BruiserBear
Banned
Stop making shit up.
If this is some totally made up rumor, Microsoft could easily fix this at any moment. All they have to say is "that rumor is not true", and all of this goes away.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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Stop making shit up.
If this is some totally made up rumor, Microsoft could easily fix this at any moment. All they have to say is "that rumor is not true", and all of this goes away.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
didn't you just say this a bunch of pages ago? Nothing is confirmed for Sony, they've only researched it, just like they research a lot of ridiculous things that never happen. But if it were to happen, it's not even the only bad thing written in this article. Always online/region locking are worse imo.
Also why would this make anyone want to get a wiiU? On Durango you might not be able to play used games, on wiiU you won't be able to as well because there won't be any games
maquiladora
Member
For the new page...
People seem to be forgetting that this isn't the first time this has been reported.
Jan 25, 2012 - http://kotaku.com/5879202/sources-t...t-play-used-games-and-will-introduce-kinect-2
People seem to be forgetting that this isn't the first time this has been reported.
Jan 25, 2012 - http://kotaku.com/5879202/sources-t...t-play-used-games-and-will-introduce-kinect-2
didn't you just say this a bunch of pages ago? Nothing is confirmed for Sony, they've only researched it, just like they research a lot of ridiculous things that never happen. But if it were to happen, it's not even the only bad thing written in this article. Always online/region locking are worse imo.
Also why would this make anyone want to get a wiiU? On Durango you might not be able to play used games, on wiiU you won't be able to as well because there won't be any games
Baconsammy
Banned
If they "go to war" with retailers who are selling used games, they have a ton of soldiers fighting alongside them in the form of development houses and publishers. There will be nothing to stop retailers like Best Buy/Amazon etc to sell new copies of games. If Microsoft is doing this, it's pretty much a given that Sony is as well. And I doubt either will do it without also giving the third parties the direct ability to modify e-store pricing as they wish.
This isn't a denial or confirmation. This is Microsoft sticking to whatever release plan they created long ago. They've gotta be pretty confident in their plan.
and then everyone finds out the premiere PC games distrubution platform, Steam, has been pulling the same damn shit for years. PC gaming won't be in a better position than consoles in respect to this until devs stop relying on steam, which is basically just an always-online DRM client that no seems to notice.
3rdamention
Member
It is pretty interesting. Gamestop's stock is falling, and Microsoft is staying quiet. You would think the suits at Gamestop would be like "Hey Microsoft, we are losing $$$ because people think our Used Game Sales are going to be gutted. Save Us! Help Us! Tell us this isn't true!"
If this weren't true, I would expect someone to at least say something.
SteveWinwood
Member
That'll work. Playing the long game when everyone involved has the attention span of a gnat.
FunnyBunny
Member
I don't see any company instantly and unequivocally denying a rumor about a console that has yet to be announced, in effect damaging its highly-planned (and likely very expensive) reveal planned for this spring.
BruiserBear
Banned
Yeah, but now the console announcement is months away at most, so it's a very different situation.
If both of them pull this crap then I'm going PC+WiiU+handheld exclusive. I could stomach it on PC because I'm not forced to pay $60 (probably $70 for next-gen) for every game.
Do you guys really believe the 'Always on-DMR'? I really can't believe it coming from the same company that didn't allow having texture pack downloads on a second disk, like Halo 4 and BF3 have now, because not every Xbox has a HDD. Also, I don't really know the numbers but wouldn't MS lose quite a big chunk of their potential costumers because even now quite some people don't have their Xbox connected to the internet?
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Yeah....I'm done with next-generation already.
Also why would this make anyone want to get a wiiU? On On Durango you might not be able to play used games, on wiiU you won't be able to as well because there won't be any games
Rimshot!
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
didn't you just say this a bunch of pages ago? Nothing is confirmed for Sony, they've only researched it, just like they research a lot of ridiculous things that never happen. But if it were to happen, it's not even the only bad thing written in this article. Always online/region locking are worse imo.
Also why would this make anyone want to get a wiiU? On Durango you might not be able to play used games, on wiiU you won't be able to as well because there won't be any games
I don't think you understand the ramifications of these announcements. Once people figure out that they will have to buy games full price ALL THE TIME, why would yr average consumer want to buy that console?
Microsoft and possibly Sony will lose a huge share in the market. There will be those people that will not buy these consoles because of these consumer constricting policies. The obvious choice is buying a PC or going nintendo. A resurgence in nintendo popularity will cause an influx of core games to nintendo.
it makes sense to me.
Shalashaska161
Member
I don't think we'll see Sony do it. After all, they didn't do it with the Vita and that just launched a little over a year ago now.
I remember the Kotaku article. If Microsoft responds it's going to be very similar to that response given to Kotaku.
legacyzero
Banned
Maybe this is good news for pc gamers. Hopefully this'll be a good incentive for devs to utilize the PC more.
Gaining what?
Yep.
No one is buying the new consoles now because they aren't available to buy (obviously). Really no need to do anything before the console is actually shown.
Baconsammy
Banned
A rumor convinced you, did it? The very same rumor that was linked to Sony mere months ago.
So if the next xbox has this but ps4 doesn't...does ps4 win next gen?
If both have it, do gamers move to pc? I'd love to see more pc only games so it could be a good thing. Ultimately the consumer is what keeps these companies in business. If the consumers dry up they are done.
If both have it, do gamers move to pc? I'd love to see more pc only games so it could be a good thing. Ultimately the consumer is what keeps these companies in business. If the consumers dry up they are done.
It isn't that different seeing as how MS still hasn't publicly acknowledged the existence of the new xbox.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I think people are kidding themselves if they think this will have a big enough impact to cause a resurgence of the core on a nintendo console. I'm strictly talking about used games here. I think always online is potentially detrimental.
I'm saying most people won't care outside of hobby forums. I'm also saying everything is unconfirmed, for Durango and DEFINITELY unconfirmed for Orbis.
at least steam screws me over for less money.
metalslimer
Member
It wasn't even a rumor. Sony patented it.
I don't know about "every one", but I certainly will. On principle, I won't participate in the destruction of the second-hand market.
Knux-Future
Banned
This would be stupid beyond belief if either decide to do thus shit.
Wii U Future if true.
Wii U Future if true.
Indeed.
Baconsammy
Banned
They should take Microsoft to court immediately and sue them for stealing their idea.
BruiserBear
Banned
Full price all of the time? You're still going to see discounts at retail, just as we do now. Games are often half their price in 4 months these days.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
This is just Sony vs. Microsoft.
Meanwhile at nintendo:
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Meanwhile at nintendo:
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FunnyBunny
Member
There's value in making a news outlet, that publishes damaging and unfounded rumor, look foolish.
They would win for me. This always online bullshit has gone too far.
Regarding the always on line bit...MS knows there metric well. They know there lifetime customer value, the live subs/activity/DLC/etc to sales ratios and other key metrics. Its fairly easy for them to determine the impact of "always online". My guess that the numbers show that after a certain point and period of lapsed time the lose to their customer base and income will be negligble in relation the return and advantages of forcing customers online.
I have no intention of abandoning Sony's platform. Truth be told I'm very upset at the whole constraint against used games, not because it will alter my purchasing habits, but because my family owns multiple consoles at a time and we generally switch them around quite a bit within a generation. I also borrow and lend games to my friends from time to time, so I will have to change these practices a bit with the PS4.
What does hurt is the "always online" concept that just popped up. I am a person who travels a lot and I don't have a stable connection everywhere I go. This is a serious deal breaker for me. MS's consoles have been my least consoles for two generations straight and if any of these rumors hold true I will honestly stop supporting them. No matter how good the tech will be.
Steam hasn't had good prices for the last couple years, if you really want better prices buy from GreenMan, Amazon, etc, which are just online stores with no DRM client attached
ThatsMytrunks
Member
Sounds like they're going the steam/pc route.
On PC, right now, if we buy a game, it usually comes with a steam or shudder origin key, you activate it online, you have almost no use for the disc, and you can't sell your game.
It just sounds like they're moving away from standardized console practice, and I imagine that'll work out just fine, if it happens. Seems like it could.
On PC, right now, if we buy a game, it usually comes with a steam or shudder origin key, you activate it online, you have almost no use for the disc, and you can't sell your game.
It just sounds like they're moving away from standardized console practice, and I imagine that'll work out just fine, if it happens. Seems like it could.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
There is some crazy amount of denial going on in this thread. Reminds me of the "WiiU is two - five times stronger then the 360" crowd.
Where there is smoke, there is usually a fire.
Where there is smoke, there is usually a fire.
Baconsammy
Banned
Meanwhile at Nintendo they're watching the launch of their actually released, non-rumored console, bomb the world over.
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