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[DrPizza]

How is he "a bad lion"? He doesn't even do the same thing Lion does. That's like saying he's a bad Kunkka because his ult is on such a long cooldown.

Stun that hits heroes in a line.
Ult that's a big nuke.
Mana removal.
Secondary disable.

They're pretty damn similar.

But Lion's secondary disable (hex versus carapace) is much stronger, and his nuke does a ton more damage (though at levels 6/11 has a much worse cooldown). For utility, Lion is much better.

Nyx's advantage I guess is that he can solo offlane thanks to his high regen... or at least he could, you don't really see him much these days so I'm not sure how successful he really is.

 

[Haly]

CM has a puppy

Lina gets a kitten

volvo pls hire

i would double dip for kitten.

 

[twobear]

CM has a puppy

Lina gets a kitten

volvo pls hire

thieving my ideas like inkls thieves my kills and steve thieves my farm

 

[JC Sera]

Hilarious volvo

well theres one way to incentivise supporting, I suppose

 

[shira]

LAN cafe in Tdot. (mute shitty audio)

Can't wait to see Eternalenvy come by

 

[inkls]

thieving my ideas like inkls thieves my kills and steve thieves my farm

I cannot steal what you never had

 

[Satch]

when i used to play with inkls all he did was ks tbh so i understand @tobear

 

[inkls]

still salty about that tinker game i see

 

[TUSR]

Inkls smh

 

[Haly]

steve = inkles = stinkles

 

[twobear]

steve = inkles = stinkles

 

[Kade]

I'm with inkls on this.

 

[Hylian7]

Sometimes you just have teammates that make you seriously question how the hell this is ranked and not anything above 1k MMR.

First pick Windranger, he wants to safelane for some reason. Weird, but I guess it can work. Then the next guy picks Drow and goes in the offlane. I pick Storm, my friend picks Axe, and then the last guy randoms.....Broodmother, and keeps it like a fucking dumbass. I had to buy the courier myself, we didn't have a single ward all game, I was too poor to afford them.

I had literally no space to farm, Skywrath was constantly on my ass, no way I could win my lane, I couldn't see him coming. Couldn't even farm jungle. Shit is a fucking joke and I wonder how these three idiots even breathe at the end of the day.

I have no idea why the WR still insisted on safelane despite us having a Drow, but then the BM pick turned everything on end regardless.

How the hell are these MMRs even correct?

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297568857

 

[shira]

LOL demon is so bad

 

[Quesa]

I solo queued into very high for the first time!!!!!!

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/40955167

Spoiler

no wonder I flubbed this game so hard

Hope I can keep it up and be there consitently

 

[Big Dog]

Sometimes you just have teammates that make you seriously question how the hell this is ranked and not anything above 1k MMR.

First pick Windranger, he wants to safelane for some reason. Weird, but I guess it can work. Then the next guy picks Drow and goes in the offlane. I pick Storm, my friend picks Axe, and then the last guy randoms.....Broodmother, and keeps it like a fucking dumbass. I had to buy the courier myself, we didn't have a single ward all game, I was too poor to afford them.

I had literally no space to farm, Skywrath was constantly on my ass, no way I could win my lane, I couldn't see him coming. Couldn't even farm jungle. Shit is a fucking joke and I wonder how these three idiots even breathe at the end of the day.

I have no idea why the WR still insisted on safelane despite us having a Drow, but then the BM pick turned everything on end regardless.

How the hell are these MMRs even correct?

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297568857

The Axe you stacked with had the least impact in the game it seems. Looks like he might have had some good calls since he has the most assists, but not sure why you both picked core heroes after your random team mates chose heroes they claimed were going to be farming/ core roles. Be the support you think your team needs. Don't just pick another core hero. You are a part of this issue as well. I would have been a sympathizer had you picked first and they picked all farming cores as well. But not here.

 

[inkls]

I'm with inkls on this.

my man

 

[Hylian7]

The Axe you stacked with had the least impact in the game it seems. Looks like he might have had some good calls since he has the most assists, but not sure why you both picked core heroes after your random team mates chose heroes they claimed were going to be farming/ core roles. Be the support you think your team needs. Don't just pick another core hero. You are a part of this issue as well. I would have been a sympathizer had you picked first and they picked all farming cores as well. But not here.

I might be misremembering, I may have picked second, I don't remember for sure.

 

[twobear]

I'm with inkls on this.

ANOTHER steve alt??

 

[Hazaro]

How the hell are these MMRs even correct?

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297568857

its a 3 stack and they dont care that much
also its party mmr so its not like ur 4k or nething

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

I've seen really crazy MMR differences when it comes to party MMR. Like 6k players teamed up with 3k players levels of crazy.

Though it's not like solo MMR is such a different story, it just gets slightly less crazy.

 

[Emerson]

Sometimes you just have teammates that make you seriously question how the hell this is ranked and not anything above 1k MMR.

First pick Windranger, he wants to safelane for some reason. Weird, but I guess it can work. Then the next guy picks Drow and goes in the offlane. I pick Storm, my friend picks Axe, and then the last guy randoms.....Broodmother, and keeps it like a fucking dumbass. I had to buy the courier myself, we didn't have a single ward all game, I was too poor to afford them.

I had literally no space to farm, Skywrath was constantly on my ass, no way I could win my lane, I couldn't see him coming. Couldn't even farm jungle. Shit is a fucking joke and I wonder how these three idiots even breathe at the end of the day.

I have no idea why the WR still insisted on safelane despite us having a Drow, but then the BM pick turned everything on end regardless.

How the hell are these MMRs even correct?

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297568857

You completely gloss over it but the first sign of trouble in this story was your friend fourth picking Axe with three cores already. The Brood is an awful pick at that point but not much worse than the Axe one.

 

[Hylian7]

(Pudge is referring to Lone Druid here)

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297731398

 

[Chris R]

Two games tonight, two abandons within 10 minutes

 

[Acinixys]

Sometimes you just have teammates that make you seriously question how the hell this is ranked and not anything above 1k MMR.

Hylian your top... 16 heroes are basically carries (Maybe excluding balanced spirit)

Not a support in sight. Maybe you should man up and only support for 20 games. Because clearly going mid every game isnt helping you. I like carrying as much as the next guy but some times you have to bite the bullet and support like a mofo.

You cant complain that no one ever supports you because you almost never play support yourself.

Maybe give it a try

 

[Hylian7]

Hylian your top... 16 heroes are basically carries (Maybe excluding balanced spirit)

Not a support in sight. Maybe you should man up and only support for 20 games. Because clearly going mid every game isnt helping you. I like carrying as much as the next guy but some times you have to bite the bullet and support like a mofo.

You cant complain that no one ever supports you because you almost never play support yourself.

Maybe give it a try

Actually I win quite a few games lately. Going support is guaranteed to make me just lose more games, which is why I actively avoid it in ranked games if I can. I'm not good at support, there is a reason I don't play it in ranked. It's awful, I'm underleveled and underfarmed constantly, and the first one to die in any teamfight.

In unranked games I'll random ujsually, and stick with whatever I get, unless it is super countered by the other team. Yes, I even play a support if I get one.

Like I said, I've been winning most of my games lately, I just have the occasional absolutely horrible one like the one outlined above.

 

[SteveWinwood]

have you tried getting better at support if youre bad at it

 

[Hylian7]

have you tried getting better at support if youre bad at it

Yes, that's what I play it in unranked games fore. I don't play it in ranked games.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

another sniper game another win.

Offlane sniper vs a void + lina + WD tri? Finish 9/2/14 with "i'm bored so I'll experiment" items like diffusal and basher. Sniper is Doto's Dr. Mundo. He goes where the fuck he pleases.

 

[Drkirby]

Oh god, I got stuck playing support tiny. Our last pick was puck, and we had PL, Axe, and Ursa. Was stuck lugging a quelling blade half the game to deward, at least I was able to get a bottle early on, so I could heal PL and Ursa. We were like 0-7 at one point and thought we basically were screwed.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297901286

I just noticed our Ursa did basically nothing...

 

[Chris R]

I like FV, even with the nerfs.

Just wish my team would have fed less. Turned a 45 min game into an hour long affair

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297883826

I mean I guess I could have farmed less, but whatever

 

[NBtoaster]

landing the combo with nyx and then hopelessly pecking at the enemy with your pathetic right click as they run away with 150hp is the most annoying thing

he just needs a way to farm better and I'd use

Get an urn. I often end good nyx games with less than 30 cs, its not a hero you need to spend any amount of time farming on.

 

[Haly]

Change Nyx's name to Nyx Offlaner
Change Storm Spirit's name to Assassin Spirit

Boom, done. Now your optimal role fits your job title.

 

[Sigismundo]

Speaking of Nyx when are we getting that Urna Swarm hero?

 

[JC Sera]

Speaking of Nyx when are we getting that Urna Swarm hero?

Well we did get eyes in the forest so theres still hope yet...

 

[Hazaro]

fuck dota i cant even play support riki

 

[Haly]

im support

 

[Drkirby]

I played support riki. Found my self largely useless outside of the first 5 minutes and the last 8ish minutes of the game once I got Atos. Treant and Dazzle ruined a lot of my fun (Treant bought a gem pretty early, and it took a while to pry it from his hands).

Also, once again, Support Tiny is one of the most miserable things ever. Got enough mana for 1 damn spell. Spent over 2500 gold on Wards and Sentires that game.

 

[Shuggananas]

fuck dota i cant even play support riki

Morph is a better support than riki

 

[Hazaro]

Morph safelane farmed and I went offlane in the end

I even insta locked Riki first pick

 

[sandy1297]

Tried support Riki on smurf, get Dagon after Treads+Eul, ended up with SnY and Skadi :-/

too many KS potential with Backstab and Dagon

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1296502505


oh, and I mistakenly max Invis instead of Backstab first because I forgot the hotkey and only realise at level 7 when I noticed that I'm doing shitty right click damage

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Nyx doesn't need a change wth is this scrub talk

 

[Shuggananas]

He needs something though.
Mana burn is a good counter spell, for a few heroes, carapace is nice but pretty situational imo, stun is very good but relies too much on placement (so blink if you want to make good use of it). Ult is.. outdated. Invis with big backstab ? Yeah that's too basic, it needs something more.

He's also very level hungry

Lion is a much better nyx imo.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

I like FV, even with the nerfs.

Just wish my team would have fed less. Turned a 45 min game into an hour long affair

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297883826

I mean I guess I could have farmed less, but whatever

Did you have enough mana for Jump + MoM + Chrono + Chrono?

Also, can somebody enlighten me how a Shadow Fiend fucking solo dies to a Storm Spirit pre level 6? He single-handedly fed the game away, at ~4,250 solo MMR at that.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1285988851 (I'm Tide)

Fucking ridiculous

edit: Going by his All Random matches right after, he apparently got into low prio because everyone on our team reported him for ruining our game lmao

 

[A Sentient Keyboard]

Nyx's main advantage over Lion is that he looks fucking sick and his all his sets rule.

toe please get into the custom games

i really want to see your vision of the dota balance

Oh god yes

 

[Haly]

Well that's one way to get people to buy sentries: Give hats

I wonder if there's any problem that can't be solved with the strategic application of hats.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

Morph safelane farmed and I went offlane in the end

I even insta locked Riki first pick

If someone named "cykacarry420" instalocks Riki you bet your ass I'm going to assume he wants to carry.

 

[Shuggananas]

Nyx's main advantage over Lion is that he looks fucking sick and his all his sets rule.

Yeah his cosmetics are sick.
Love this one, reminds me of captain falcon somehow (the helmet)

Also how the fuck was this accepted ?

 

[Hazaro]

If someone named "cykacarry420" instalocks Riki you bet your ass I'm going to assume he wants to carry.

It's to mindgame the enemy team to counterpick, I typed in chat I was going to support after I picked :'(

At least I baited a Spirit Breaker

 

[Wok]

Well that's one way to get people to buy sentries: Give hats

I wonder if there's any problem that can't be solved with the strategic application of hats.

Arcana effect.




47 wards to go... Just kidding, I was facing a Weaver teamed with 3 shadowbladed heroes (Drow Ranger, Enchantress, NightStalker)... I still bought stuff for the arcana...