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[Tangerine]

so the guy that started all this mess was fired

we can't hold all these rare victories

Spoils of war!

They all deserve to be fired... out of a cannon into the sun.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

as if we need a list when they leave their hallmark in every game they work on:

Jesus Christ. But a good promotion for bingo halls.

Tuesday Night Special: Chin-go!

 

[kikii]

What the $^#* is that... thing... in the bottom left image???

i think its from Starfield

 

[Cakeboxer]

Seems like the clients demanded some radical changes in order to still work with them.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Yup. Me too.

You can see just by trailers and some info pages and employees promoting the game if it’ll be political.

The problem is if someone hates this stuff, games which are full of it and can’t avoid it are in big trouble as people will avoid.

Some games like COD will have their share of DEI stuff like like free pride month skins pack. Not a big deal because they don’t jam it in your face, it’s optional and the nature of the game is to kill people asap. You’d never notice or focus on it since the gameplay is killing, doing MP objectives, and all gamers care about and see between matches are the lobby and messing with your load outs.

Other games jam it in your face where you can’t avoid the message. Also those companies have weird employees on Twitter promoting and battling gamers. On the other hand, I’ve never seen an activision employee battle gamers on political stuff in COD. Even if a gamer went on Twitter saying they hate the free pride pack, I don’t think any activision person would care.

Activision recently (in the last year?) removed a paid call of duty skin of a you tube content creator for him saying "leave the kids alone" in reference to the ongoing controversy about sex education books and gender identity being taught in schools.

Seems like the clients demanded some radical changes in order to still work with them.

Or they're losing more clients than just Square, and they don't want to keep advertising that fact. Hard to say, really.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Maybe political agendas should just stay out of entertainment.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Maybe political agendas should just stay out of entertainment.

There is always politics. But it is spice for the setting, not the meat. For example there is plenty of politics in Metal Gear Solid, but the game is so good it doesn't matter.

I like to bring up WuKong as the most recent example. With anti-China sentiment at an all time high, AND with the game running Denuvo, you would think such a game would be beaten to death on arrival. But a good game is a good game, and Wukong was good, so all minor sins are forgiven.

I will never wait time and resources to "fight" DEI, i don't care enough. But i do care about accidentally buying a shit game, so if DEI is a way to detect a shit game, it only saves my wallet.

 

[hinch7]

What the $^#* is that... thing... in the bottom left image??? No, seriously. Even if the other characters in the image set do not look that great (not ugly, but not really good either) at least they all still resemble a human being.

Think thats a npc from Starfield. Its got that RNG Bethesda look to it.

Edit: beaten to it.

 

[mckmas8808]

GOOD! It's about time!

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

There is always politics. But it is spice for the setting, not the meat. For example there is plenty of politics in Metal Gear Solid, but the game is so good it doesn't matter.

I like to bring up WuKong as the most recent example. With anti-China sentiment at an all time high, AND with the game running Denuvo, you would think such a game would be beaten to death on arrival. But a good game is a good game, and Wukong was good, so all minor sins are forgiven.

I will never wait time and resources to "fight" DEI, i don't care enough. But i do care about accidentally buying a shit game, so if DEI is a way to detect a shit game, it only saves my wallet.

Having political stories and political agendas in games are not the same thing.

 

[Jinxed]

Maybe political agendas should just stay out of entertainment.

It'll come eventually. Toyota pulled out of dei entirely. People are fed up with it

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It'll come eventually. Toyota pulled out of dei entirely. People are fed up with it

Best way to purge DEI and political agendas is simply hit them in the pocketbook. It's just that some companies (often media related) seem to be stubborn and keep going.

Budweiser immediately changed their advertising after the Dylan trans promo tanked sales 30%. They started churning out more typical college party ads and paid UFC a big contract to be the official beer of people punching and kicking each other in the head. P&G did the same with that anti-dad ad way back whether they tried to make fathers look like morons. They pulled the ad fast after Gillette got hosed.

The problem is that (as funny as it is) media companies some reason seem to double down or keep it going, which can lead to layoffs or studios tanking or popular franchises tanking (SW). Bud or Disney or P&G after getting hit with some bad press and sales arent going belly up. They'll survive no problem. But most gaming companies in general are not as big or have coffers to absorb hits like that. So once they tank, it can be finito.

 

[Moneal]

There is always politics. But it is spice for the setting, not the meat. For example there is plenty of politics in Metal Gear Solid, but the game is so good it doesn't matter.

I like to bring up WuKong as the most recent example. With anti-China sentiment at an all time high, AND with the game running Denuvo, you would think such a game would be beaten to death on arrival. But a good game is a good game, and Wukong was good, so all minor sins are forgiven.

I will never wait time and resources to "fight" DEI, i don't care enough. But i do care about accidentally buying a shit game, so if DEI is a way to detect a shit game, it only saves my wallet.

Yea. Funny that the workest game of last year is also the best selling games. Not because the woke crowd bought it. They called for boycotts of it. Hogwarts legacy had one of the most diverse cast of characters in a game and a key plot character that was trans. Half the teachers were minorities as were half of the companions. It was a huge success because it was fun and didn’t beat you over the head with a political agenda. It had one of you paid attention to the plot. Discrimination based on immutable characteristics or how you were born is bad, basically the same one the original HP series had. The trans character was an actual character and not a stand in for the trans community. There is only one line of dialogue where it is even mentioned they were trans in passing and a good side quest on their backstory. Were the woke activists and journalists satisfied with all that. Nope. Gamers seemed to be though.

 

[lmimmfn]

Best way to purge DEI and political agendas is simply hit them in the pocketbook. It's just that some companies (often media related) seem to be stubborn and keep going.

Budweiser immediately changed their advertising after the Dylan trans promo tanked sales 30%. They started churning out more typical college party ads and paid UFC a big contract to be the official beer of people punching and kicking each other in the head. P&G did the same with that anti-dad ad way back whether they tried to make fathers look like morons. They pulled the ad fast after Gillette got hosed.

The problem is that (as funny as it is) media companies some reason seem to double down or keep it going, which can lead to layoffs or studios tanking or popular franchises tanking (SW). Bud or Disney or P&G after getting hit with some bad press and sales arent going belly up. They'll survive no problem. But most gaming companies in general are not as big or have coffers to absorb hits like that. So once they tank, it can be finito.

They're all being sold the same crap, update your brand for the modern audience, get more sales as its inclusive and therefore more cash.
Yep, worked great for budweiser lol.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

They're all being sold the same crap, update your brand for the modern audience, get more sales as its inclusive and therefore more cash.
Yep, worked great for budweiser lol.

Bud sales never recovered. It's been a year and a half and sales are still down about 30% last time I read. I thought it'd recover at some point. Nope.

It's sustained so hard in the red, Bud is now 3rd highest beer share in the US. Modelo took over #1 last year and recently another brand took over second place.

lol

 

[laynelane]

Best way to purge DEI and political agendas is simply hit them in the pocketbook. It's just that some companies (often media related) seem to be stubborn and keep going.

Budweiser immediately changed their advertising after the Dylan trans promo tanked sales 30%. They started churning out more typical college party ads and paid UFC a big contract to be the official beer of people punching and kicking each other in the head. P&G did the same with that anti-dad ad way back whether they tried to make fathers look like morons. They pulled the ad fast after Gillette got hosed.

The problem is that (as funny as it is) media companies some reason seem to double down or keep it going, which can lead to layoffs or studios tanking or popular franchises tanking (SW). Bud or Disney or P&G after getting hit with some bad press and sales arent going belly up. They'll survive no problem. But most gaming companies in general are not as big or have coffers to absorb hits like that. So once they tank, it can be finito.

Going by some of the tweets and articles regarding developers - it seems like the problem is in the house, so to speak. There seems to be quite a few activist types actively involved in game development and at all levels/functions. With Budweiser and companies like that, it's like they wanted to ride a trend to hopefully make more money. It didn't work out and was actually harmful so they backed off. However, with some game companies, it's an entrenched mindset and comes across that ideological beliefs are more important than any other factor. That mindset is the real issue, I think. It's why we see devs ignoring any and all criticism (eg. character designs in Concord) or even just basic common sense and observance of market trends.

 

[larrybrady]

as if we need a list when they leave their hallmark in every game they work on:

Wth game is that on the bottom left,?.. looks like the hulk awaken in the morning and said F-it,I'm going out wearing black face today...top left chick is kinda ok

 

[DarkstarRising13]

Going by some of the tweets and articles regarding developers - it seems like the problem is in the house, so to speak. There seems to be quite a few activist types actively involved in game development and at all levels/functions. With Budweiser and companies like that, it's like they wanted to ride a trend to hopefully make more money. It didn't work out and was actually harmful so they backed off. However, with some game companies, it's an entrenched mindset and comes across that ideological beliefs are more important than any other factor. That mindset is the real issue, I think. It's why we see devs ignoring any and all criticism (eg. character designs in Concord) or even just basic common sense and observance of market trends.

The moment these games bomb, any sympathies or tolerance for this woke-infected crap is off the table. Video game companies cannot afford a flop and with the amount of DEI-infested crap bombing hard such as Concord, Dustborn, Flintlock: Siege of Dawn, Star Wars: Outlaws, and Unknown 9: Awakening, DEI will lose all support and funding, and any developers who still want this will be fired and blacklisted.

 

[laynelane]

The moment these games bomb, any sympathies or tolerance for this woke-infected crap is off the table. Video game companies cannot afford a flop and with the amount of DEI-infested crap bombing hard such as Concord, Dustborn, Flintlock: Siege of Dawn, Star Wars: Outlaws, and Unknown 9: Awakening, DEI will lose all support and funding, and any developers who still want this will be fired and blacklisted.

That's the way businesses should work. It just seems that when it comes to the gaming landscape, some companies are having a really hard time understanding the long-standing truth of 'the customer always comes first'. That said, the momentum of the push back against DEI in gaming is only increasing. I think it will come down to a choice between imposing ideals on a disinterested audience vs. making a game people want and reaping the rewards of that. For the companies that refuse to choose the latter, well, they'll only have themselves to blame for what will inevitably happen.

 

[ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT]

Are you mentally okay?

You are talking to a leftist who is scared to admit it so that he won't get labelled and is only commenting into these kind of threads, just like flies are attracted to feces.

 

[DeepEnigma]

as if we need a list when they leave their hallmark in every game they work on:

In the first decade of the 2000s, we had masculine bald space marines.

Now, we have masculine fugly women.

What a shitshow.

 

[EviLore]

In the first decade of the 2000s, we had masculine bald space marines.

Now, we have masculine fugly women.

What a shitshow.

At least there were technological excuses for the generic bald guys at the time. Poor ones, but better than nothing. Now we’re just being gaslit.

 

[DeepEnigma]

At least there were technological excuses for the generic bald guys at the time. Poor ones, but better than nothing. Now we’re just being gaslit.

Yep. Hair shaders and tessellation were not quite there yet compared to skin/materials shaders and textures. Gaslighting for sure. They don't uglify the male characters or hyper alter the actor likenesses like they do with the females. They have deep rooted hatred for actual women. Especially the pretty ones.

 

[TransTrender]

Relevant

 

[BbMajor7th]

In the first decade of the 2000s, we had masculine bald space marines.

Now, we have masculine fugly women.

What a shitshow.

The funny part is that because gaming in the '00s was nothing but, square-jawed American space marines, it's often argued that "white men are being represented - you guys get to see yourselves in games!"

Like, those kinds of characters do not represent 99% of 'white men' and they're not even aspirational characters to most - they're lame, generic avatars devoid of any complexity or depth and, honestly, they're no less stereotypical than the air-headed damsel in distress.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The funny part is that because gaming in the '00s was nothing but, square-jawed American space marines, it's often argued that "white men are being represented - you guys get to see yourselves in games!"

Like, those kinds of characters do not represent 99% of 'white men' and they're not even aspirational characters to most - they're lame, generic avatars devoid of any complexity or depth and, honestly, they're no less stereotypical than the air-headed damsel in distress.

At best, they're a power fantasy not unlike Predator, Rambo, Kickboxer, etc..

What fantasy do these fugly women serve? A mental illness?

 

[Alebrije]

Wth game is that on the bottom left,?.. looks like the hulk awaken in the morning and said F-it,I'm going out wearing black face today...top left chick is kinda ok

It's from the new Barbie Game.

 

[laynelane]

Yep. Hair shaders and tessellation were not quite there yet compared to skin/materials shaders and textures. Gaslighting for sure. They don't uglify the male characters or hyper alter the actor likenesses like they do with the females. They have deep rooted hatred for actual women. Especially the pretty ones.

The whole 'averting the male gaze' excuse always came across as superficial to me. I agree about there being a deep-rooted hatred of women. The consistent refusal to represent women as they actually are, the application of masculine traits (physically, mentally, and emotionally), etc. - all point to that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The whole 'averting the male gaze' excuse always came across as superficial to me. I agree about there being a deep-rooted hatred of women. The consistent refusal to represent women as they actually are, the application of masculine traits (physically, mentally, and emotionally), etc. - all point to that.

It's almost as if they're being pushed by men masquerading as women. It's a wonder these females end up that way in these games.

 

[laynelane]

It's almost as if they're being pushed by men masquerading as women. It's a wonder these females end up that way in these games.

Veilguard certainly supports that conclusion - the inability to create a female character with curves is a great example. Then there's also men and women who do this:

"Kay is meant to be approachable, a petty thief who ends up barreling through this story, making bad decisions and centered with a lot of humor, humility, and toughness," Gerighty said. "That's what's important to me. And she's beautiful, come on."

Source.

So, pretty women are not approachable according to the director of Outlaws. I bet he thinks they can't be strong and competent too. As well, I watched a video where an insider said the women involved in making Outlaws were onboard with making her "plain" too. We've talked about this before, but so many activists make women their personal battle ground. It's such a long-standing problem and I wish they'd just fucking stop already. I have no issue with cute, beautiful, pretty, plain, or ugly women. I don't think many people do. It's this consistent issue of putting female characters in a box, unrelated to how they really are, and calling it progressive that we see so much of nowadays. That said, I've been speaking with my wallet on this for a long time now and it's been good to see so many others starting to do so, as well.

 

[DeepEnigma]

We've talked about this before, but so many activists make women their personal battle ground. It's such a long-standing problem and I wish they'd just fucking stop already. I have no issue with cute, beautiful, pretty, plain, or ugly women. I don't think many people do. It's this consistent issue of putting female characters in a box, unrelated to how they really are, and calling it progressive that we see so much of nowadays. That said, I've been speaking with my wallet on this for a long time now and it's been good to see so many others starting to do so, as well.

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[stn]

Veilguard certainly supports that conclusion - the inability to create a female character with curves is a great example.

This is actually my biggest complaint. I'm all for giving the option of making trans characters, but removing the ability to make certain types of female characters really goes against the "inclusive" vibe they seem to want. All it says to me is that they want to push/force people to create female characters in a certain way, which I don't think is fair.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This is actually my biggest complaint. I'm all for giving the option of making trans characters, but removing the ability to make certain types of female characters really goes against the "inclusive" vibe they seem to want. All it says to me is that they want to push/force people to create female characters in a certain way, which I don't think is fair.

Their inclusiveness stops at their warped ideology. Anything outside of that is excluded.

 

[Gambit2483]

This is actually my biggest complaint. I'm all for giving the option of making trans characters, but removing the ability to make certain types of female characters really goes against the "inclusive" vibe they seem to want. All it says to me is that they want to push/force people to create female characters in a certain way, which I don't think is fair.

Exactly. They'll happily let you make an obese 280lbs women that's supposed to be a physically capable warrior but heaven forbid you try to make a female that has a natural hourglass figure.

It makes you wonder if there was  any actual outside feedback or input from playtesters.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Has anyone mentioned that the removal of the client list is not practicing transparency to the consumer? It is even more sinister.

What predators do.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

i think its from Starfield

The future is ugly.

 

[StueyDuck]

This is actually my biggest complaint. I'm all for giving the option of making trans characters, but removing the ability to make certain types of female characters really goes against the "inclusive" vibe they seem to want. All it says to me is that they want to push/force people to create female characters in a certain way, which I don't think is fair.

Isn't making a trans character technically an oxymoron.

I think that's kind of the biggest confusion, the whole point is that you don't want to be a man/woman you want to be the opposite.

So surely the ultimate fantasy in a character creator that represents a trans person is to simply just create a character in the desired gender .

But I bet you look at their social media and online profile they'll insist others call them by the opposite gender and cancel those who misgender them but when given the opportunity to create a virtual version we have to have top scars and body a and body b .

I don't know if I'll ever be able to hit myself on the head with enough bricks to make the logic make sense to me.

 

[Tangerine]

 

[Cyberpunkd]

So surely the ultimate fantasy in a character creator that represents a trans person is to simply just create a character in the desired gender .

See, this is exactly what I don’t get as well. You are not trans, you identify either as a man or a woman or (ok, why not) neither. But there is no option for neither.

 

[Cakeboxer]

WTF? SBI wanted 7 million for ruining Black Myth Wukong? Now i get why the game got attacked.

 

[GymWolf]

Isn't making a trans character technically an oxymoron.

I think that's kind of the biggest confusion, the whole point is that you don't want to be a man/woman you want to be the opposite.

So surely the ultimate fantasy in a character creator that represents a trans person is to simply just create a character in the desired gender .

But I bet you look at their social media and online profile they'll insist others call them by the opposite gender and cancel those who misgender them but when given the opportunity to create a virtual version we have to have top scars and body a and body b .

I don't know if I'll ever be able to hit myself on the head with enough bricks to make the logic make sense to me.

I've tried to make sense to that for a long time dude and my explanation is that many people just wanna be treated as special beings that are neither men or women, it's all performative bullshit to get attention compared to the people who transition because they actually feel like they were born in the wrong body and they are happy when people consider them full women\men and not fucking hibrids.

It is the only explanation possible.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Jesus christ; she is truly an insufferable bitch. I absolutely detest anyone who plays the victim card. As a casual gamer I've been 'annoyed' by the influence of DEI/SBI but I must admit, this video has made me detest SBI far greater than I could have possibly even imagined or cared.

 

[Lumyst]

I've tried to make sense to that for a long time dude and my explanation is that many people just wanna be treated as special beings that are neither men or women, it's all performative bullshit to get attention compared to the people who transition because they actually feel like they were born in the wrong body and they are happy when people consider them full women\men and not fucking hibrids.

It is the only explanation possible.

That is exactly it, the “special being” is actually a person who practices a religion called “transgenderism” where they believe they’ve “transcended” perceived restrictions of gender and some even go so far as to use surgeries to showcase their adherence to the religion (like baptism). It’s an offshoot of Marxism too where they swap “class” with “gender.” I was first made known of transgenderism by a transgender woman who is a conservative, that can be described exactly as the second part of your statement, who did an interview for transgender visibility day and surprised the interviewer by saying she is conservative, and talking about the problems of the transgender movement which included the hijacking by the transgenderists (done as a religion and not because they “feel they are in the wrong body or always strongly wanted to be the opposite sex even since childhood without outside influence). She said how she perceives herself and feels about herself is what matters, and she isn’t going to be bothered by or expect all people to perceive her how she does.

 

[Doczu]

They can hide all they want. I have transcended the need to use a webpage to see woke infestation.