I'll always remember the first time I got flamed by 109. It was a dark rainy day outside as I joined the ihl lobby. He flamed my poor performance on Lone Druid. I never see bears the same now and I never play Lone druid.
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I'll always remember the first time I got flamed by 109. It was a dark rainy day outside as I joined the ihl lobby. He flamed my poor performance on Lone Druid. I never see bears the same now and I never play Lone druid.
In one of the early IHL games I was trying to save 1.09 who was stuck inside a Chrono.
I casually walked into it, and now we were both stuck, and we both died.
He calmly told me that this was "probably a game losing moment."
I'm kvk1, and I'm a 1.09 flamerino surviverino.
I casually walked into it, and now we were both stuck, and we both died.
He calmly told me that this was "probably a game losing moment."
I'm kvk1, and I'm a 1.09 flamerino surviverino.
We won.
manfestival
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I long for the day 109 flames me. He is too nice to me in chat because I am one of his few loyal viewers.
109 flamed my maths (and accompanying bad item build recommendations) once but when i looked at my arithnomancy it was all out of whack and he was so right
but he is a number so i understand how I offended his kind with my flippant disregard for numerological sanctity
but he is a number so i understand how I offended his kind with my flippant disregard for numerological sanctity
his voice is just so pleasing to my ears in a musical sense and i have no idea why, topped only by two bears majestic voice
SecretMoblin
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He was a pub terror. A competent Meepo in a pub could do wonders. I think it's a fine nerf.
They really aren't. They're often just "jesus just do x are u stupid" How is that funny or clever?
Nerfing the exp comeback mechanic is a huge buff to Meepo, so it's probably to balance that out.
In this specific case hylian, I think it might have been a result of the 15 back n forth posts that went something like this:
"i think euls sf is awful"
"ok, well that's wrong. euls sf isn't awful because x, y, and z."
"i think it's awful cuz in 3.5k i've seen ppl lose with it."
"it's not awful because x, y, and z, and that's kind of just a personal anecdote."
"i think it's awful, please tell me why it's not."
"it's not because x, y, and z holy shit."
"HOLY SHIT??? don't insult me give me good advice."
"it's not awful because (1500 word essay)."
"ty, see, why can't we just do this everytime w/o ur annoying flame"
"i fucking tried don't u goddamn see."
"u FUKKING tried?? u wot m8? don't take that tone/language wit me."
Anyhow, that's my transcript, and you can see why this can get pretty annoying/tiring to someone.
brevity is the soul of wit or something am i right hylian. Not everything needs 2000 words, a video, and some dotabuffs to be a solid explanation. The same info was presented (albeit condensed and concise) before the whole conversation evolved into a wall of text and jabs.
manfestival
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I wanna be touched by 1.09's hot flame
Is there a list of people's steam IDs? I have no idea who people arezzz
Is there a list of people's steam IDs? I have no idea who people arezzz
So I should take something at face value with minimal explanation I should just believe it? We both know that isn't how Dota works. I often want to know further why, and have my own reservations against it. It's like the troll advice thing, as it's become hard to sometimes distinguish troll advice form real advice. Someone last night suggested 4 Wex max exort rush Atos Invoker. Apparently that person was wrong. Fuck if I knew.
I mean you are basically telling me not to question anything, which is the wrong way to approach things in Dota.
Talking about dota, i think for all the new things of the patch which people are calling broken, only 1 will be: alchemist aghs.
Essentially this hero is an hero with decent spells, an huge farm passive, and mega shit stats to balance the ability to flash farm so much. This way, you can farm a lot, but since your base stats are the poop, you aren't actually that much further compared to other heroes item progression, and u peak much sooner. Now with aghs, you can essentially share your greevil greed passive with heroes with actually good stats and extremely good aghs. Alchemist itself don't need much to be a mid ganking core, just blink, medallion, and maybe an AC /Vlads later on. On the other hand, giving ur tiny/Timber or whichever actual core you have a free aghs seems ridiculous, you're basically giving an allied hero the greevil greed passive AND a free item slot.
As other have said, yes, you're still running a melee core with shit stats and on which items are a bit of a waste. But the new aghs completely avoid this problem. I guess the reason icefrog nerfed Alche stun was because he sorta realized that now the hero can be played as a pure ganker with Medallion/Blink that dish out megastuns and shit on people and give all his accellerated farm to actually strong cores.
The hero is not even a weak laner by any means since he push any melee out of the lane with acid and still farm even against strong ranged like QoP or Puck, and is one of the best gankers with just a medallion/blink which he can farm in 10 mins.
I will probably be proven wrong, and alche will remain a niche pick because of the inherent weakness of running a sorta unreliable melee core. As for me, i'd put my money on his aghs to be the actual broken thing out of this patch. I don't think the Ocarina of time will be anywhere as broken as many thinks. My guess is that it will be core on 3-4 heroes, and will still see less play than sheep or shiva.
Speaking of the new items, my favourite and candidate for best one is the Glittering Cape. It's so good on pudge u can farm waves while invisible with rot , and walk on people with rot active while invis and devour them, all while taking no damage from rot. Its defensive applications are also incredibily strong, giving a teammate basically 200-300 hp over the course of a teamfight/gank as magic resist.
Finally, main client update when?
Essentially this hero is an hero with decent spells, an huge farm passive, and mega shit stats to balance the ability to flash farm so much. This way, you can farm a lot, but since your base stats are the poop, you aren't actually that much further compared to other heroes item progression, and u peak much sooner. Now with aghs, you can essentially share your greevil greed passive with heroes with actually good stats and extremely good aghs. Alchemist itself don't need much to be a mid ganking core, just blink, medallion, and maybe an AC /Vlads later on. On the other hand, giving ur tiny/Timber or whichever actual core you have a free aghs seems ridiculous, you're basically giving an allied hero the greevil greed passive AND a free item slot.
As other have said, yes, you're still running a melee core with shit stats and on which items are a bit of a waste. But the new aghs completely avoid this problem. I guess the reason icefrog nerfed Alche stun was because he sorta realized that now the hero can be played as a pure ganker with Medallion/Blink that dish out megastuns and shit on people and give all his accellerated farm to actually strong cores.
The hero is not even a weak laner by any means since he push any melee out of the lane with acid and still farm even against strong ranged like QoP or Puck, and is one of the best gankers with just a medallion/blink which he can farm in 10 mins.
I will probably be proven wrong, and alche will remain a niche pick because of the inherent weakness of running a sorta unreliable melee core. As for me, i'd put my money on his aghs to be the actual broken thing out of this patch. I don't think the Ocarina of time will be anywhere as broken as many thinks. My guess is that it will be core on 3-4 heroes, and will still see less play than sheep or shiva.
Speaking of the new items, my favourite and candidate for best one is the Glittering Cape. It's so good on pudge u can farm waves while invisible with rot , and walk on people with rot active while invis and devour them, all while taking no damage from rot. Its defensive applications are also incredibily strong, giving a teammate basically 200-300 hp over the course of a teamfight/gank as magic resist.
Finally, main client update when?
Where u been bro. Did you you blocked me on steam?God damn I missed me some DOTA 2 NaCl...
But the tone is so perfect and I love his creativity with stuff like the fridge magnets and such - a huge step up from tf2's trogdolye level trash talk "LOL GET REKT KID".
As long as it doesn't go too far, there's fun to be had in verbal sparring and adding some zest. Idk maybe too much digital sports has ruined me.
No I just don't come on Steam often. Been playing PS4 and Bloodborne.
That's now what I'm saying at all. He wasn't giving you minimal explanation, he was giving you short and concise explanations. For example,
"Eul's SF is awful."
"No, it isn't. Eul's SF provides everything SF really needs--it solves all of his mana issues and allows him to freefarm with raze, it makes him move faster which nets him more farm and is helpful in ganking (orb walking and razing), it allows him to one shot any hero with requiem, and it provides great defense utility when initiated on."
That was pretty damn short but it pretty much says all there is to say with eul's SF, just not in every extreme minute detail. It gives you the general idea behind the item, and why it's a particularly damn strong choice for SF. This is different than simply saying, "Go 4 wex invoker. Eul's is good. Eul's is bad."
Shuggananas
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Meepo is a terror of high level pubs. Semi-pro leagues that were asking for minimum 5k mmr for entering made an exception for Earth Spirit and Meepo players which had to have 7k at minimum. It's not something that you see in normal pubs because of the difficulty of the hero, and in competitive alike because of the nature of the drafting phases that make hard to pick him. I also think there are relatively few pro-players which actually spam the hero. Notail was famous for it but almost never play it lately, Excalibur disappeared from competitive because he could only play Meepo and Tinker, and W33ha (the only pro player that i know of that spam meepo 7k+) play support on his team iirc and has been in the scene for a really short amount of time. But if you watch the leaderboards, 7k+ players are almost always Earth or Meepo spammers, sometimes TA spammers. That's why players like NEQROMAN or Solo (of 322 fame) are incredibly impressive, because they are 7k+ players who random unlike spam pickers.
My argument in that in general wasn't "Euls is bad", just "Euls is bad for pubs because X". I was asking why it wouldn't be more efficient to get other stuff instead of that. Again, telling me not to ask questions about these things.
Ya I stay away for IHL because of this dude.
Let me further clarify on my last post.
Lets say that (hypothetically of course) it became a thing for people to buy Blink Dagger on Anti-Mage, because a pro did it and won them the game.
I might ask something about an AM game and didn't go Blink and people would say "Well you lost because you didn't go Blink"
And I would say "Why would I go Blink? That doesn't sound very smart."
They might say "Well you can Blink up to the T2 and push it down behind their back through backdoor protection" (made up reason, but assume it is logical in this case).
I might say "Well wouldn't it just be better to play AM the traditional way and farm Battle Fury into Manta?"
The Euls SF is an example of the same thing. Euls isn't an item you traditionally bought on SF. Maybe I have difficulty adapting to something crazy and new like that, but do you understand why I question these things now?
Lets say that (hypothetically of course) it became a thing for people to buy Blink Dagger on Anti-Mage, because a pro did it and won them the game.
I might ask something about an AM game and didn't go Blink and people would say "Well you lost because you didn't go Blink"
And I would say "Why would I go Blink? That doesn't sound very smart."
They might say "Well you can Blink up to the T2 and push it down behind their back through backdoor protection" (made up reason, but assume it is logical in this case).
I might say "Well wouldn't it just be better to play AM the traditional way and farm Battle Fury into Manta?"
The Euls SF is an example of the same thing. Euls isn't an item you traditionally bought on SF. Maybe I have difficulty adapting to something crazy and new like that, but do you understand why I question these things now?
Wow. Ok. I wasn't saying that at all. History just keeps repeating itself. I never said don't ask questions. You asked a question. I answered it. Then you quote me saying "Again, telling me not to ask questions about these things." Then we're going to quote and requote each other until another black hole is created and this thread is shitted up with the same 25 posts.
So, I'm pretty much done responding to you, ever, hylian. On steam. On Gaf. You just constantly misinterpret and ignore. Sorry.
LOL
That's exactly what you were giving me shit for though in the first place, questioning these things.
Also how's IHL2 gonna happen if you won't respond to me?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
To preface this, this is the last time I'll be addressing you as well. I've tried for a long time to help you, but I'm just done.
No hylian, he was giving you shit for ignoring the answers like you always do. Just like you ignored the advice we tried to give you casting your IHL game.
You made a wrong decision, objectively wrong decision, by not teleporting to your team and helping them win a 4v3 fight bottom with a DD and instead forced a gank top and lost 1v1 against the enemy team's medusa under a tower. We brought this up, and instead of considering why what you did was wrong and how you could've played it differently, you message me back attempting to justify your actions and IGNORING our advice. You write it off and move on, you don't absorb it. This was the last straw for me, I haven't responded to you since and won't in the future. I'm sorry, but I've had it.
I just told you what was happening in our internal communications at the time. I didn't justify it or anything. I don't ignore the answers, that's goddamn bullshit and you know it. I didn't ignore it, I didn't write it off, I said it was good advice, but I was just telling you what had happened in the game. But responding at all is considered "ignoring" apparently.
This shit is honestly fucking laughable, grow the fuck up, both of you.
Problem Attic
Member
Hey guys, long time reader first time poster here so I'll try and not say something too stupid.
Seeing a lot of talk about Alch and how his farm could be broken, but it seems like some other changes pointing the game toward ganking could keep that from happening. Granted it's probably a little early to speculate meta, but Alch having the highest farm will grant a higher gold return to the other team for kills, so this'll probably paint a target on his and any other jungle farmers backs earlier in the game before they can get too out of control.
I'm curious to see how this will play out with teams trying to protect their jungle and get to the late game since, for now, most strats look like they are back on the table that don't involve picking Troll and mashing your face on the keyboard until you win.
Seeing a lot of talk about Alch and how his farm could be broken, but it seems like some other changes pointing the game toward ganking could keep that from happening. Granted it's probably a little early to speculate meta, but Alch having the highest farm will grant a higher gold return to the other team for kills, so this'll probably paint a target on his and any other jungle farmers backs earlier in the game before they can get too out of control.
I'm curious to see how this will play out with teams trying to protect their jungle and get to the late game since, for now, most strats look like they are back on the table that don't involve picking Troll and mashing your face on the keyboard until you win.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I agree with this post. However,
with regard to the bolded: part of the issue with flaming in dota 2 is that people aren't "lifetime friends" or even "real life acquaintances". The fact is most of us are strangers. You guys don't know me from Adam when it all comes down to it. You don't know why I like posting here, what color the interior in our Rolls Royce is, or what I'm doing tonight. All you really know about me is that I'm a black guy, a slightly above average player who likes to entertain himself with discussion here and I try to be helpful and friendly. Oh and that I like going to The International. I am perpetually, obnoxiously friendly not because it's some sort of "fake posturing" but because I've learned in life (the life that none of you are actually privy to) that roasting people and making them feel like shit is generally not an effective way to get the desired reaction and improvements out of people. Wrapping helpful instruction in love and respect, talking to people how you'd like to be spoken to is how that's done. You sell more lemonade with some sugar mixed in.
Going in on people just leaves them more frazzled, more frustrated, and less receptive to what you have to say in the future because they respect you less and because you hurt them. Deep relationship offline or not. But understanding that comes from years of leadership training, years of training future leaders for 30,000 member engineering organizations and running conferences in which I speak in front of literally tens of thousands of people. I try to impart that general attitude on people I play with and when I discuss things here because any other way leads to frustration and salt (or otherwise negativity).
I think people would do well to realize that in general. You don't know who you're talking to here. Not everyone is a teenager or college sophomore. Many of us are grown ass men. Hell, getting right down to it, not everyone here came from a traditional family or upbringing. Some people didn't have father figures, some didn't have mother figures. Some didn't have siblings. Some didn't have friends. Some got bullied. Some got verbally or physically abused. Some don't know how many years they have left to live. And so it's worth keeping such things in mind when you interact with people you don't know. You don't know what kind of day (or life) they're been dealing with. Maybe they don't need your smartass remarks after living a life where they were verbally abused by the most important people in their lives. You just never know. But what you can always be assured of is that a little positivity can do more than save a digital character's life in a game. In Dota in general (and in life), it's better to focus everyone's energy and thinking not towards present problems or challenges but future successes and what the win condition is. Every minute spent looking back is a minute wasted unless something constructive is going to come out of it.
For some of us this commentary on these matters will be enough to think on these things and consider adjusting behaviors. For others, my favorite Teamwork video will be enough to plant seeds of behavorial change. Others will have more maturing to do and others still may need to see a psychologist to help them address any social problems they may have. Regardless, in the end everyone will come to the same conclusion and revelation or they will continue to struggle at winning friends and influencing strangers. Be more positive and see your own success in and out of Dota 2 rise.
Very well said, this is something honestly a lot of people in here should read.
shira
Member
ah well put
Fuck that guy he has a Rolls Royce.
I want one
No Bugatti?
#REKT
SecretMoblin
Member
ask satch I've always been a DV stan
I wonder how all the changes will affect Anita Mage; a lot of indirect buffs (bfury, vlads, seemingly int-friendly meta) and nerfs (creep farming).
also nobody has said anything about the veil buffs...
glimmer cape is so good for so many things... perched for nobody to buy it ever and for atos-style buffs over several patches
Thank God people found it now, I basically just don't play at all the day any of those exploits goes public.
OK this proves he just hate me
May have had lucky games or just different sensibilities.
Great post.
OK this proves he just hate me
Lol indeed.
I play with 200+
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