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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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ionicbluebird
Member
I'm sure there's some pressure from devs, but to go to that extreme?
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
If true i see the always online causing more people to look at handheld gaming to be there during required maintenance periods etc. Really people would just build a nice pc if it wasnt for exclusives, i see no reason to even own a next gen console let alone get it day one at this point.
MikeE21286
Member
The double-edged sword is publishers/developers can't sell games on a console nobody buys.
Now the extent to people not buying the console as a result of this is obviously unknown.
metalslimer
Member
No, and they would be forced into making Orbis games when Durango bombed.
As an individual consumer I don't see why I should care about the opinions of the publishers.
On the flip, they won't like it if nobody buys their games because they require always online DRM.
Winterfang
Banned
Well I guess my gaming times are over.
Theres only 40M+ XBL accounts against 75M+ Xbox's in the wild. So I'd argue at least 35M people (and probably way more) would care.
No, who is saying publishers wont be happy. No one.
Seems the VZBV is seeking to go to court with their action against Valve regarding Steam's EULA and stopping of reselling of digital distributed games.
Polishin8r
Member
If true, i won't be getting the thing. Though i doubt this is true, sounds like a commercial suicide. 50GB Blu-Ray and new Kinect i can belive, though neither affects me one bit, either way.
But neither will i jump on Sony's boat, no matter whether they have similar system or not. There never has been a PS exclusive game i'd be interested in, and somehow i doubt that is changing.
But neither will i jump on Sony's boat, no matter whether they have similar system or not. There never has been a PS exclusive game i'd be interested in, and somehow i doubt that is changing.
I gotta beg to differ on this one. Always online? No one will give a fuck about that. Not being able to buy used games or trade games with a buddy? I'd say more than half of the base will care.
Necessary evil in PC due to the ease of copying and sharing, that's plagued it since its inception. Wii and 16-bit CD systems (and DS/PSP on the handheld side) aside as freak exceptions, this has NOT been a serious problem on consoles, so it comes off as petty and mean spirited instead.
If this rumor is for real then I really do hope THIS is the kind of stuff that invokes that 3rd system curse, but hitting too hard for them to want to even stay around. Assuming of course Sony doesn't do it either, if the both do it I guess it'd be too much to hope for the Wii U to completely upend everything in their faces.
flyinpiranha
Member
That's a bad parallel to draw because of the MASSIVE difference in pricing structures. Most PC games are already $10 cheaper at launch and the amount of sales that go on trump any B2G1F sale for consoles that you see yearly.
While the behavior is the same, I really don't care if I can resell Saints Row The Third that I paid $7.45 for.
PC gaming supports the people that will buy day one and supports the people that can't (or won't) pay full price. Do you really expect MS to have Steam/GoG/GMG-like sales? Because I've seen their sales, it's 20% off of something I can get 50% cheaper anywhere else.
And COD sells what? 20m copies each run globally? So even if EVERY COD player "blind sheep" got behind it, who's buying all the other consoles? The RPG sheep? The Fighting Game sheep?
This isn't something you can blame a single type of gamer for, it's everybody if they buy it ... well, except the outspoken on GAF. And I'm not even convinced I wouldn't buy it, even with these restrictions because Internet is starting to be accepted as more of a utility. The only issue I have is buying used because I do. I don't feel 80% of most games that come out are worth $60. If anything, they'd sell the console to me ... but I'd buy very few games for it if the pricing structure didn't follow suit with PC pricing.
Ken Masters
Banned
Xbox will sell, in the mainstream it's now the defacto gaming system
Hey, that sounds almost...normal.
I don't think the "no second-hand games" thing works unless Microsoft AND Sony are on board with it. It'd be a giant misstep for one of the high-end console manufacturers to go down this route if the other one isn't right there with them.
I think the publishers are pushing for this more so than Microsoft or Sony.
I think the publishers are pushing for this more so than Microsoft or Sony.
Yes, you would be. I tend to go with new product because I have a history of nearly every game I bought used to have some issue that prevented me from finishing it, but having that market helps. What if I want a discontinued product? What if the product I have breaks and stops working? I have no faith in such corporations to give a shit about my situation, so I'm not ignorant enough to give them support to have me do things their way or not at all. Fuck, this potential implementation would actually make me pray for a hack that circumvents this, regardless of that's legal, just to spite such a fucking cancerous premise.
Domcorleone
Member
This can't be true. I do not accept this. I will not.
MikeE21286
Member
They have to sell it like an iPad if this is true. It has to be more than a games console first.
Mainstream people buy more used games than NeoGAF members I'd guess.
ionicbluebird
Member
Yes indeed, It's horrible.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
http://www.gamespot.com/news/activision-threatens-to-drop-ps3-psp-6212246
He threatened before to stop supporting the system:
"I'm getting concerned about Sony; the PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform," he said. "It's expensive to develop for the console, and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better. Games generate a better return on invested capital on the Xbox than on the PlayStation."
"They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates are likely to slow," he continued. "If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony." When asked about a time frame he said, "When we look at 2010 and 2011, we might want to consider if we support the console--and the PSP."
Inertia is a weird thing. If all your friends get a PS4, you get a PS4. Brand 'loyalty' is a very fickle thing. You'd be surprised how much word of mouth spreads to a consumer.
My question is, if they planned on no second hand sales then why not go all digital already?
metalslimer
Member
As we've seen this gen publishers are shortsighted, completely stupid, and unwilling to admit their own failed business policies are the causes of their failures.
V
Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
I personally don't have a problem. 99.9999% of the games I buy are new. And I want that money going to my favorite dev/pub. I also remember developers having a harder time working with Playstation's OS. Didn't stop it from becoming a success.
On the other hand, stuff like this would drive Gamestop out of business. And I have no problem with that either.
Win win, baby.
On the other hand, stuff like this would drive Gamestop out of business. And I have no problem with that either.
Win win, baby.
Yes game would probably be tied to your account. So you cant take disc and put it in your friends xbox.
I can deal with the no second hand games if the prices go down. About 30% of the games i buy are second hand. But i cant deal with always online. I played Assassins creed with always online never again will i support that kind of stuff.
Won't affect me but it is a pretty stupid idea if it ends up having both of those things.
I'm sure MS will miss you giving them no money past the initial console sale, of which they'll probably be taking a loss anyway.
I'm sure MS will miss you giving them no money past the initial console sale, of which they'll probably be taking a loss anyway.
Exactly. It's so weird how they don't realize that. I can't tell you how many NEW games I would not have bought without the ability to resell another game or sequels I bought on day one only because I played through the first game when I borrowed it from a friend or bought it at a used price. I can only speak for myself and I know I'm just one guy but they definitely won't be getting as much money out of me as they currently do if they cut out used games.
just asking.. but how can Apple get away with it..? isn´t the iPad games blocked from reselling..? I´m just asking because I really don´t know..
rudieboy77
Member
Yeah, they could be seeing how folks feel about it, the only people who would really notice is us. (gamers really paying attention to the rumors) The vast majority of folks will never hear any of these rumors.
To be honest I do not care if both prohibit used games. PC already has this model, but the prices of games are way more affordable on PC.
Origami Superman
Member
Can't say I'm particularly surprised. (If indeed it turns out to be true)
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
maybe this will work
if all new games cost $20
if all new games cost $20
MikeE21286
Member
because games cost $0.99
metalslimer
Member
I personally don't have a problem. 99.9999% of the games I buy are new. And I want that money going to my favorite dev/pub. I also remember developers having a harder time working with Playstation's OS. Didn't stop it from becoming a success.
On the other hand, stuff like this would drive Gamestop out of business. And I have no problem with that either.
Win win, baby.
Yes, thousands of people losing their jobs and more people not being able to enjoy gaming is certainly a win win for the industry.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Like the Wii was? And the PS2 before that? Consumer behaviour can change, you know.
Voice of Reason
Banned
Or like many people said, use it to their advantage during their reveal where they can hype people up by opposing it.
I'm guessing MS could something in the vein of:
1) Activate and install the game on the console
2) Play the game (being either online or offline doesn't matter as the game has been linked to your console and the account)
That's just a guess though. Obviously, you have to edit your console serial number if you change for a new one. The disks are still handy when having to reinstall the games for people with slow connections.
I think there are good arguments against making it a requirement that you have to be online to play. However, MS might argue that it is worth losing some customers compared to earning less per customer. Blizzard effectively removed the second hand sales of their newer games like D3 and SC2 (Yes, I know you can sell an account, but it's still a bit of a PITA in comparison)
1) Activate and install the game on the console
2) Play the game (being either online or offline doesn't matter as the game has been linked to your console and the account)
That's just a guess though. Obviously, you have to edit your console serial number if you change for a new one. The disks are still handy when having to reinstall the games for people with slow connections.
I think there are good arguments against making it a requirement that you have to be online to play. However, MS might argue that it is worth losing some customers compared to earning less per customer. Blizzard effectively removed the second hand sales of their newer games like D3 and SC2 (Yes, I know you can sell an account, but it's still a bit of a PITA in comparison)