flipswitch
Member
Game is very competitive, you're always up against tough competition in the same class as you, so you can't just blow by them with a higher spec car. 1st and 12th could just be 5 seconds apart.
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DRIVECLUB |OT2| You Can't Rush Evolution
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Pretty much, and this attitude is stinking up all the DC threads at the moment.
Is this a completely botched launch with a ton of issues? - Yes, absolutely
Am I still able to have a tonne of fun with what does work? - No doubt, haven't had this much fun with a racer in years.
Will wallowing in misery about the issues mean they get solved quicker? - Obviously not.
I get that there are many disappointed people, rant away all you like, but no one is defending the problems, they're just able to look past them and get get a lot of satisfaction from what does work. Please stop trying to bring us down because we're not as pissed off as you.
Yeah, that rubber band AI :-/
Yep, people have been denying it but it's definitely in there if not more subtle than motor storm.
You can have a direct effect on an AI's lap time just by driving slower. You can also catch up with the herd in an instant whereas you've gotta land some pretty perfect laps at full speed to even think about getting more than 2 seconds away from them.
The only rubberbanding in the game is when you get so far behind the rest that the AI slows down a bit for you to catch up.
If you are in front the AI just drives better to catch you, they can't go any faster than their car let them go.
Nah, ofcourse people can dislike the AI but there's also people that love the AI and I'm one of them.
NullPointer
Member
Yep, and I haven't seen anybody denying it. The rubber-banding, and specifically the AI slowing down to a crawl when the player messes up is my one big criticism when it comes to the parts of the game that work ;p
I don't mind aggressive AI though, and they've never come from behind unfairly that I've noticed. But in one of the Inside Sim Racing videos the host crashed three times - and I'm talking complete spin-offs the road and going sideways - on the last lap mind you - and he still finished first. It was an early race, but that really shouldn't have happened.
Were they drafting you or in a car with a higher top speed? One of those seems to be true when I've had that happen. That or I've seen the AI getting a better start off of the line because they nail their shifting. On straights its either drafting or a better car, or maybe you hit the brakes too much on that last turn?
EarsOfASnake
Member
The former isn't the only thing Drive Club has. You can do slightly slower laps, speed up near the end and blow by everyone. You can consistently lap two seconds faster than the top challenge time and still come second with no errors.
The latter part of your post isn't true either, bouncing off the limiter in the Mono, a Atom blows by me like it's nothing. Impossible due to the gear ratios.
I have a feeling the developers will conceed there's something off about the AI again, in the first instance they absolutely denied any kind of rubber banding. Then it was a half band. I've experienced the above which leaves little doubt in my mind something is amiss.
I guess so.
Maybe that inferior car had higher acceleration than yours?
Anyway one of the developers said exactly what I just said and I don't have any reasons not to believe him.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Are you guys being honest when you say you are having fun?
I am just grinding my levels out, I am committed to reaching level 50 just to say I did not waste money.
even got the trophy for 1 million points drifting, and it is just because I am always out of control anyway
I can't really enjoy something I suck at, it is not that I am not trying I am having flashbacks of the times I sucked at Test Drive Unlimited loved the game but I could not manage to control the cars well enough, this is not a sim but there is no arcade fun to be had, I want to feel the rush of blasting passed the AI but this one is more of endurance and patience
As soon as I use a car beyond Sport, Spinout city for me I know I am doing something wrong (Not hitting the break enough or at all lol)
I am sure I just have not unlocked the car that has the grip on the road that suits my wild driving.
I hate hitting the brake so all my cars look like a flatten soda cans mid race
wish I could turn that function off I make these beautiful cars look horrible
I would love a guide or wiki to know the stats for each course, I want to know how long they are in Miles.
I am just grinding my levels out, I am committed to reaching level 50 just to say I did not waste money.
even got the trophy for 1 million points drifting, and it is just because I am always out of control anyway
I can't really enjoy something I suck at, it is not that I am not trying I am having flashbacks of the times I sucked at Test Drive Unlimited loved the game but I could not manage to control the cars well enough, this is not a sim but there is no arcade fun to be had, I want to feel the rush of blasting passed the AI but this one is more of endurance and patience
As soon as I use a car beyond Sport, Spinout city for me I know I am doing something wrong (Not hitting the break enough or at all lol)
I am sure I just have not unlocked the car that has the grip on the road that suits my wild driving.
I hate hitting the brake so all my cars look like a flatten soda cans mid race
wish I could turn that function off I make these beautiful cars look horrible
I would love a guide or wiki to know the stats for each course, I want to know how long they are in Miles.
No they weren't drafting because they were in the other lane and I had the fastest car in the hot hatch series and the ai were in slower cars and some how I look past and two of them blow past me.
NullPointer
Member
I don't know then - just haven't seen that myself is all, and I have had races where I've left the AI in the dust so they couldn't have been tightly tethered.
Now I have seen them slow down, plenty of times, and they slow down to a crawl.
You have to play more with the throttle I think.
Don't press the gas button in full but press a bit easier so you maintain your grip.
And practice ofc.
Everytime I went from my current class to the next (f.e. Performance to Sports) I had to learn using those kind of cars first before I could beat the events.
Smiles and Cries
Member
hey denied the rubber band?
I set up a 25 lap event vs 11 just to listen to a podcast and drift all over the track, I drift crash roll the car so many times on lap 15 the first, second, third place car lapped me. I kept listening to the podcast not paying much attention for the next 10 laps finished in 8th place.
not sure how I could get lapped and still catch up later racing pretty much mindlessly to catch up to the whole pack to finish 8th
why would they deny the AI brakes and waits for you?
mangochutney
Member
So AI is not allowed to overtake you then is that how it works?
afaik they only said "AI cars can't go over the capacities the cars have", so THAT kind of rubberbanding is not present.
"Majority" of DriveClub owners can now connect online - Still no word on the PlayStation Plus version.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-10-20-majority-of-driveclub-owners-can-now-connect-online
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-10-20-majority-of-driveclub-owners-can-now-connect-online
The leaderboards are still not woooooorking, dont lie >:-(
..I am really loving the game, but I found myself replaying the same course for 4 days now to check whether it finally saves my time. In the meantime I got pretty fucking good at the course, lol.
Smiles and Cries
Member
You have to play more with the throttle I think.
Don't press the gas button in full but press a bit easier so you maintain your grip.
And practice ofc.
Everytime I went from my current class to the next (f.e. Performance to Sports) I had to learn using those kind of cars first before I could beat the events.
Yes, this makes sense, I want to try harder at learning how to Drive I need to stop treating it like a Need For Speed
I just kept my finger on the gas button at all times some cars I go from a stop position to just tire spinouts, I know I am not playing this right. Its like I need driving lessons for each class so yeah I'll have to invest some time later to learn and practice too eager to go fast
Beautiful!
BradleyLove
Member
Has anyone thought about collating a post of realistic improvements to pass on to Rushy?
Here's a few of mine:
1. Config "loadouts". Playing "pass-the-controller" is a bit of a ballache as I'm a Cross/Square/Manual/Bumper kind of guy and my bud is a R2/L2/Auto/External kind of guy. It's such a chore totally changing the config between go's.
2. Some kind of couch multiplayer mode. Set up events, etc, so there's some kind of tournament or something. Make "pass-the-controller" mean something.
3. Ditch the off-track penalties. They're killing the sense of fun. If necessary alter off-track areas to sap even more speed. Eurogamer summed it up best with their "Driveclub Police" comment.
That's it for now.
Here's a few of mine:
1. Config "loadouts". Playing "pass-the-controller" is a bit of a ballache as I'm a Cross/Square/Manual/Bumper kind of guy and my bud is a R2/L2/Auto/External kind of guy. It's such a chore totally changing the config between go's.
2. Some kind of couch multiplayer mode. Set up events, etc, so there's some kind of tournament or something. Make "pass-the-controller" mean something.
3. Ditch the off-track penalties. They're killing the sense of fun. If necessary alter off-track areas to sap even more speed. Eurogamer summed it up best with their "Driveclub Police" comment.
That's it for now.
Also don't compare yourself with a lot of the people in here, cause it seems many posters are racing gods.
Just take your time to learn the driving mechanics for every class.
Smiles and Cries
Member
ok thanks, have any of you guys won races where you were very far ahead of the second place AI?
EarsOfASnake
Member
Of course not, at what point did I say that? :/ but when I get better drive out of a corner, go side by side and the underpowered car just pulls away there is clearly something up. It's something that is highlighted even more when you are both driving the same car.
-Amon-
Member
Happened lots of time to me, that's the usual output when i go back to the first races and re run them.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Also don't compare yourself with a lot of the people in here, cause it seems many posters are racing gods.
Just take your time to learn the driving mechanics for every class.
well yeah, the racing community has some serious drivers, just saying I suck because it is the truth if I am denting every car so not even comparing myself to guys on here. I just love racing games but I don't even own a wheel so I am just enjoying parts of this game I can enjoy for now.
I do need to take my time and practice
they say servers are up for mostly everyone ha any of you guys gotten Driver Statistics to Load under DRIVER PROFILE?
I would love to see my progress it would help me set goals to keep playing
johnnyquicknives
Member
The difference is between the games AI adjusting dynamically throughout the race based on how well you are playing and rubberbanding, which is artificially speeding cars up beyond their ability.
The AI never drive perfectly because it would be virtually impossible for you to catch up with them, lets say they are typically are driving 70% as well as they possibly could (taking corners a little too cautiously, not carrying as much speed through sections as they can). When you are in last place this could be dialed down to 30% and when you are in the lead it can be turned up to 90%.
That isn't rubber banding, its just the AI driving slightly better or worse in order to keep you feeling like you are in a race. Rubber banding is specifically giving a car a higher top speed, or faster acceleration, than it should have.
Good explanation indeed, I also think this is the case.
Smiles and Cries
Member
thanks now I understand
kriskrosbbk
Member
Can't connect ,can't connect ♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪.
Glad to know I'm bit the only one cynically abusing the game for those clean laps.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Every time I see them make these announcements, it just pisses me off more and more.
Even IF people were "online", that doesn't mean it's actually working properly. Sure I'm online. But having to trial and error 10 times before I can join a race, only to get booted at the beginning of the race means nothing.
Still can only choose from a revolving door of events that I don't care about. Still can't just join an endurance race (the only kind I like) when I want to. Still can't just setup a private race with friends.
Fix the game, then tell me about how online I am.
Thanks.
Smiles and Cries
Member
oh you guys need to post these things more often I love o grind these types of things when bored
love any exploits
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Being looked in to apparently.
Tfault
Member
Paul Rustchynsky comment on rubber banding
Not sure 'slow down a little' seems correct as they seem to slow down a 'lot'. Would agree with others that the AI should not slow down. You can always restart the race after falling to far behind if need be.
Loving the racing otherwise.
Not sure 'slow down a little' seems correct as they seem to slow down a 'lot'. Would agree with others that the AI should not slow down. You can always restart the race after falling to far behind if need be.
Loving the racing otherwise.
EdwardTivrusky
Member
Keep on practising and ignore the Driving Gods for now. My housemate who puts in MANY hours of Gran Tourismo just sat down and had the RUF Hyper Car nailed within 2 laps of the Scottish track. First time he'd ever sat down with the game.
Some people are just bloody good at driving whereas i have to fight for every improvement i make but i'm getting there and getting better
... and yes, i am having fun! Lots
There is definitely rubberbanding in this game especially when you are in the last position but it's nowhere as annoying/game breaking like Motorstorm: PR or teleporting cops in NFS: Hot Pursuit.
But you can cheat the AI using rubberband, because it's best to be 12th than 8th. In 12th everyone "stops" to wait for you, in 8th everyone still keeps racing at their best. So if you make a mistake and drop some places it's best to get to last...
In 1st I always notice that I can't create a decent gap immediately (still won a bunch of races with +3 second leads) but that's especially because of a side effect of being 1st and not knowing the car/tracks very well: not having a benchmark ahead of me, so I make more mistakes and end up messing exit speed out of corners which end up losing time during the next straight.
But you can cheat the AI using rubberband, because it's best to be 12th than 8th. In 12th everyone "stops" to wait for you, in 8th everyone still keeps racing at their best. So if you make a mistake and drop some places it's best to get to last...
In 1st I always notice that I can't create a decent gap immediately (still won a bunch of races with +3 second leads) but that's especially because of a side effect of being 1st and not knowing the car/tracks very well: not having a benchmark ahead of me, so I make more mistakes and end up messing exit speed out of corners which end up losing time during the next straight.
If that's the case I believe it's very careful wording, is it possible that the AI cars do not share the same base attributes as those shown on the car selection screen?
That would explain the Mono/Atom example I've experienced and yet not fall foul of their stretched definition of rubber band AI. No speed boosts, but the car has its own model that is different to the ones we use and has a higher top speed/acceleration/grip/etc.
oh you guys need to post these things more often I love o grind these types of things when bored
love any exploits
There are obvious limits placed by skill in the game, but sometimes its worth thinking tactically about getting stars across a couple of races if you're struggling - focus on getting a hot lap, then the top three place if you're having issues with consistency, for example.
Just one more try!