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[Master_JO]

Is it possible that this is the second xbox version that Timothy Lottes mentioned?

For example:

The same PC game can work on different PC hardware LOW, Medium and ultra hardware.

If I buy crysis 3 on my PC it will work on medium setting because my graphic card are medium, But if someone with better hardware buys it they will get better graphic and performance.

Is it possible or doable that microsoft can release a Medium and an ultra box's?

You buy the same game just like what we do with PC. But the gfx will be different. Medium and Ultra.

Is it possible?

 

[MikeE21286]

You know, second hand sales could work with the activation code thingy - being devil's advocate here- just sell new activation codes, means more money for the publishers, less for the stores, because the game disk would be almost worthless without the code.
The prices would have to be with it though,


I see several issues with that if they allow installs, site "sells" game and code, player installs, activates, returns game, plays since it is installed, sites sell game disk again with new code f for install to hard disk

Second hand implies that it was already used. It would not work unfortunately --- unless you sold your entire XBL profile (which is almost assuredly against ToS)

 

[Ensoul]

Very disappointed if this is true, and I think it is. I have been reading how companies hate the used game market and how they would like nothing better than to get rid of it. Well it looks like they are getting their wish.

I could care less if a console has to be online. Mine always is. The used gaming market does as I rent a bunch of games that I don't feel are with the $60.00+ price tag I pay.

If Microsoft is doing this so is Sony. If these rumors are true I am in no hurry to buy a next gen console. I figure companies will still be making new games for the 360 and ps3 the next 2 or 3 years after the next gen of consoles are released anyway.

People may rant and rave and be upset but at the end of day people will accept this, buy the consoles and games and sony and Microsoft will make a gazillion dollars.

 

[DopeyFish]

It'll be interesting to see the excuses from publishers (and so far, just this manufacturer) when eliminating the second-hand market for console games incurs negligible sales improvement.

It's not just about the now- it's about maintaining a revenue stream

PC games have steam which allows long term revenue and that means they can price down instead of competing with a second hand market which does nothing but cycle money around others, multiple people playing a game off of one purchase

In theory, this could also save brick and mortar game stores and expand games huge with pay on scan

When there's as many developer closures as there have been and many genres disappearing as there have been... I approve of this. Totally helps negate the risk of making a B title

 

[90TilInfinity]

GAMESTOP makes more money than many of the biggest video game publishers

1x New game goes to Publisher

while the game is traded

10x with profits all going to GameStop

GameStop president Paul Raines recently stated that 70 percent of trade credit is spent on new games. Speaking with Gamasutra, the executive reckons that's $1.8 billion going back to the games industry and not directly into GameStop's oft-criticized ecosystem of used trade-ins.

Publishers' issue with used games is that they can't guarantee this money is going directly to them (as a company), regardless of the fact it is healthy for the industry on the whole.

 

[derFeef]

That article does not seem very Edge-like. It's somehow really poorly written and also some false bits are in there.

 

[stalker]

Internet as in "always on-line" is not going to be requested, that can not be true.
Internet needed for initial activation of a retail game is possible, I will not be surprised if this part ends up being true.

 

[Sidewinder]

Wow, Durango is shaping up to be a pretty horrible console. I'll wait until the official unveiling to cast my final judgment, but if only half of the rumors are true, I'm not buying it for over $200.

My exact sentiments.

 

[Sephiroth503]

Sony's patent would suggest they are not going down the always online route no?

 

[Hindle]

Why quote another unfounded rumour if they're so sure of thier source?

 

[ASIS]

No way it will require an internet connection. Absolutely zero fucking chance.

Think about kids having a console in their bedrooms, or the mass of people that never even bothered to connect their consoles to the net in the first place. They are never going to abandon that group so suddenly.

My thoughts exactly. On the other hand, how exactly is the online subscription going to work if they don't do this?

Anyway I'm not liking the direction at all. PS4 will save us though!

 

[Yoshi]

their is same rumors for sony going always online so dont start bashing ms just yet

It doesn't matter, I'd bash Sony there too, immensely. If the next Xbox forces always online, I will not buy the console (or if I have to for reviewing purposes, I'll never buy a game for it, not even Banjo-Threeie if it came and I'm craving for that one for ten years). If the next PlayStation forces always online, I will not buy it either. Heck, if the Wii U successor forces always online, I'll not buy it either, even if it has a Yoshi platformer. Even if it is my dream-3D-Yoshi-exploration-platformer game. This is absolutely not acceptable. At all. Not even remotely. Online activation isn't acceptable either by the way. I don't want to be treated like a criminal for buying games òó.

 

[kingocfs]

Not happening. Always online, especially.

 

[AlphaProspector]

The one where I routinely get games for less than $10, yeah.

The one that has the biggest selection of games in existence (factor in emus and it essentially becomes the Universal Archive of Gaming) and sports the DRM-free banner as well and actually lets me play without Internet if things go down.

How can you people forget of the bloody DRM free? Step outside Steam a bit for a change and you'll find GOG, bundles that offer installers (Desura lets you not only play from the client but download it all DRM-free too if I recall correctly), most indie devs have DRM free builds too and those don't require Internet either so start making dem backups. The japanese indie devs even publish retail DRM-free: I have like 70 retail games like that, all in the $10~$20 price range.

And, yeah, this is sounding dodgy especially when a lot of connections around the world tend to be terrible, mine included (350 kb/s max, hidden bandwidth cap at certain times of the day, permanent cuts in the service, ugh).

 

[Durante]

care to tell me how much sonic allstars racing transformed, far cry 3 and borderlands 2 are on these services right now? Actually I just looked them up myself, all the same prices, all as or more expensive than console versions

If I wanted to buy these games on PC right now I'd pay:
sonic allstars racing transformed: €19.95
far cry 3: €25.79
borderlands 2: €18.47

Each of those is ~€5 less than the cheapest console version I could find. And all of these are outside the sales PC DD platforms are known for (all are actually retail). But really, I'm not your price finder service.

 

[Frank Jaeger]

So sony only has to allow second hand games to win the next generation console war.

I'm OK with this!

 

[TheOddOne]

The quality between the PS4 and Xbox Edge article is really noticable: The PS4 article is really straight forward, with more facts then opinion. The Xbox article is just inconsistant, with really bizarre opinions in it.

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

I won't be surprised if these new consoles turn out to incorporate all the worst PC DRM-always online DRM, no second hand games, one-game-per-account-with none of the advantages PC offers. If so, then count me the fuck out.

 

[Palette Swap]

Ugh. Always online is a deal-breaker for me considering a few times a year my connection goes tits up for a couple of days.
And still no interest in Kinect.

If Sony does the same, I'll be PC only I guess.

 

[clockpunk]

Not going to happen - in isolation, at least. If MS do it, Sony will also follow suit - guaranteed.

 

[lowrider007]

This really doesn't surprise me tbh, right now go and turn on the 360 with no Internet and have scroll through the panels, and then come back and tell me that this isn't the direction Microsoft is going towards, using the current 360 without the Internet is not a pleasant experience.

 

[eXistor]

Definitely skipping it if true.

 

[Can Crusher]

I don't see how can they demand an online connection and no second hand games.

They cray if so. Article makes stuff look bleak as hell for MS though, yikes

 

[Cake Boss]

The 3rd generation curse.

It waa good while it lasted MS.

 

[Herb Alpert]

 

[checkeredknight]

I mainly only buy things first hand anyway, but if new games end up exclusively on an MS or Sony owned storefront at £59.99 a piece then I am out. Why would I buy a new system that seems to do nothing but punish the users?

 

[sublimit]

Even if i put aside the always online/no second hand games rumour,their focus on Kinect crap sounds very disappointing.

I hope Sony stays away as much as possible from Move crap.

 

[SparkTR]

If this is true, and the next Xbox dominates the market, it'll be a sad time for console gaming and I definitely will not contribute to it. There are things Microsoft can do to make to ease this, but they'll never do them and they'll just screw over customers.

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

Microsoft is a giant tech company.

Microsoft is thus aware of the poor state of current internet infrastructures, and that wi-fi networks in the home are still a luxury.

I refuse to believe Microsoft is stupid enough to have always-online (or even online-to-activate) a requirement.

*For the limited number of games that offer off-screen play.

Absolutely no way MS is this stupid.

 

[Tripp Daily]

Following the ups and downs of these rumors is worse than trying to keep track of college football recruiting.

 

[GashPrex]

This forum was universally wrong about the 360 and I'm sure it will be again.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

PC Gaming & Nintendo will rule all.

Exclude Nintendo and I agree.

 

[Doffen]

This is exactly why there are dozens of amazing Iwata/Kaz gifs and no Mattrick gifs

Kazify this.

 

[Voice of Reason]

This forum was universally wrong about the 360 and I'm sure it will be again.

What were the rumors for that?

 

[IrishNinja]

Their Wii U is performing bad, they have nothing to be happy about either

And even though these consoles will come with restrictions, they'll probably sell more than the Wii U

god nibels, its so obvious! why can't you see it?

the WU continues to bomb, but GAF/errbody continue praising the gamecube (despite its awful sales) so iwata just goes FUGGIT and reissues it, but with more colors and a mature/handle-less model

studios happily cut costs by returning to 480p (for those who sold their PS4 to buy component cables), and the industry thrives as AA titles return to the forefront, followed by print gaming magazines

Spoiler

sadly the demand for GC broadband adapters bankrupts most and the industry still crashes because the future refused to change~

I don't believe anyone is dumb enough to do this.

well when you think about it kev it's somewhat plausiOH GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR AVATAR MAN

 

[VanMardigan]

This can't be true. If it is, I'm going ps4 even though that's not what I wanted to do.

 

[DopeyFish]

GameStop president Paul Raines recently stated that 70 percent of trade credit is spent on new games. Speaking with Gamasutra, the executive reckons that's $1.8 billion going back to the games industry and not directly into GameStop's oft-criticized ecosystem of used trade-ins.

Publishers' issue with used games is that they can't guarantee this money is going directly to them (as a company), regardless of the fact it is healthy for the industry on the whole.

$1.8 billion from trade ins, how much are devs and publishers losing from those $1.8 bil in trade ins themselves? A lot more than they are gaining- that's not healthy.

 

[rjfs]

GameStop would not stock it if it blocked second hand games.

So Game stop, the video game store, wouldn't carry what is likely to be the biggest console? If that's the case they might as well close up shop now.

 

[everthustodeadbeats]

I could almost see a reason for Sony NOT to do it if Microsoft does this no second hand games thing. It would be a significant marketing advantage. Sure, they've always wanted to do this, and are doing it with selling digital versions of games, but the first company to actually make sure physical copies of games are dead after a first run might shoot their foot off.

 

[Ashes]

Cmon gaffers, not everything is so dark

IMHO, anti used games is only something good in the end for gamers.
To build a game, you need some super talented guys. Those are the ones that should get properly paid, not a dummy reseller of used games. I have a friend who is a co-owner of Cyanide Studio, and for the time and effort they put in their games, i just hope they get the benefits of it.

For always on, this is a terrible thing, and hope sony patent avoids that.

For high level APIs, well, we'll see if that translates into games.

Having said that and having spent countless hours reading the rumors, ps4 has an edge on my wallet.

lol. Don't developer's livelihood depend on consumers purchasing their content? What you mean is that publishers don't get a cut on the second sale and that publishers think they are entitled to this second sale because it impacts their initial sales pitch.

 

[Tripp Daily]

Microsoft is a giant tech company.

Microsoft is thus aware of the poor state of current internet infrastructures, and that wi-fi networks in the home are still a luxury.

I refuse to believe Microsoft is stupid enough to have always-online (or even online-to-activate) a requirement.

*For the limited number of games that offer off-screen play.

I agree, this to me brings in the credibility of the rumors this site has produced. No way they require always online.

 

[ionicbluebird]

Sony has a big opportunity here.. and they could waste it by also blocking out used games, or they could seriously capitalize on Microsoft's blunder and become (as another poster put it) "the peoples console".

And what's with people saying that if Microsoft does it Sony will follow suit? I think they have more to gain by not following suit. Here's hoping they understand that.

 

[Camp Lo]

This really doesn't surprise me tbh, right now go and turn on the 360 with no Internet and have scroll through the panels, and then come back and tell me that this isn't the direction Microsoft is going towards, using the current 360 without the Internet is not a pleasant experience.

Absolutely. I don't understand how people can sit here and say "No, that's just not possible" with the pay wall and bullshit the 360 has

 

[HylianTom]

Not going to happen - in isolation, at least. If MS do it, Sony will also follow suit - guaranteed.

It's fun to watch folks plug their ears and yell "nyah-nyah-not-happening-la-la-la-can't-hear-you" through this element of the story.. hehe..

Regardless of how things unfold, this is going to be an absolutely fascinating generation to witness.

 

[IrishNinja]

$1.8 billion from trade ins, how much are devs and publishers losing from those $1.8 bil in trade ins themselves? A lot more than they are gaining- that's not healthy.

that's really not nearly as important a question as "how many of those games woud've been purchased new/at full price to begin with", which is not easily answered

 

[checkeredknight]

Exclude Nintendo and I agree.

I think they'll see some increase in sales at least. I'm holding off on a Wii U until I see next-gen systems. If next-gen systems employ policies such as these, I'll definitely be buying a Wii U. It's only one sale, but it's something.

 

[Nibel]

well when you think about it kev it's somewhat plausiOH GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR AVATAR MAN

Okay I lost it at this :lol

 

[metalslimer]

Always online is enough to kill this console let alone no used games. This would be worse than 599

 

[zoukka]

I don't believe they would be that stupid but I would definitely skip the platform completely if the info is true.

 

[DopeyFish]

Sony has a big opportunity here.. and they could waste it by also blocking out used games, or they could seriously capitalize on Microsoft's blunder and become (as another poster put it) "the peoples console".

Devs will just only make games for Durango if Sony opts out