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DOTA 2 |OT9| League of Ancients (6.84)
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My 'p' key barely works
they asked for me to pay ~40CAD to ship them the board, with no reimbursement if the product is found defective.
comparably, ive gotten free replacements no questions asked from logitec and apple for products.
Guys, concerning Phantom Lancer:
I feel the jump from Difussal + Manta to Skadi takes such a long time and makes me vulnerable. I usually buy a casual Morbid Mask to later transform into a Satanic if the game goes super ultra late game.
Is there something I should do between Manta and Skadi?
I feel the jump from Difussal + Manta to Skadi takes such a long time and makes me vulnerable. I usually buy a casual Morbid Mask to later transform into a Satanic if the game goes super ultra late game.
Is there something I should do between Manta and Skadi?
Shuggananas
Banned
Might as well get the full hotd, 20 damage and 5 armor is nice
With manta diffu you should be able to get some kills, he's really peaking around this time. Focus objectives and fights more than farming just creeps and skadi should come quick enough
Shuggananas
Banned
see, this thread is dead without the flaming
Sigismundo
Member
Stop building Manta on him!!! Seriously. (unless the enemy has some kind of silence).
PL is a fighter now with some split pushing abilities, exactly the opposite of what he once was. After diffusal get some sort of tank that will allow you to fight like Skadi, HoT, SnY, Satanic or even a BKB if it's really necessary. This is what worked for me in 6.83
Shuggananas
Banned
Manta gives him a great Agility increase + 2 illusions that will spam lot's of extra illusions quickly.
And most of the time there is silence in the game.
But I'll try avoiding Manta in a few games and see how it goes.
SecretMoblin
Member
Where do you usually lane him? You should be able to at least get a Yasha up pretty quickly and from there it's not a great leap to manta or diffusal. Stay in lanes when you can and use the illusions to push out past the river and pressure the enemy team. It's very easy to farm lane waves without taking damage. If jungling do some simple micro to switch up aggro. You shouldn't really need lifesteal, 900g is a good chunk of your first major items. Quelling blade is great for getting the first 2-3 big items (not sure if it will be as great with the changes).
Even with just boots/RoA/yasha up you should be moving around to kill anyone who tries it on your side of the map. Spam Q like crazy and be an annoyance while they don't have the tools to kill you.
Also skip Vlads and heart, buy basher. Basher every game. Basher good item. Basher before Skadi even. And Manta is great for the reasons above; it also gives you some more stable illusions to have fun with.
I hate techies with all my soul.
I lost FOUR gems this game zZzz.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1431650400
I lost FOUR gems this game zZzz.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1431650400
I experimented a lot with him in 6.83, mostly because he could go 1v1 with troll and come out on top.
The builds that worked better for me were:
Treads - Vlads - Diffusal - Skadi
Treads - Aquila - HoD - Diffusal - Satanic
After that everything is fair game honestly. I didn't want to sound like you should never pick up Manta, I'm simply convinced that picking it up before you're tanky in anyway is a mistake in his current state, unless there are extraordinary circumstances like orchid Storm or QoP.
It can be, even the Neogaf Community can be intense, MOBA Communities in general are very unforgiving.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Its a core gameplay element of playing Crystal Maiden.
Shuggananas
Banned
Getting 2 level 1 bounty runes with greevil's greed is so good. 2 min midas
That ain't happening unless you play against morons though
Shorty11857
Member
So the Mars TV tournament has a prize pool of $322k. Sure that won't lead to any jokes
Even if your team has better level 1 fight and secures both runes for you?
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
I'm still baffled that Undying got nerfed and Beastmaster got buffed. Only 2 heroes that I didn't understand the changes on.
Sigismundo
Member
What items swapped positions again? I think Orb of Venom is at the base shop now.
Shuggananas
Banned
Alch with greevil's greed is a non factor 
So you need to be 3 or 4 on one rune. No way one hero secures the other rune for the time it takes alch to reach it
Ult orb is at SS
edit :
Moved Ring of Health, Voidstone and Orb of Venom from Secret Shop to the Base
Moved Platemail, Talisman of Evasion and Ultimate Orb from the Base to the Secret Shop
Added Voidstone and Mantle of Intelligence to Side Shop
Undying was hardly nerfed though. 30 HP or one hit is pretty much the same
So you need to be 3 or 4 on one rune. No way one hero secures the other rune for the time it takes alch to reach itRoH/void stone are at base
Ult orb is at SS
edit :
Moved Ring of Health, Voidstone and Orb of Venom from Secret Shop to the Base
Moved Platemail, Talisman of Evasion and Ultimate Orb from the Base to the Secret Shop
Added Voidstone and Mantle of Intelligence to Side Shop
BM needed some buff.
Undying was hardly nerfed though. 30 HP or one hit is pretty much the same
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
I think test will push to main on thursday... soo friday my time. thats another 35 hours away at least.
Sometimes if its very buggy they push it on fridays. Matt will remember the trends better than me though.
Sometimes if its very buggy they push it on fridays. Matt will remember the trends better than me though.
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
Getting 2 level 1 bounty runes with greevil's greed is so good. 2 min midas
What 4 heroes are you picking that can win both rune fights and defend long enough for alch to arive at the second rune? AA, Gyro, Rubick, Magnus?
Shuggananas
Banned
techies
bane
sniper
undying
Eh, entire item at the SS is alright, entire item at base shop is more problematic imo
Sigismundo
Member
Thanks. I wouldn't mind having the entirety of Skadi at the secret shop but I guess that would be a bit of a problem.
Platemail and Ultimate Orb are also now ONLY at the SS
So no Ultimate Orb at the side shop anymore?
Shuggananas
Banned
They would have said so if it was removed from side shop imo. Just like they said which were added to the side shop.
still no gauntlet of strength on side shop
Undy was pretty much unchanged; soul rip being 1 dmg instance I consider more of a fix and it doesnt really matter since zombies do enough seperate dmg instances anyway
and that targeting thingie just means you cant misclick to heal zombies
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
The targeting thing is whatever
But he's specifically nerfed against TA(and other heroes that matters for?), he can't instantly remove refraction anymore.
They're not huge nerfs but I was expecting minor buffs instead. Lots of heroes got buffed and he got a minor nerf.
Shuggananas
Banned
More like a super minor TA buff then. Even then the zombies will fuck her shield up lol
Undying was indirectly buffed with the game being a bit more early/mid focused.
edit : my bad, typing too fast
Undying was indirectly buffed with the game being a bit more early/mid focused.
edit : my bad, typing too fast
Wouldn't that be an indirect buff?
he did get a minor buff though
zombies arent useless as hell against bristle or alch for example. incredibly minor stuff
and I dont think he needs buffs, he's been getting picked here and there already right now
this was posted a couple pages ago, but holy shit, what is wrong with everyone with the constant fucking bullying of hylian?
what is this high school and you are happy you aren't the ones being bullied?
its disgusting, grow up.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Kind of hilarious/sad we might get the TI5 emoticons before we get the DAC emoticons
lol
lol
Shuggananas
Banned
Yeah
Excellent, should actually be a bit of a buff for melee illusion heroes who mostly build stats.
Dreams-Visions
Member
agreed. we can do better, guys.
Imp the Dimp
Member
I disapprove of the bullying as well. Fuck that.
I agree, just put a mmr filter to posts and i can guarantee you there will be no more bullying in this thread.
Shuggananas
Banned
Very high skill or bust
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