Mr.Wreckless
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I'd say MS did a great job pushing online services on consoles this gen. It seems like whatever MS did Sony was there to copy later.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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I'd say MS did a great job pushing online services on consoles this gen. It seems like whatever MS did Sony was there to copy later.
True for some perhaps, but I doubt its this simple. If it were just a case of companies dictating what they want to do and consumers adapting, a lot of defunct or devastated companies like Atari and Sega would still be making and selling consoles.
If its really the case that you can't easily play borrowed or used games, sell games, or do much of anything offline, that's pretty big. I'd also add it isn't simply parity with PC either - that's a whole different deal, with more factors involved than just Steam sales.
That's true but that's because they're Apple. Microsoft wants so badly to be like Apple but they're not. I hope these rumors are all true just to see how the market reacts to it.
Oh I agree and I think it's good that they did as I don't think that just being a pure gaming system will do it anymore. However, the rumor of two cores and three GB's being reserved for the OS and kinect seems a bit excessive.
Every person that is online right now has probably also experienced an unexpected internet blackout that ranged anywhere from a couple of hours to a couple of days. A console the requires an internet connection to play any games, including single player, would be worthless in that scenario. And that one fact is enough to absolutely guarantee that if MS chooses to go this route with game DRM, I will not be buying the next Xbox.
Give me your dream 3 Durango exclusive launch games within reason, people. Obviously it's kind of hard to give new IP's since they don't exist, but whatever. I'll go first:
-Alan Wake 2: After playing through American Nightmare, I'm ready to see a more improved and fleshed out Alan Wake game, and I think there's definitely a lot of potential there. The combat already feels pretty good, and I like where the story is going. Hopefully this time around Rockstar won't release a game on the same day. (Which actually could happen with a GTA V port.)
-Fable IV: Okay, I know, I know. Fable has definitely not gotten better as the series has gone on, even without considering the crappy on-rails shooters. Without Molyneux, I think Lionhead has lost some stuff and gained some other things. They've probably lost a lot of notability, but they've also probably lost a lot of notoriety and shackles to archaic ideas. Maybe now that the series has faded quite a bit into obscurity, and the big boss is gone, Lionhead will be motivated to try and prove themselves. Remember, you can still keep things light and fun in the traditional Fable style, but dialog, fighting, the openness and other things really need to modernize. I could see Fable return to the fantastic experience that Fable 1 was, even beyond it if Lionhead just gives enough of a shit to prove themselves.
-A Rare Game That Doesn't Involve Kinect: Well, maybe a little bit more specific than that...I want to see Rare come back. I don't know how much they respect themselves, but they have to know they've slipped quite a far way down from the peak of the mountain. I'd rather see something from an older series, I'd rather see a Perfect Dark that actually had a decent development run, or a Banjo game that didn't seemed scatterbrained in creation. Microsoft is looking to get the attention of younger audiences, something they've been very successful with since Mincecraft was released on XBLA for the 360, and a new Banjo game could definitely do that.
-Alan Wake 2: After playing through American Nightmare, I'm ready to see a more improved and fleshed out Alan Wake game, and I think there's definitely a lot of potential there. The combat already feels pretty good, and I like where the story is going. Hopefully this time around Rockstar won't release a game on the same day. (Which actually could happen with a GTA V port.)
-Fable IV: Okay, I know, I know. Fable has definitely not gotten better as the series has gone on, even without considering the crappy on-rails shooters. Without Molyneux, I think Lionhead has lost some stuff and gained some other things. They've probably lost a lot of notability, but they've also probably lost a lot of notoriety and shackles to archaic ideas. Maybe now that the series has faded quite a bit into obscurity, and the big boss is gone, Lionhead will be motivated to try and prove themselves. Remember, you can still keep things light and fun in the traditional Fable style, but dialog, fighting, the openness and other things really need to modernize. I could see Fable return to the fantastic experience that Fable 1 was, even beyond it if Lionhead just gives enough of a shit to prove themselves.
-A Rare Game That Doesn't Involve Kinect: Well, maybe a little bit more specific than that...I want to see Rare come back. I don't know how much they respect themselves, but they have to know they've slipped quite a far way down from the peak of the mountain. I'd rather see something from an older series, I'd rather see a Perfect Dark that actually had a decent development run, or a Banjo game that didn't seemed scatterbrained in creation. Microsoft is looking to get the attention of younger audiences, something they've been very successful with since Mincecraft was released on XBLA for the 360, and a new Banjo game could definitely do that.
Version 3.0
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My internet is on pretty much all the time. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I refuse to buy any product that requires that to be the case. First of all, it's not my internet I'm concerned with; it's theirs. When PSN went down for a month, I couldn't play one game that had always-on DRM (unbeknownst to me until then). That was one thing. Having the whole system become worthless is something else entirely.
And, sooner or later, their side of that system will turn off permanently. My confidence in that date being further in the future than my own interest in still playing any of those games is exactly zero.
And lastly, aside from any practical reason, it's simply wrong for a company to dictate to me the conditions of my use of something I buy. Period. It's also arguably illegal, and it should be.
These arent actual ads. They are fake which is why you never get a link. They caught fire bed because eveyone wants to play dumb and hype them up.
They were fun at firsrt until you see how fake they are.
swordsman720
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Totally agree, I will give you one of the examples.
Windows Phone 7, I still have till end of this year on my 2 year contract for my blue Lumia 800.
They already abandoned 7.5 (I am on 7.8 right now)
The same will happen to Windows Surface RT.They are already talking about the successor.
I will save money to buy the next gen console(s) and my first choice is the next xbox, but it might be changed if MS has made lots of f*cked up decisions.
Now it is your move MS.
la flama blanca
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Nice.
This totally deserves a new thread. Someone go for it, I'm on my iPod right now.
What was it for this time? Giving the X360 files and Orbis files to Kotaku? I'm really curious to know who he works for.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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HILARIOUS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ssoN6VcWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f97gcfg5AI
My take (with some help) at summarizing this thread. Sorry it's not in GIF form, I didn't want to spend more time making the files than it took to read the thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f97gcfg5AI
My take (with some help) at summarizing this thread. Sorry it's not in GIF form, I didn't want to spend more time making the files than it took to read the thread.
This MUST have been posted elsewhere, but a search pulled up nothing. Woodysgamertag reckons he has 'leaks' from the current MS investor's conference. I call BS on pretty much all of it (720 only 3x as powerful as 360, no BR drive, two SKUs for example), but what do you guys think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Z7tC8-Wkd0#!
New thread worthy? Someone do it if so. I'm off to bed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Z7tC8-Wkd0#!
New thread worthy? Someone do it if so. I'm off to bed.
Sounds like total bullshit. If he's getting this info from sites why doesn't he link to any of them? Also why would they be demoing next gen hardware on a 360 slim shell? If they're not ready to show off the real thing they wouldn't bother building a devkit into a 360 slim shell, they would just use the devkit.
Are the press/investors even invited to this event? I was under the impression it was an invite only MS employee event.
Are the press/investors even invited to this event? I was under the impression it was an invite only MS employee event.
Video has the source which is this site: http://www.gamingcapacity.com/xbox-720-info-revealed-by-inside-source/
I never heard of that site, so I'm inclined to believe it's BS. Maybe someone else has heard of it?
This sounds like bullshit he's heard through the grapevine.
They're showing it off encased in 360 Slims but don't have a final hardware design? Why would they even bother to show it off in any hardware factor then? It doesn't make any sense. Sounds strange he's will discount select parts of the rumour though, and which select parts specifically. Not worth a thread IMO.
weekend_warrior
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Nothing new or interesting really. 320/500gb HDD, no blu-ray player (I expected MS to use a proprietary BD drive instead), similar specs as the rumors, no real pricing info.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Holy shit this guy maybe from future,he use a March 4 article as source but the Xbox meeting was at March 7,even the video itself still one day earlier than the MS meeting
And i don't even know why this source spec just same as vgleaks but he still think it's only 3x 360
specialguy
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Not really. Even just looking at raw flops of the rumored GPU, it's 5x the 360 gpu not 3x. And with efficiency accounted, probably more like 8x+in real terms. Plus 10x the ram for games, 16x overall, etc.
3x 360 isn't a realistic assessment of performance from the Durango rumors. Overall I'd think at least 8x is.
And I hate these mainstream idiots on youtube making next gen rumors videos. As much time as I spend on forums, it's always old to me, or they're dumb so they just pull some poorly sourced rumor for views, etc. They dont filter the info correctly. It's like a casual/mainstream take on a hardcore subject. Hell to half these guys, 3x 360 performance probably is like "wow amazing, that sure is powerful!"
Yeah, Woody is apparently supposed to be some big cheese where COD info is concerned, but his credibility is getting stretched with these Durango ramblings. Even ignoring all his ancient and debunked rumours dressed up as 'facts', he seems totally unaware about the late April unveiling event, expecting the console to be revealed at E3. Hell, he wasn't even sure that E3 was in June, for fuck's sake.
Epic fail.
Epic fail.
YT trash.
Miles Quaritch
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To be clear, there was an internal meeting about the next xbox last night? How likely is it we get some leaks from this meeting?
NemesisPrime
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Zero likely.
Miles Quaritch
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Figured as much. Just over a month left until the reveal, so I guess it's not too long to wait. Still, some leaks would have been nice. Anything to move the discussion forward.
Real leaks? Unlikely.
Fake nonsense dressed up as insider exclusives? Sadly likely.
MS should throw us a bone with some obvious controlled "leaks".
I think I mentioned this in another thread, but I heard always online isn't DRM related actually, but rather some way to download updates or items in a sleep state, similar to what the PS4 can do. Apparently the two way the systems go about this, technologically speaking, is somewhat different.
It actually would make sense that this crap is at least half to improve functionality. Problem is similar to SimCity is it REALLY worth it to go always online for that? That is assuming the system simply will not work rather than just staying connected unless it can't connect at all.
Aaron Strife
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If they want to include an option to keep it in idle mode or something so it can download updates, be my guest. From what it sounds like though it'd be a mandatory thing to play vidya.
Sony already confirmed that there won´t be an always online requirement for the PS4.
Are they gonna have an online registration thing? Do you have to register on the Wii-U, or is it just pop the disc in and play?
Haven´t heard anything about online registration yet, but it wouldn´t really make sense anyway. There are still way to many customers who aren´t online with their consoles at all.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Is this 2007...?
Judging by the quality of nintendos online system? No. Probably early 2005.
They've said you never have to take the system online and that "PS4 discs will work in all PS4 systems". Given both of those there really is no way to require disc registration to simply play a game. Publishers could still online pass the fuck out of us, but the PS4 isn't going to inherently restrict your ability to play based on the availability of your internet connection.
It... works. You can play online, download games (from a very convenient interface devoid of ads), video chat, browse faster and more conveniently than on any other console, so my guess is we're dealing with an Eastwood Chair situation here.
Ha! Incompetence prevails!
Is the Wii U's online really that bad?
From what I've seen it reminds me of how PSN was when it started out on the PS3.