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Dragon Quest 7: Fragments of the Forgotten Past |OT| Roman numerals are hard
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Megalosaro
Banned
Bravely Second is a shorter game but isn't as good.
It depends on if you want to spend less time, but have less fun. Or do you want to spend more time having more fun.
JetBlackPanda
Member
well that seems like an easy choice. MORE FUN
It just goes on for a bit to long.
I also think that whole story with the brother, the sister & the that one guy isn't all to compelling of a story.
Vincent Grayson
Member
Imagine a world where DQ7 had BD's 4x speed option and programmable auto-battle though. Man would that be sweet.
pretty much how I felt as well
the quest is good, but annoying for a number of reasons
And with Bravely voice-acting.
Megatron
Member
Yeah, that was a little vague. I knew exactly who it was though because the pax demo was for tje next part after that when you have him in your party.
this is why you should fully explore every area as soon as you have access to it!
i have to say though, it's funny how party chat won't reveal who it is even though they keep telling you I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW WHO THIS IS
Megalosaro
Banned
casey_contra
Member
Almost done with DQ5! Up next - DQ7!
Magicpaint
Member
I don't find the Alltrades Abbey quest long at all. Epic, yeah. It feels good when you finally get it done. Though the story isn't necessarily one of my faves, but the game's challenge picks up decently there.
Alltrades Abbey's quest is gaming's biggest cock tease.
Look! An entire job system! The world is at your fingertips!
LOL JK
also, fuck your spells and abilities
LOL JK
also, fuck your spells and abilities
themagicalkitsune
Member
I'd been meaning to beat Bravely Default first before tackling Bravely Second. Will probably stubbornly soldier on with my original save (but see if there's any recaps I can go over first.) I sometimes forget I DO have that game, I got the LE despite this, probably unwise but damn that's a good artbook.
Can't at all agree with that story not being compelling. It was suspenseful the entire way through, there was real character growth, and their resolution at the end paid off well.
If the RNG hates you enough, the challenge skyrockets.
Yeah, that's a bad fight. Thank God that I won a lot of tokens at the casino to get good armor before taking on that part of the game.
Fuck that item, seriously. I'm pretty sure you can't use it outside of battle, either, which would save A LOT of grief. You're better off buying a shitload of Medicinal Herbs.
I don't think that's it. The scorpions have a rare (if the RNG is kind to you) "desperate" attack where it will hit someone for 30-50 damage. So yeah, hopefully people don't encounter a whole group of scorpions who spam that attack.
And speaking of desperate attacks, the final boss of the Alltrades area,
Cardinal Sin
that BS art book is f'ing amazing
have not played the game yet cuz I'm in the same position as you. still worth it!
I honestly don't find this game all that hard, maybe I grind a bit to much at times. But really other then the
the final fight with the Pig and Tiger boss when saving the Real Alltrades Priest
If you like episodic interactions with NPCs and events that eventually paint a bigger picture you will love this.
Elaugaufein
Member
The game is pretty slow to start mechanically with stuff getting introduced around 1 hour, 7 hours and 20 hours that would usually be introduced within 20 minutes to an hour.
Theres fairly reasonable story and the mechanics that are introduced are generally sufficient to be interesting. The first hour is probably the biggest challenge if you like *doing* things since its got a lot of walking simulator to it. The 7 hour mark is only annoying if you're trying to get the time limited online content and not planning to play the game right now, which makes it feel like a 7 hour chore, it's fine taken as part of the game if you're intending to play the whole thing.
There's something compelling about it, yeah. There isn't a big overarching plot with a clearly defined villain (or at least I haven't seen it yet at 40 hours), but rather it's been a lot of bite-sized self-contained stories. I guess it's kind of like a video game version of Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure? I dunno. It's good though, and this is my first Dragon Quest
CharminUltra
Member
Dragon Quest VII's narrative structure reminds me a little (only a little, mind you) of Kubrick's personal blueprint. Little self-contained episodes strung together to form an overarching story. Although I wouldn't necessarily consider each DQVII episode a "non-submersible unit." 
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Hahaha I like this, and it's pretty spot on.
LunarKnite
Member
Maybe it's because I got some great equipment from the Casino but I haven't had much of a problem with AllTrades Abbey yet. The Hero having a war hammer dealing 30-50 damage a turn is pretty great, along with having pretty much all of the best armors.
I've only beaten Rashers and Stripe so far though. Had to use a Yggdrasil Leaf, but around 50% of my boss battles, at least one person ends up dying, so that's the norm for me.
I dunno, if anything I'd say DQVII seems like an alternate take on Chrono Trigger, but while CT would be Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, this is more like Quantum Leap or something. Episodic adventures that are largely unrelated about fixing up problems.
By 40 hours they should have defined a villain, but it's very understated at first. The talk about the reason why the world is as it is, and name
The Almighty and the Demon King Orgodemir and discuss their cataclysmic battle.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
That's a bummer. I'm going through BD right now and having a lot of fun with it. Cannot wait to start DQVII, but I'm definitely gonna hit up Bravely Second first since it's shorter.
Megalosaro
Banned
I wouldn't describe bravely second as great. Good maybe. An improvement over bd, sure. But it's servicable at best
KittenMaster
Member
I started seeing mentions of the Demon King being built up around the 15-20 hour mark myself. I guess my prior DQ experience helps me get through the game faster though, despite taking my time with talking to NPCs and looking around.
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Funny thing is, I enjoyed all of bravely default, even the end half. I thought it was an interesting exercise in storytelling, if not the best thing from an actual gameplay view point. Something about Bravely Second felt off point to me though, didn't feel like had the same ambition with some of the themes, the book, said storytelling in the first. I really thought the first game was very clever.
Going through the storyline in Nottagen right now. Haha, pretty entertaining.
15 hours in and my only complaint is that it's too pretty. Seriously, the ...quaintness of the original is so ingrained in my head that these big, detailed character models and their articulate expressions feel completely at odds with the cute, squat, adorably awkward sprite work I'm used to. It gives the game an entirely different personality and I still haven't quite been able to wrap my head around it.
As for actual criticisms, I dunno. The way they handled the replacement for the temple dungeon in the prologue was pretty lazy. I've never been one of those people who complains about how long it takes to get to the first battle, but I always felt that the little Indiana Jones dungeon run broke up the monotony and acts as a nice reward for all the running around. Opening some chests and talking to a little imp and selecting things from a menu kind of ruins the magic for me.
So I'm still in "I don't like it because it's not what I'm used to!" mode, but I'm sure I'll get over it. It's a pretty impressive remake so far, and the localization seems solid.
As for actual criticisms, I dunno. The way they handled the replacement for the temple dungeon in the prologue was pretty lazy. I've never been one of those people who complains about how long it takes to get to the first battle, but I always felt that the little Indiana Jones dungeon run broke up the monotony and acts as a nice reward for all the running around. Opening some chests and talking to a little imp and selecting things from a menu kind of ruins the magic for me.
So I'm still in "I don't like it because it's not what I'm used to!" mode, but I'm sure I'll get over it. It's a pretty impressive remake so far, and the localization seems solid.
I found it to have a very appropriate name.
Yes, those names and events have been mentioned, but at this point nearly every civilization I've visited has had their own
deities so it's hard to know when the game is trying to say "okay THIS is the one that's actually relevant to your party"
Does anyone know how many Mini Medals you need to
Sorry if the spoiler is kind of vague or if it's even a spoiler at all. For context I just beat Gracos.
get the tablet fragment in King Maximo's Mansion? Or at least, I assume I'm going to need to do that, as the radar goes crazy when I'm in there and the only thing that makes sense is to get enough medals for him to give me the fragment. I think I'm at 37 or so right now.
Sorry if the spoiler is kind of vague or if it's even a spoiler at all. For context I just beat Gracos.
Donniewahlberg
Banned
LOL. I only just got that. I was reading it a gen, so even after you're comment I was like Hmmm....Damn haha. Totally.
I had the same question and Googled it, the answer is
100. But I don't know if it's a fragment that's required to complete the game. I'm thinking it's not, but if it is, I guess I'm not finishing the game
This was frustrating, yeah. If I remember correctly,
I stood in the spot where the drops were falling and pressed A, or went into the menu and hit Examine. Something like that
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Hmm weird, you do stand under it and use the container just hammer A
Games backtracking status upgraded to: [Extremely Obnoxiously Excessive] level
Zoom? What is Zoom? When does it work? When doesn't it work? Not in the past. Sometimes not even in the present! Why? Who could say? Enjoy your trips trekking through the Mountaintop Pass 4 times!
Zoom? What is Zoom? When does it work? When doesn't it work? Not in the past. Sometimes not even in the present! Why? Who could say? Enjoy your trips trekking through the Mountaintop Pass 4 times!
Zoom just doesn't work in the past or in buildings/dungeons. It works in open towns and in the present.
Sounds like you're getting burnt out. Take a break for a few days. I don't think this game is meant to be something you grind through. I'm 25-30 hours in and still loving it, but I take a break from it every few days.
Beaten: I was going to post this.
Bravely Second has a really neat battle system and significant quality-of-life extras (encounter rate, battle speed, whether or not you accrue XP or money from fights) and you get to play with different jobs almost from the outset. The story is bleh but thankfully skipable (you showed up for the jobs, right?). The boss fights are terrific. Edea is terrific. It's great.
On the other hand, Dragon Quest
tl;dr
They're both pretty great games. It doesn't matter which you go for; fun will be had!
Zoom not working in the past is something I will never fully get over. At first I thought I was doing something wrong.
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