How is qop, np, wisp, and invoker low skill floor and wk, spectre, omni high skill floor? Don't you mean the opposite? Its much easier to pick up wk compared to invoker.
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How is qop, np, wisp, and invoker low skill floor and wk, spectre, omni high skill floor? Don't you mean the opposite? Its much easier to pick up wk compared to invoker.
Yeah, sorry, low skill floor on omni/spectre/WK, higher skill floor on invoker/qop/furion. The latter group will always tend to have lower pub winrates compared to the former.
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I want to have money matches for Civ: Beyond Earth who's in?
Yeah thats why Omni and Necrophos were topping the charts right?
The heroes that most win in pubs are, in general rule, heroes that heavily punish over aggression.
Omni and Necro have good heals alongside damage, Spectre and WK are insanely tanky and benefit from taking damage themselves, Abaddon does abaddon things and Silencer, Venge, Centaur, Tide and Earthshaker are all great counter initiators.
Acti
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What do you mean?
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I feel she does way less damage then she should with how fragile she is.
QoP has a low skill floor? A hero that is very very dependent on good positioning, has 4 active abilities, and an ultimate that is a skill shot? I'll have to disagree with you here, QoP takes some know-how to be effective, even at the lowest levels of play.
Yup, tanky/str heroes are usually the best for beginners because you're less dependent on positioning and if you don't know much about dota, you're more effective by just standing there right clicking and absorbing damage than say playing invoker or QoP and dying in 2 hits while not knowing how to use your spells effectively.
yes it's why omni was/is so good. you just use your skills while your team plays like retards.
I don't know why you keep bringing up qop, it's not a hard hero to play it's just weak
Both omni and necro are heavily dependent on good teamwork. Picking QoP, TA, or Invoker is much more efficient if your a decent player and want to lone wolf (and all three have lower winrates than the former group). No one really picks omni, necro, tree, or abaddon and says "fuk teamwork i'm just guna do my thing and carry 1v5." Team-fight/press R heroes have much higher winrates on average compared to lone wolf heroes.
And I'm just going to have to flat out disagree with you on QoP. QoP is a pretty damn difficult hero to play, especially to play effectively regardless of perceived balance/power.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Na'Vi with the throws.
Void needs items badly.
Void needs items badly.
the "teamwork" is one way. he's more of a caretaker.
Sgt.Pepper
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That's why you build her as DPS brah. Orchid, Mjolnirr, Assault Curiass, BKB
I like Linken's on her though.
manfestival
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I really enjoy the conversation that sprouted(no pun intended) from my statement. Is NP really that hard to play? I guess maybe it's because of knowing when to split push and when to teamfight and knowing the transitions in order to be truly effective?
I don´t think QoP is hard to play or undestand, at least for me the mayor problem I have with her is item build, BKB? Linkens? Orchid? Aghanim? Vyse? Necro?. I always have a headache playing her.
I played against a right click qop that carried her incredibly shitty team for 50 mins, eventually we won because we had a Medusa.
Monochromaticx
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He couldn't even solo an ogre mcgree in chrono. That's just sad at 40 minutes in the game.
RukusProvider
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Na'Vi working hard to go home early.
Secret sending them to the losers bracket and IAP knocking them out in the first round would be something else
RukusProvider
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Clearly it was Puppey and Kuro letting the team down.
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really depends on how you play, bulldog started the whole blink dagger NP Rat monster, and ICEx3 plays NP as a super roaming ganker. The way he micros his treants so that the team always has vision on the map is insane. I forgot who started the Nulls Blade mail NP build.
A good NP has to have real good map awareness, you have to always be looking to see where you can go in and turn the team fight or give reinforcement to a lane that's being ganked.
Monochromaticx
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Bone7 I think.
Monochromaticx
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haha what a fissure!
shira
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Poop team >>> Secret team
Im confused why would VG/Newbee qualify for Synergy for yet another Russian LAN final, but refuse a huge prizepool in Starladder.
Im confused why would VG/Newbee qualify for Synergy for yet another Russian LAN final, but refuse a huge prizepool in Starladder.
yeah I dont get it, looking at the team quality here they would destroy everyone except EG and maybe C9 with a crazy strat
Monochromaticx
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Yup, she was banned. The real carry now is the sven + ET aura.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Valve must be ok with the whole GIVE DIRETIDE fiasco
Their official merchandising partner is selling plushies based off it
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Their official merchandising partner is selling plushies based off it
http://www.welovefine.com/8782-gave-plush.html#.VElNMcksFje
unraked RD best mode
manfestival
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someone posted it the other day but for 35 dollars... 27 dollars is still way too steep. especially considering it only comes with a sculptors monument item. gross
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