manfestival
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DOTA 2 |OT9| League of Ancients (6.84)
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xyclopz is a god amongst men
the hero balancing in this game frequently just doesn't make sense to me, some heroes seem to have synergies between their skills for no reason while other heroes have penalties on their skills for similarly no reason
for instance, sniper wants to be at the back of fights contributing very high DPS, and all of his abilities are long range. great synergy!
OD also kind of wants to be on the edge or the back of fights and all of his abilities are....short range?
huskar wants to be at low HP so he can stack armour and magic resistance. so his abilities lower your HP! great synergy!
phoenix also uses HP to cast abilities, and the synergy is...???????? nothing.
for instance, sniper wants to be at the back of fights contributing very high DPS, and all of his abilities are long range. great synergy!
OD also kind of wants to be on the edge or the back of fights and all of his abilities are....short range?
huskar wants to be at low HP so he can stack armour and magic resistance. so his abilities lower your HP! great synergy!
phoenix also uses HP to cast abilities, and the synergy is...???????? nothing.
SteveWinwood
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i mean i understand that it's to make the reward/risk payoffs bigger for the heroes whose abilities put you at a bigger inherent disadvantage, i still think it's whack
If OD could astral or sanity's eclipse from 1400 range you would see quite quickly why he is balanced the way he is.
i guess. i'm still not clear why phoenix still has HP penalties on all her abilities though. at least it made sense when she healed. they're not exactly the world's most powerful abilities.
she is a strength hero with poor int gain so her abilities aren't that mana intensive or free and instead cost HP (which is something she has a lot of because of her strength gain). She also has an ult that fully restores her HP so she can get quite low and then gain it all back.
it's not any more difficult to run out of mana as phoenix at low levels than any other hero though. at least in my experience as a bottom 50 ww phoenix player.
although icarus dive always being available is nice.
You mean except for his ability to fully regenerate to 100% health, 100% mana?
his chance*
Shorty11857
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if you spam spirits on every cooldown, sure. but like, mana management is part of the game and if phoenix had the same stats but comparable mana cost to other heroes for the same amount of damage, you would run out of mana instantaneously.
manfestival
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playing against freakinchair as spirit breaker and him being razor was suffering
dats ok friend we still rekted him ez ez
Dreams-Visions
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take notes, boys. Spirit Breaker is fucking great against the bullshit carries in the game right now:
Sniper - SB shits all over him with charge and bashes.
Troll - SB shits all over him with charge, bashes, and ult.
With 2 or 3 auto-attack bashes, SB can and does buy his team enough time to do the rest. Glad to see the pros finally taking what we've known in pubs for some time into the pro scene.
Sniper - SB shits all over him with charge and bashes.
Troll - SB shits all over him with charge, bashes, and ult.
With 2 or 3 auto-attack bashes, SB can and does buy his team enough time to do the rest. Glad to see the pros finally taking what we've known in pubs for some time into the pro scene.
NaDannMaGoGo
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Eh, SB can disable just about any target for a long duration. I wouldn't call those particular two weak against him.
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Interesting game currently though. Everyone's so darn farmed, even the supports. Tree with Aghs is actually still at 5th place in the sentinel's networth. Though he should get ahead soon.
edit2: Waow!
Imp the Dimp
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SB ain't good against Troll at all. It's impossible to miss the whirling axes unless you suck.
zombieshavebrains
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Can't bash what you can't see.
nah just triple his int into damage top kek.
NaDannMaGoGo
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Well, actually, SB's bash doesn't depend on the attack itself hitting if I'm not mistaken. I think...
So it doesn't completely screw SB over fwiw.
Maybe it places a debuff called Madness that can make skills whiff or self-inflict.
NaDannMaGoGo
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Dem casters again.
The networth on C9's heroes isn't worth as much as the one on Asus? Wrong as hell. Tiny is devastating in terms of physical damage output and a farmed Lich/SK have the potential to decimate the entire opponent team too via magic damage. When they arrive at 5s BKBs Asus is done for, if not earlier.
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Meanwhile Tiny with AC, Wisp Overcharge + Lich Frost Armor doesn't even care about Troll's Daedalus, while critting for 1k+ damage (and splashing 50% of it).
The networth on C9's heroes isn't worth as much as the one on Asus? Wrong as hell. Tiny is devastating in terms of physical damage output and a farmed Lich/SK have the potential to decimate the entire opponent team too via magic damage. When they arrive at 5s BKBs Asus is done for, if not earlier.
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Meanwhile Tiny with AC, Wisp Overcharge + Lich Frost Armor doesn't even care about Troll's Daedalus, while critting for 1k+ damage (and splashing 50% of it).
Sticky Fingers
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Damn that EE tiny really insane, it makes troll and bb looks squishy.
http://www.liquiddota.com/stream/joinDOTARed
New Navi vs NiP.
http://www.liquiddota.com/stream/dotapit
and Empire vs Alliance.
New Navi vs NiP.
http://www.liquiddota.com/stream/dotapit
and Empire vs Alliance.
Secret being total shit also helps.
Cyborgmatt
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I know right? Not sure people think the sky is falling when losing a couple of online matches.
Which I doubt DreamLeague will continue to pay for if they continue broadcasting to less than 5k viewers.
Cyborgmatt
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I mean this series is potentially going to cost us Starladder but when people are not feeling well and you have a shit day there's not much you can do. This is what happens when every tournament is milking their qualifier process and doesn't leave room for any other option besides a constant grind of matches.
I still think people overreact way to much and indirectly contribution to situations where you end up with teams like NaVi changing their roster every month.
Everyone just needs to chill out.
I still think people overreact way to much and indirectly contribution to situations where you end up with teams like NaVi changing their roster every month.
Everyone just needs to chill out.
shira
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I know right? Not sure people think the sky is falling when losing a couple of online matches.
2-4 record with tinkywinky
I mean this series is potentially going to cost us Starladder but when people are not feeling well and you have a shit day there's not much you can do. This is what happens when every tournament is milking their qualifier process and doesn't leave room for any other option besides a constant grind of matches.
I still think people overreact way to much and indirect contribution to situations where you end up with teams like NaVi changing their roster every month.
Everyone just needs to chill out.
Just some friendly flame, you guys win too much. #secretfanstraight
Cyborgmatt
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His player info is locked and Valve are in Hawaii so we can't get it unlocked early.
We are doomed.
His player info is locked and Valve are in Hawaii so we can't get it unlocked early.
We are doomed.
Get reked
SteveWinwood
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Shorty11857
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First main qualifier is on now, going to be four qualifiers. Then 8 team league play, then 6 team lan I think
Shorty11857
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There's also two open qualifiers to qualify for each main qualifier! Sure love their qualifiers
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