I don't know the exact numbers but I think dotabuff starts tagging a game as normal skill at 2.8k MMR. Bellow that the game is not tagged.
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DOTA 2 |OT9| League of Ancients (6.84)
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I don't know the exact numbers but I think dotabuff starts tagging a game as normal skill at 2.8k MMR. Bellow that the game is not tagged.
A Sentient Keyboard
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The 3 golden rules of dota:
I made this post a year ago in OT6 and it's still 100% true.
I made this post a year ago in OT6 and it's still 100% true.
Diffusal is nice on Wind but Daedalus is almost always better. Even vs Medusa
I will agree to diffusal vs WK though
Interesting.
I've never played ranked, but most of my games since I've started have been in the normal bracket. 2.8k feels like it would be too high for my skill level, though.
Stuff like this makes me want to actually try ranked to see what my number actually is.
In my experience it's not that hard to raise your MMR up to 3k. It's after that that the climb slows down.
at 1 or 2k it's pretty easy to snowball out of control unless you only pick heroes that don't scale at all. You may still loose a few but if your are that much better your ranking will rise.
Shuggananas
Banned
Yep mana drain makes a WK shit his pants. You're lvl 16 and feel fucking invincible, able to win any fight, and then you get mana burned to death and do jackshit
Invoker and AM are fucking disgusting to play against as WK, lion's up there too but it's not as potent imo
I do all of those things... Can be an infuriating and frustrating experience, which led me to only play high influence heroes without too many gimmicks and that aren't completely dependent on coordinated teamplay.
I might have a skewed view of things. Like I said, I don't know the number, so just call it a personal hunch.
Try calibrating. What's the worse that could happen? It's just a number and it may help you set goals in your own personal experience with the game.
I don't play solo or ranked but all pick can be fun. I used to never play all pick, but after not playing a while I started playing again with a friend and it's fun if you do dirty combos and make the opposing lane rage quit.
That can't be right I'm at 1.2k and all my games are at normal skill.
I've come to think unranked is extremely awful and pointless if you play solo. There are too many unbalanced stacks. Even if you do well it's probably just by feeding off some 2k player trying to play with a 4k friend so it feels like a hollow victory.
Sure you get the cancer picks every game in ranked but I'd rather have those on my team than the randomers and gimmicky and bad picks in unranked, Last time I played unranked and obviously newish player first picked alchemist. That's unacceptable to me, that hero is some godawful uncarriable shit.
Sure you get the cancer picks every game in ranked but I'd rather have those on my team than the randomers and gimmicky and bad picks in unranked, Last time I played unranked and obviously newish player first picked alchemist. That's unacceptable to me, that hero is some godawful uncarriable shit.
Shuggananas
Banned
Uh, there is matchmaking in unranked too you know. If you played with a newcomer that means you have the level of one
Alchemist can work but you need your supports to stack a lot for you, every single camp preferably (even the small camp being stacked is a huge boost)
Alchemist can work but you need your supports to stack a lot for you, every single camp preferably (even the small camp being stacked is a huge boost)
shira
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Unranked matchmaking is a lot less strict because it has to accommodate stacks of all sizes and large spreads in player skill within them. 99% of my unranked games are in very high but there are still often new players in them (that play like new players too).
And Alchemist doesn't work. A team that loses to Alchemist has either done something horribly wrong or the Alchemist was not a factor in winning. The current version of Alchemist is probably the worst hero ever implemented in Dota 2.
Monochromaticx
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And what happens to the current VP squad?
or did they disband already? haven't been following their news.
manfestival
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I disagree with all 3. Another rule should be to rage at your teammates when they are clearly incompetent
Imp the Dimp
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I rage at every feeder I encounter. 55% winrate. Attitude in pubs is irrelevant when you are as good as me.
Well, I took over the acc of my brother who quit playing 2 years ago and calibrated it. 1st game was at 2.8k, last game at 3.5k. I won all calibration games with relative ease.
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/58054528/matches?date=&hero=&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&game_mode=®ion=&faction=&duration=
I would never be stuck at 2.8-3.8k and neither would any other 4.1k player. The mistakes by the enemy players (as well as allied players) are staggering and boil down mostly to people being inefficient all the time for no apparent reason. I found that very easy to abuse.
Then again, it probably depends on your style of play. I'm somewhat of an egotistical player who cares little about his team mates even when I'm in a stack with people I know (generally way lower MMR than me) and thus have practiced the art of playing crazy greedy and winning games single-handedly more often than I lose. I think that's a style that is very suited to winning pubs and as far as I remember, Blitz said something similar as well. If you know you are better than anyone else on a server (which is likely when you stack with 3-4 lower MMR friends), don't rely on anyone.
edit: Also stay away from hard supports who don't scale as long as 6.83 is a thing. Sniper/Troll all the way.
I'd like to see the maths on that but it's probably true. As far as I remember, our lanes got rekt and there was no salvaging that game one way or another. I just felt like trying something.
Currently, WR is one of my favourite heroes but damn, she needs too many expensive items to come online. Also, her escape is kinda ass. If Windrun was a little better (like giving flat 522 ms or something), she'd be really strong.
Well, I took over the acc of my brother who quit playing 2 years ago and calibrated it. 1st game was at 2.8k, last game at 3.5k. I won all calibration games with relative ease.
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/58054528/matches?date=&hero=&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&game_mode=®ion=&faction=&duration=
I would never be stuck at 2.8-3.8k and neither would any other 4.1k player. The mistakes by the enemy players (as well as allied players) are staggering and boil down mostly to people being inefficient all the time for no apparent reason. I found that very easy to abuse.
Then again, it probably depends on your style of play. I'm somewhat of an egotistical player who cares little about his team mates even when I'm in a stack with people I know (generally way lower MMR than me) and thus have practiced the art of playing crazy greedy and winning games single-handedly more often than I lose. I think that's a style that is very suited to winning pubs and as far as I remember, Blitz said something similar as well. If you know you are better than anyone else on a server (which is likely when you stack with 3-4 lower MMR friends), don't rely on anyone.
edit: Also stay away from hard supports who don't scale as long as 6.83 is a thing. Sniper/Troll all the way.
I'd like to see the maths on that but it's probably true. As far as I remember, our lanes got rekt and there was no salvaging that game one way or another. I just felt like trying something.
Currently, WR is one of my favourite heroes but damn, she needs too many expensive items to come online. Also, her escape is kinda ass. If Windrun was a little better (like giving flat 522 ms or something), she'd be really strong.
Shuggananas
Banned
*waiting to stack camp or ancients*
*check on mid SF*
*has like 10 souls at 5 minutes*
*misses 4 last hits and 3 denies in 20 seconds*
"what the fuck SF"
"hurrr mind you hero lol is ok we can win"
Can confirm. The recipe to win MMR is actually very very simple and has been demonstrated numerous times.
1) Pick impactful hero that can 1vs5 and don't need babysitting: Troll, Slark, PL, Huskar, TA, Storm, Jug. Big No-nos are: Specter, AM, Medusa, Naga
2) Mute all your team, farm farm farm efficiently and ignore every-fucking-one
3) only tp to teamfights after the enemy has spent their nukes killing your team mates and you can come to clean them up.
4) Get towers, get solo rosh, Win
SteveWinwood
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i hate this game
you see things in real life differently because of it
Shuggananas
Banned
Dusa can 1v5. AM doesn't need to 1v5 if your teammates are competent ie are taking ok fights while you take a lane of rax
Most important thing in dota to remember is FUCKING OBJECTIVES and PLAY SAFE
"oh we won this 5 v 5 fight, while only losing 1 hero ? let's... GO FARM OUR OWN JUNGLE"
"oh the enemy is 5 manning mid but are too afraid to commmit because we can easily get a favorable fight ? Quick all TP mid and let's stare at each other, don't bother pushing those side towers !"
Imp the Dimp
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LMAO that's exactly how I play I fucking swear. My winrates vary from 52-55% depending on my accs. My 4.1k acc got a 55% winrate by pulling off that exact style of play. Especially the thing with waiting till the enemy team has blown their load to then TP in and clean up is eerily correct. I secretly use my low MMR team mates as cannon fodder to snowball off of overdiving enemy players. Works so well.
Monochromaticx
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I need to try this.
A Sentient Keyboard
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If you're not gonna play with your team, why bother getting into a game so team-based as dota?
Of course medusa can 1vs5 but she needs space, same thing with AM. Also none of those two can go for pickoffs over the map in a efficient way. Dagger/ Shadow Blade is core most of the time on this kind of gameplay style for this exact reason.
If you think you deserve higher MMR than you actually are, then you must see your teammates as ward bitches and nothing else.. they are useless potatoes hence can't count on them for doing anything right and of course they don't deserve saving.
Unfortunately this is not what the developers had in mind when they designed this team game and it may or may not be fun to spam this procedure every game but it definitely is the fastest and safest way to increase your MMR
Imp the Dimp
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Well, it's not that simple, is it?
with the small caveat that it only works if you actually are better (and a more efficient Farmer) than your current MMR.
4 protect one fails when the carry can't carry. It can also fail when the enemy knows how to push their advantage, but in the current patch that's pretty rare.
Another advantage this playstyle has is that it actually works pretty well with stacks. They can do their coordinated thing and instead of feeding because of miscommunication you become fat.
'Believing yourself to be higher MMR than you actually are' seems bizarre to me. And if you're boosting it with hero spam and abusing certain play styles I don't see how you're not just artificially inflating your MMR instead of actually improving. Of course that's not to say that in the process of spamming Troll 400 times you won't improve.
Imp the Dimp
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The current pub meta is not very pleasant honestly. It punishes you for not picking top tier heroes more than any other patch I've experienced since January 2013. A lot of leaderboard players are 1 hero spammers and IMO it's legit enough a strategy. Some people are ambitious and gain their motivation by climbing ladders which is unsurprising in such a competitive game. Ranked matchmaking just asks for tryharding and as long as two heroes are this much better at solo carrying games than any other hero, you'll see a lot of Troll/Sniper spammers. There is virtually no point picking other carries at the moment. These two outclass everyone.
Shuggananas
Banned
MMR is a flawed thing anyway, you have people who get to 5k by picking FOTM OP shit, and people who do so by playing other roles that don't have FOTM OP shit (see offlaner and supports), or even just random
It being based solely on winrate is pretty misleading, it should have more metrics but that would be probably too complicated or confusing, and would mean even more whining (bwah bwah why does this useless 1-3-32 support have more MMR than me on my 12-5-3 hard carry !!!)
So I guess you have to accept this fact and either don't play unranked or grind with OP shit
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@imp :
I play exclusively AR or AP (in which I random), the only few times I pick a certain hero is when I get horseshit in random AP (you can't re-random) in which case I pick some good support that is fun to play
Doesn't seem too punishing to me :/
It being based solely on winrate is pretty misleading, it should have more metrics but that would be probably too complicated or confusing, and would mean even more whining (bwah bwah why does this useless 1-3-32 support have more MMR than me on my 12-5-3 hard carry !!!)
So I guess you have to accept this fact and either don't play unranked or grind with OP shit
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@imp :
I play exclusively AR or AP (in which I random), the only few times I pick a certain hero is when I get horseshit in random AP (you can't re-random) in which case I pick some good support that is fun to play
Doesn't seem too punishing to me :/
I think I have a bad attitude towards MMR. I think I've been made to think of it like a score, whereas in reality it's just a way of matching you into games that should be fun for you. My WR is a little under 50%, suggesting that my MMR is exactly where it should be.
manfestival
Member
sounds like fair advice to be honest
Imp the Dimp
Member
If you manage to keep up a 50+ winrate with randoming in AP, you likely have quite a lot of room to improve that MMR number of yours if you picked FOTM heroes.
My 55% acc is full of random shit heroes as well (I used to random a lot because my team mates dragged the MMR into the low 3ks where I could play most stuff without getting punished too much), so I'm well aware it's possible to win but I won't judge anybody who picks good heroes this patch. Bad drafting is insanely game losing in 6.83. Having good base defence and a lot of late game wins games way too easily even though you might've gotten annihilated in lane.
Shuggananas
Banned
I believe so, but I find that incredibly boring, and doesn't represent what dota is to me. And I don't care about a 4 numbers figure that means almost nothing if not my ability to pick OP stuff and learn to play it (and it's not like jug sniper troll are hard to play either, or fun)
Brotip : the game has 100+ heroes, and plenty of roles
Imp the Dimp
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Feel free to pick whatever you want. Different people have different preferences when it comes to approaching a competitive game. I still feel this is the worst Dota 2 patch I've yet experienced and not picking Troll/Sniper asks for a loss. I don't enjoy the other game modes much however.
That is correct.
Also Imp the Dimp is very on point with Sniper / Troll being on another level. Going highground against sniper is very very hard, even if you already snowballed. Troll has everything except maaaybe flashfarm and a little bit of weakness against kite-ability.
As a disclaimer, nowadays I play almost 100% support (Wisp, Lion, WD, Zeus) .
I can have more game impact this way because I have reached my plateau (between 4,3k - 4,5k) and the carry/mid players I get matched with, are better than myself in that role.
Shuggananas
Banned
Hopefully tomorrow or next thursday ;_;
Yeah this patch is taking waaaay too long. I guess they don't want to fuck up the patch that will count for next TI but still...
It's ok tho, 2.2 on diablo 3 is fresh and GTA V is just out. Also mario kart 8 resurrection next week.
Monochromaticx
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That 200cc Baby Park. Good god I can't wait.
SteveWinwood
Member
its not tomorrow
Gentle Rodriguez
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Me earlier:"What if we don't get a new patch before TI?"
everyone else:"That would never happen"
Me:"Yeah I know"
I'm starting to doubt myself
I'm scared
HO HO HA HA
hnnnng
That plus 200cc F-Zero.
SteveWinwood
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its not a game
not a game
not a game
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