R).Funny, cause I think REmake is so much longer than the original
SH 2 is long but the pacing is pitch perfect. I wouldnt have changed a thing. The hotel alone is a game on itself and I loved it.
The story could have been told in 2h, sure. But its all about the journey, man.
I could say loving the hotel so much is in fact ironic, being the less bloated location of the remake and the closest to the original.
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freemandos
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About the thread subject, I absolutely disagree. REmake 1 is a far better remake and my first RE was the first game (on the Saturn version btw), so zero nostalgia. And REmakes 2 and 4 are better too. Yes, RE2R has cut content...but it's a great Resident Evil by itself. Multiplying the number of enemies, making the combat far more obligatory and making a more 'grounded' vibe among other things don't make a better Silent Hill game in my book. It's in a way the same story with Homecoming and it was hated (it was worse game than the remake though, yes). And Capcom didn't try to appeal the audience of other franchises like tLoU to sell more unlike Konami (I'm talking about these remakes, games like RE6 are another story). RE4R is actiony because the original RE4 was already like that and it 's one of the best TPS games. I don't see the SH2R one thing or the other. Just a good but flawed survival horror game and a mixed remake. It's better than the RE3 one though.
Also, yes, this isn't new, but not less true: the remake's pacing isn't very good.
Also, yes, this isn't new, but not less true: the remake's pacing isn't very good.
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Badlucktroll
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I hope the SH1 remake has alot bigger budget. they earned it
cortadew
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I was replying to a person who was trying to downplay sh2 remake by saying it's a tlou wannabe because it has a "generic" third person perspective.
cortadew
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The story is longer because the areas themselves were redone to add more content, there also new places that enhance the original game I find it funny when people cry about remakes cutting content and then they still cry when they add more content.
cortadew
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I was using your own logic when you claimed sh2R tried to be a TLOU wannabe
ok fine then the OG silent hill 2 by that same logic is a re1, galerians and Alone in the dark wannabe
Torn between this and RE4. RE2 remake was great, but honestly, there isn't a single thing that I'll remember from it 10 years from now. SH2 and RE4 though... are freaking masterpieces. Will probably agree with the OP since they have gone above and beyond to make the gameplay memorable, on top of the phenomenal story, music and atmosphere. RE4 already had that going and was genre defining in that regard, so there wasn't much left on the table to improve.
Shame that that the game struggles on the tech front a bit, but I haven't found anything that detracts from the overall experience to knock it too much.
Shame that that the game struggles on the tech front a bit, but I haven't found anything that detracts from the overall experience to knock it too much.
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bundylove
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Thats the point.
You are average guy with and average skill with and average penis.
You wouldnt do any better in real life granted after killing so many enemies you would think your skills get better lol
bundylove
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I think when it come to remake for me its the tomb raiders the system shock etc etc.
So remakes of classic ps one era games.
Silent hill 2 is a fantastic remake. The sound design alone is absolute bonkers.
Resi 2 remake was another fantastic remake better than silent hill 2 as it mived from 2d backgrounds to full 3d.
Resi 4 remake...i played too many versions of it prior so not that interesting.
So remakes of classic ps one era games.
Silent hill 2 is a fantastic remake. The sound design alone is absolute bonkers.
Resi 2 remake was another fantastic remake better than silent hill 2 as it mived from 2d backgrounds to full 3d.
Resi 4 remake...i played too many versions of it prior so not that interesting.
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rodrigolfp
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Real life doesn't matter as the game is not a simulator.
bundylove
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Dont know what to reply to this lol
fart town usa
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I'm not crying about anything and I don't cry when stuff is cut from remakes (RE3) because I can always go back and play the OG. I like RE3make too.
I don't have any serious issues with SH2make, it's a really impressive game. The claim of it being the best remake ever though doesn't hold water because SH2make is hamstrung because it's a remake of SH2. Not that the OG SH2 is vastly superior, I honestly think OG SH2 is overrated to the point of absurdity. SH2make would be a better game if it was its own thing with its own story to tell. That's not a controversial take and it's not a fiery critique of the game, it's just pointing out something obvious.
bundylove
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Maybe this game set the ground work for their very own brand new silent hill game?
I can only hope
cortadew
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fart town usa
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I'd also like to add, the best thing about SH2make is that it cancels out the brain dead hate towards Homecoming. SH2make is near 1:1 when it comes to piggy backing off of the things that worked well in Homecoming. For that reason alone, I will always be a fan of SH2make.Ok
cortadew
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Sh2R goes beyond what REmake did, REmake while being nearly perfect did not add the actual canon ending to the spencer incident.SH2 Remake was great and I was someone who was very skeptical when it first coming out.
But with that being said to me the best remake is still…
Danjin44
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My biggest and only issue with SH2remake is it goes little too long, no matter how good horror game is the longer it goes the less scary it becomes because we get used to the tension and in SH2 there are not that many enemy types that can support long run.
Other than that SH2 remake was great and I especially like the changes they made with some of the boss fights.
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Seomel
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I would have to think if its best, but its genuienly amazing. It was kinda annoying reading a lot of posts leading up to it, because people didnt have faith due to studio instead of people involved in it(and bloober squabble with konami promotional material lol), but luckily how tables turned.
Zacfoldor
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Good question, I'm sure there are. Probably this thread would be a good place to post it. I'm at work atm, but will try to check later and post it up.
I'll just go over a couple of cool things that made me think, "wow cool".
One of my big realizations was that each area of the game is an area that stems from James' fear. So, hopefully by now you know that he did kill his wife. He did so because he wanted to be free to party and to live his life. Maybe somewhere deep down, ending her pain was also a motivation, but he actually killed her during a visit home from the hospital, probably her last. --- So, a badly written story would have James' biggest fear be like, that he killed her, right? Well maybe. In this story, one of his biggest fears is prison. What else did we get a prison section as the most threatening and scary part of the game? Know what else he fears? Everyone finding out what he did. You know who would be the most upset with him over that probably? The nurses at the hospital that worked so hard to prolong Mary's life, right? Well the nurses certainly scared me. To me, SH2 is about fear and punishment, but also grief. Whether James can come to terms with what he did and move on, or whether he kills himself, or even if he decides to embrace what he did and become evil, anything is possible in SH2. At the beginning it just seems like your standard horror story and never really picks up, but the devil is in the details here. It's a really wild ride if you look at it from just the right angle.
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MacReady13
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I was always partial to the Super Mario Bros quadrilogy NES remakes on the SNES in Super Mario All Stars.
In truth, I really love the Silent Hill 2 remake but it does drag on in places. I guess that is a part of the "modern audience" today's devs try to capture. I mean, imagine releasing a game today that is a remake of an all time classic, and the game today is ONLY 5 hours long? The modern audience would complain it's not long enough!!!
I for one just think that remakes should do justice to the original whilst improving aspects of gameplay for us today (much like the Dead Space remake did).
In truth, I really love the Silent Hill 2 remake but it does drag on in places. I guess that is a part of the "modern audience" today's devs try to capture. I mean, imagine releasing a game today that is a remake of an all time classic, and the game today is ONLY 5 hours long? The modern audience would complain it's not long enough!!!
I for one just think that remakes should do justice to the original whilst improving aspects of gameplay for us today (much like the Dead Space remake did).