Saiyan-Rox
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This thread really changed to attacking each other pretty quickly
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Robb
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Setsuna Mudou
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I still don't get it, I've never needed a character to be of the same race or nationality as me to see myself represented in them. Plus there are plenty of characters of all kinds of backgrounds in media, is that really what makes you feel empathy with them? Can't you put yourself on their shoes as easily if they aren't looking like you or from the same background as you in their portrayal?
I remember as a kid (late 80's, early 90's) it was really popular to dress up as Zorro, with the sword, cape and cool mask. Wasn't that guy Mexican? He was cool as fuck in the movies, series and cartoons and most kids wanted to be like him. I grew up in Europe btw, so quite far from Mexico. His country or race were a non-factor.
It's an anecdotal example, but felt kind of appropriate since you mentioned being Mexican.
CherryFalls
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ChorizoPicozo
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Scotty W
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Marxism is not a ‘word’, it’s an ideology. It is clear that you do not understand it, because you do not understand woke.
rabbity-thing
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You are making arguments based on assumptions.
I guess my point here is that it's not some ridiculous zero sum game for me. Wanting representation doesn't mean I can't empathize with other races. It doesn't mean that I don't enjoy stories about other races. It doesn't mean that I can't identify with people that are different than me. That's a real strange extreme position to assume I have coming only from what I have stated. One can want more stories that reflect one's culture while ALSO still loving stories and characters that don't.
As a kid, I wanted to be Luke fricken' Skywalker. Blonde-haired, blue-eyed space farmboy. I didn't look at him and think, oh I can't be him. And I didn't think, man, I wish he was brown. I accepted Luke for what he was and, yeah, empathized with him and his desire to fight against a cruel empire and save the people he loved. I'm also aware, though, that I wanted more characters that looked like me and had families like mine. These are not mutually exclusive beliefs. One can love characters from a variety of cultures while also wanting to see characters that mirror their own.
It's weird how many posters want to put my ideas in a box. Like, here's this guy who wants inclusion. We need him to fit the mold, built by our misconceptions, about what a fan of inclusion must be like. The generalizations, quite frankly, are way off base. I'm just a regular guy who loves a ton of pop culture regardless of where that media comes from or what race/culture is being most represented AND, at the same time, wouldn't mind some more brown people cause I happen to be brown. Sure, you can try and read more into that, but it's not going to go anywhere realistic. The more you want to stretch that and extrapolate new arguments from that, the more you veer off course and describe a version of a person that, whether or not they exist, certainly isn't me.
Neither have I.
Not at all. It's a type of character I would like to see more of. That sentiment hardly expresses that other characters are beyond my scope of understanding. I feel empathy for a ton of characters regardless of whether or not they match my ethnicity. I never stated nor implied otherwise.
Of course I can. Again. Never stated or implied I couldn't.
Zorro is part of the Spanish aristocracy. So, more European than Mexican. Regardless, yes, he's very cool.
I guess my point here is that it's not some ridiculous zero sum game for me. Wanting representation doesn't mean I can't empathize with other races. It doesn't mean that I don't enjoy stories about other races. It doesn't mean that I can't identify with people that are different than me. That's a real strange extreme position to assume I have coming only from what I have stated. One can want more stories that reflect one's culture while ALSO still loving stories and characters that don't.
As a kid, I wanted to be Luke fricken' Skywalker. Blonde-haired, blue-eyed space farmboy. I didn't look at him and think, oh I can't be him. And I didn't think, man, I wish he was brown. I accepted Luke for what he was and, yeah, empathized with him and his desire to fight against a cruel empire and save the people he loved. I'm also aware, though, that I wanted more characters that looked like me and had families like mine. These are not mutually exclusive beliefs. One can love characters from a variety of cultures while also wanting to see characters that mirror their own.
It's weird how many posters want to put my ideas in a box. Like, here's this guy who wants inclusion. We need him to fit the mold, built by our misconceptions, about what a fan of inclusion must be like. The generalizations, quite frankly, are way off base. I'm just a regular guy who loves a ton of pop culture regardless of where that media comes from or what race/culture is being most represented AND, at the same time, wouldn't mind some more brown people cause I happen to be brown. Sure, you can try and read more into that, but it's not going to go anywhere realistic. The more you want to stretch that and extrapolate new arguments from that, the more you veer off course and describe a version of a person that, whether or not they exist, certainly isn't me.
sloppyjoe_gamer
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I read today that NRS and WB used these shitstains in MK1 also
Lions Gate
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ChorizoPicozo
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I gotta be honest. In that trailer, I thought the joke was that it was a man dressed like a woman
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Hey bro, we’re not allowed to find that funny anymore. Nowadays it’s beautiful and empowering.
darrylgorn
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Dude, it’s a popular meme template that I smacked a company logo onto.. The only point is that they’re shaking in their boots. There’s no “deeper meaning”, it’s all just jokes.
Just got a warning about not knowing what fascism is, so I'm out of this thread cause I'm not in the mood to bicker over that.
Politics and videogames do not mix.
ResilientBanana
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Nah it’s that she’s remarkably hideous.
Scotty W
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Robb
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That’s a good attitude imo, I avoid those types of discussions as well (or most topics that tend to get too heated/opinionated). We’re all just here to have fun and enjoy games anyway, no point getting into arguments over politics.
Neon Xenon
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Sweet baby employee "Legobutts" history has just been re-upped.
I'm not surprised that this bullshit goes back this deeply. Not even a little surprised.
nush
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Remember when they told you that you were wrong, it was a conspiracy theory, UGH gamer?
Yeah, about that...
ChorizoPicozo
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Lions Gate
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"Sony laid off 900 employees because PS5 is a failure " lol fucking guy looked right at the camera and said this
Jaybe
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Amazing they just got covered by a guy with 2.4 millions subscribers lol
nush
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and yet gaming journalists are not covering the story. Hmm I wonder why?...
bender
What time is it?
The "diversity and equity" logic only ever flows in one direction. Do you see any Irish nationals holding position as Mayor in a major city in India? Or as Prime Minister? How about positions in the Congolese government? Nope. I just save my keystrokes on these topics because there's no point arguing with a brick wall.
Good on this curator, and good on everyone getting a laugh out of the meltdowns. These people are insane. I will not be purchasing anything outside of the bargain bin that these clowns are associated with.
nush
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Electric Boogaloo.
Krieger
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No wonder this "woman" looks like a troglodyte. The retards at Sweet Baby Inc. are so fucked in the head that they have become actual misogynists. For them the perfect woman is a man with tits, and every woman who looks like a beautiful woman is the enemy.
Moriarty1889
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Because they are to scared to be called racist by these freaks. Shows how weak and pathetic they truly are.
Aenima
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Probably doxxing everyone that follows the group. Thats what this kind of ppl do.
PSlayer
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Knowing that place, they won't open a thread about it until valve ban it because otherwise it will plataform and signal boost the curator. The silent majority in resetera just want to play good games and stay at |OT|s to avoid banhammer. Opening a thread now will increase the following of the curator. In fact,if somebody here has an account there it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a thread.
Drell
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That's the reason why these quotas and forced diversity is stupid. Imagine the people at Sweet Baby thinking that just because there are any white people in a game and BAM we are represented. I never felt any connection with these bald american space marines but I don't care. Heck, I feel closer to a japanese persona's protagonist because they're living a school life, something I did too, even if it's not really close. If I may add, that's even racist toward black people: "Look we have a black spiderman and we have people of color all around the city!" Do they really think that a black person outside of america living in a totally different culture really feel represented just because he's black? And I'm not saying that Spiderman, which happens to take place in New York suddently needs to have people from all the countries around the world, but simply that skin color is absolutely nothing in a person identity.
Let's do have diversity, yes, but let's do it smartly: Give these characters some qualities, some flaws, a background, some motivations and maybe everyone will be able to identify to something in these persons whatever their skin color is.
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Draugoth
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I'm expecting this to go viral once it hits major news sites
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ResilientBanana
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I think some people are confused. The diversity that SBI is going for isn’t just other races in video games, they’re striving for LGBTQ+ characters in video games. Which honestly is ok with me if it’s not forced. But the problem I see is that when you have a minority of people being forcefully represented, the majority will stop buying because not only do they not relate, but they’re annoyed at how extreme the representation can be.
For instance, my male character in Bulder’s Gate 3 was propositioned by all the guys in my camp and only one woman and she was the green goblin of characters. If the game wasn’t amazing I would have stopped right there.
For instance, my male character in Bulder’s Gate 3 was propositioned by all the guys in my camp and only one woman and she was the green goblin of characters. If the game wasn’t amazing I would have stopped right there.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Legobutts, one of the known Sweet Baby Inc. employees active on Twitter, is a female to male transgender individual. I wouldn't be surprised if this person actually thinks like that.
Power Pro
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Sweet baby employee "Legobutts" history has just been re-upped.
jesus christ, how these people manage to get work with such shady as fuck business practices, and conflicts of interests is beyond me.
Scotty W
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Go back to restera, you illiterate!
ChorizoPicozo
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we have media specifically made for those people. Not only that. every "pride month" you have a curated selection of media promoted everywhere.
when then you have "4 quadrants, general consumer" media that has elements of this "agenda", it could rub some people the wrong way.
the issue is that, at the end of day quality matters.
if you have this "agenda" in shitty movies, tv and games people could make a correlation of woke = shit.
the reality of the situation is that 9 of 10 times is that people involved just dont have enough talent to make something great. regardless of their "politics".
Unknown Soldier
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Bro I'm not bothered by 99% of insults but telling me to go back to the purple insane forum crosses the line
I hereby sentence you to death by being forced to watch Disney's Wish on loop until you slit your own throat
Remember when Arrow on the CW, season 1 and 2 were really good, well as good as CW show could be at the time. Then this crap happened and the entire CW fell to pieces. Stop forcing shit on people or crying when your called out for going out of your way to include, which then excludes.
Are there any gaming journalists? Serious question.
Dusktildawn48
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The pendulum is finally starting to swing back.
shoplifter
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Ah yes, the downfall era of SA, after Lowtax checked out and the inmates started running the asylum. Happened around the same time it happened here.
Unknown?
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While we're on that so should the term racist because it now doesn't even mean discrimination against a race, it could be for anything. LA Times says camping is racist.
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