Shuggananas
Banned
Patch should hit in about 14-15 hours anyway
Usually middle of thursday-friday night in europe.
Usually middle of thursday-friday night in europe.
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DOTA 2 |OT9| League of Ancients (6.84)
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Shuggananas
Banned
Well yes SD is bretty gud. Purge fucks up bkb heroes or melee carries, disru is good for setups, the damage amp is legit but I generally don't put >1 point in it, poison is a great farming and depushing tool
He's not spectacular or explosive that's for sure but he's legit
Use disruption on TB with metamorphosis on, fuck him up
He's not spectacular or explosive that's for sure but he's legit
Use disruption on TB with metamorphosis on, fuck him up
Shuggananas
Banned
Base regen ? Axe and nyx are up there, not sure if there are others that have similar regen
Edit: Base regen, woops.
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Haunted
Member
I hate how long clarities take me out of the game because I'm paranoid of getting hit and losing the regen, mangos being instant means I'm more likely to use them because I know I'll get full value.
It's a psychological thing.
They're also the only consumable that gives you a bonus while in inventory I can think of, so I can't imagine taking a clarity over one, even though clarities are technically more efficient.
It's a psychological thing.
They're also the only consumable that gives you a bonus while in inventory I can think of, so I can't imagine taking a clarity over one, even though clarities are technically more efficient.
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
Don't forget mangoes are 3x the cost of clarities. A better comparison would mangoes vs clarity + tangoes.
+mangoes are 25 gold cheaper (150 vs 175)
+mana regen is instant, cant be cancelled like clarities
-it takes 7 minutes and 40 seconds to outheal tangoes (assuming you never waste regen by being at full hp)
-mangoes restore 20 less mana (150 vs 170)
-cant be split up and given to mid like tangoes
+mangoes are 25 gold cheaper (150 vs 175)
+mana regen is instant, cant be cancelled like clarities
-it takes 7 minutes and 40 seconds to outheal tangoes (assuming you never waste regen by being at full hp)
-mangoes restore 20 less mana (150 vs 170)
-cant be split up and given to mid like tangoes
Mangoes seem cool for melee like Sven/Slardar/etc I guess. Regen at the start when you need it, burst mana for a gank/escape likely after you've gotten your first HP regen item(s).
Majority of its value comes from instant mana, meaning an additional cast of whatever lv1/2 ability that people might not be expecting. That's not really comparable to tango/clarity.
Majority of its value comes from instant mana, meaning an additional cast of whatever lv1/2 ability that people might not be expecting. That's not really comparable to tango/clarity.
You are crazy. How can you not like mangoes.
Monochromaticx
Member
I will be buying mangos just beacuse they are mangos and are the bestest fruit.
They can also be useful for carries by regaining mana while jungling without it be interpreted by attacks like clarities.
They can also be useful for carries by regaining mana while jungling without it be interpreted by attacks like clarities.
Only looking at the mana regen aspect I find them too niche.
Lets assume the following:
- You're offlane in a 1v1. They can be useful to bully the other one out of the lane or secure a kill.
- You're offlane in a 1v2 or 1v3. More often than not you'll just stay there and leach XP, you'll only need the mana for an escape or to be aggressive towards a support if you find an opportunity. Even if you get a kill in this situation you'll most likely retreat back to your tower to heal and is this case a clarity is the most valuable item to get mana back.
- If you're a roamer there's no point in wasting 150g for an inferior mana source. You'll most likely get a bottle eventually.
- If you're mid you're almost sure to get a bottle, if you aren't it's because your hero isn't a spellcaster and can live with low mana, so you'll only spend tangos and salves.
- If your a support you'll never be able to justify a 150g investment for 150 mana in the early game, so you're stuck with clarities.
- If you're the safelane farmer you'll only want them if you're being bullied in your lane and need nukes to send the offlaner back, otherwise, if you have the chance to free farm, all the mana you spend can be safely recovered with clarities.
(edit) - If you're a jungler that needs mana, like Enigma or NP, you can safely use clarities since our minions are tanking the hits.
The passive HP regen is a nice bonus of the item, but hardly the main reason you get it, so I don't think it changes my previous points too much.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
A hero like CK with his joke of a mana pool can keep the offlaner scared by mangoing up after a (failed) gank instead of waiting 20-30 seconds for his clarity to regen enough. Same story with Tiny without Wisp, Sven, etc.
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
As skywrath, I'd rather buy 8 clarities so I win the lane.
Visualante2
Member
Keeper of the Northlight (KotL)
Ol' Chopper's (Pudge)
The Ancient Sovereign (Sand King)
Aspects of Summer (Enchantress)
I don't want any of these, if you have any sets to offer I'll accept them or give them to you free. PM me your Steam.
Ol' Chopper's (Pudge)
The Ancient Sovereign (Sand King)
Aspects of Summer (Enchantress)
I don't want any of these, if you have any sets to offer I'll accept them or give them to you free. PM me your Steam.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I'm honestly a little more excited for the Compendium and its rewards than I am for the balance changes heh
Last year had some cool stuff. Weather was a really nice addition.
Last year had some cool stuff. Weather was a really nice addition.
sleverfunk
Member
I just remembered TI5's color is gonna be yellow. Yellow is an ugly color.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
And holy shit mango is core on WK at all points in the game, guaranteed ult every single time.
Shuggananas
Banned
Yeah mango are super situational imo
I guess for mana intensive melee carries (see CK) it's alright, clarity gets cancelled way too easy on them
For ranged supports that spam (see SWM) clarities are a much better deal, even if you get one cancelled you still have 2 left (considering you buy 3 clarities instead of one mango)
Mana intensive mids get a bottle most of the time anyway, with one or two casual clarities for the beginning at most
I guess for mana intensive melee carries (see CK) it's alright, clarity gets cancelled way too easy on them
For ranged supports that spam (see SWM) clarities are a much better deal, even if you get one cancelled you still have 2 left (considering you buy 3 clarities instead of one mango)
Mana intensive mids get a bottle most of the time anyway, with one or two casual clarities for the beginning at most
soul ring doe
I had a great time with early game mangos on Wraith King.
Got some regen, able to double stun. If I still had mango by the time i was 6, i had ult no matter what. So i could again use my stun without worry
Oops didnt see you JUST said this haha
Got some regen, able to double stun. If I still had mango by the time i was 6, i had ult no matter what. So i could again use my stun without worry
Oops didnt see you JUST said this haha
Shuggananas
Banned
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/leshrac
This needs to be monitored. Hero should blow up in winrate/popularity. He's just so fuckin good
This needs to be monitored. Hero should blow up in winrate/popularity. He's just so fuckin good
That most used skillbuild makes me want to puke though
sleverfunk
Member
Shuggananas
Banned
Lesh and Timber are gonna be crazy this patch thanks to ocarina core.
Leshrac movement speed from 315 to 320
Lightning Storm slow duration from 0.75 to 0.7/0.8/0.9/1
Split earth has an effective 1.05s cast time. That means lightning (lv 4) + split earth can't miss
Euls bloodstone octarine gonna destroy some ass
balladofwindfishes
Member
You still need 10 mana, so it's not that great against mana burners and Soul Ring is more cost efficient in the long run, although early game the mango is great on WK, because of the HP regen and the quick mana burst if he really needs it.
sleverfunk
Member
Oh wow lesh got a movement buff? Nice
I always wonder why do some movie get late releases on the US.
shira
Member
Lesh and Timber are gonna be crazy this patch thanks to ocarina core.
Octarina will be, at best, their third item and if they get them the game will be over.
Their new item build will be as follows:
Soul Ring - Mana Boots - Mek - Guardian Greaves - Bloodstone
After that Aghs is in most cases a better investment than Octarina. They will rise in popularity and perhaps even in WR this patch, but the main item responsible for it won't be Octarina.
Guardian Greaves are love, Guardian Greaves are life.
Shuggananas
Banned
greaves and aghs on lesh ? lol fuck nah
Timber will probably go: Mana Boots -> Disassemble -> Bloodstone -> Octarine/Aghs
Octarine just doesn't have enough regen to sustain Timber on its own, especially with the lowered CDs. It will be interesting to see if it has an effect on how many people build a Shiva on Timber since they compete for the Mystic Staff.
Octarine just doesn't have enough regen to sustain Timber on its own, especially with the lowered CDs. It will be interesting to see if it has an effect on how many people build a Shiva on Timber since they compete for the Mystic Staff.
Bloodstone is still going to be his first major item. Its the only way he can be relevant in a fight. I'll probably go straight to oct after that.
Train of Midnight
Banned
So we're expecting patch to hit tonight / tomorrow? Am hype
Shuggananas
Banned
Tonight (yurop) which is evening for murika
won't be able to play it because lmaonointernet
won't be able to play it because lmaonointernet
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