BibiMaghoo
Member
Next gen MS:
Free online gaming.
Second hand games are Live members only.
That would be genius.
Free online gaming.
Second hand games are Live members only.
That would be genius.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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Or they won't bother responding to pointless information that isn't worth thier time.
Yup. I'm curious to see how the market reacts. My guess is that game sales drop off to the extent that big-budget productions become less common, as sales expectations for those types of games will be unrealistically high. More studios are likely to close, with even less people paying full price for games that aren't Madden, Halo or Call of Duty this time around.
Things will be interesting!
That would be interesting...
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
and then we figure out that we live in a society where video games cause violence...
:O
A feature a company puts in/out of a product is not a "right". It just may be something that changes your decision on a purchase.
Baconsammy
Banned
Yeah, he should really violate his NDA and get fired. That'd be a good move for him to make.
To be fair, Microsoft's headquarters is in an area where it's now 9 AM, so perhaps this story really surfaced long before their workforce has even entered the main building.
FunnyBunny
Member
I did not say that's what happened here, nor would it be that obvious if it had. But both companies will certainly do what they can to undercut their competitors given the fact billions of dollars are at stake.
This is really sad.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
this would be so genius.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
3rd party would have to support it. If this no used thing goes through you can be damn sure the publishers are pushing it, and will push Nintendo to do it. If they don't they'll get less 3rd party support than they have now.
McHuj
Member
I think the problem you have is that these rumors are affecting Gamestop stock prices. You can bet that execs from Gamestop are on the phone with MS trying to get them to issue some sort of statement to deny this.
Yup.
If new games are $30 then I can get on board. $30 is impulse purchase range. If not then this is my last generation of gaming assuming Sony follows suit.
maquiladora
Member
Jan 2012 Kotaku had a story about the same thing.
http://kotaku.com/5879202/sources-t...t-play-used-games-and-will-introduce-kinect-2
Microsoft didn't deny it, just decided 'no comment' :
Vampirolol
Member
Here in Italy (and probably everywhere), second hand market is HUGE. Really, really huge. And probably 70% are casual gamers. I don't think MS/Sony would make more money with a "protection"
Really? How so? It's been known to happen in the industry.
metalslimer
Member
Conspiracy theories sound kind of loony considering if its not true MS can easily deny it and no one will even know about any of this because consumers won't follow this until the thing is actually announced.
alexthekid
Member
This sounds insane to me. Are they actually willing to go into a war with the traditional retailers?
You could say that this only affects Gamestop, but I see it as a way to make the value of retailer games the same as online games. And if they also have online sales as many of you are suggesting then it would be a punch in the face to the whole retailer games business. It seems like suicide for the industry. How much will the holiday sales shrink without stacks of consoles(why sell them, when the margin is tiny and game sales will be low) and games at Walmart, Target, Best Buy and Gamestop. People will be downtown shopping without seeing posters for the NEW MEGA AWESOME GAME OF THE CENTURY SHOOTER 5111.
You could say that this only affects Gamestop, but I see it as a way to make the value of retailer games the same as online games. And if they also have online sales as many of you are suggesting then it would be a punch in the face to the whole retailer games business. It seems like suicide for the industry. How much will the holiday sales shrink without stacks of consoles(why sell them, when the margin is tiny and game sales will be low) and games at Walmart, Target, Best Buy and Gamestop. People will be downtown shopping without seeing posters for the NEW MEGA AWESOME GAME OF THE CENTURY SHOOTER 5111.
Yup. Sony can't take the pressure.
Maybe with the rumours that next Sony and MS consoles are more similar than otherwise were about this..
Also lol @ people trying to find hope in a tweet from Twisted Pixel. That tweet is not any more reliable or informative than any of the anonymous source spreading these same rumours over and over. Yeah, next gen look like it might be pretty shitty in some respects, but there's not much to base conclusions off of. Feb 20th can't come soon enough.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
but who's gonna support a console with anti-consumer policies?
i won't.
i think the publishers may do worse than before.
Updating my earlier post on how much discretionary income Americans have to spend on entertainment:
I was able to find a by quintile breakdown of entertainment spending, that further broke down entertainment spending by type. Here's an older BLS study on entertainment: http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf And here are more recently numbers: ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2011/quintile.txt
Video games, hardware and software, are grouped into the category television and sound equipment, which includes "color televisions, DVD players, VCRs, CD players, video game consoles and software, videotapes and discs, and speakers and various other home theater sound systems."
Looking at spending by quintile from 0-20,20-40,40-60,60-80, and 80-100, the averge American consumer unit spent 977 on average in that subcategory in 2011, broken down as ~500, ~750, ~900, ~1200, and ~1500 on tv's, dvd's, blu-rays, video games, etc. Looking just at the middle quintile, that's about 75 bucks a month, for a whole family. Note if they bought a new TV for 500 bucks, that'd be half their budget for the year, and cut the remaining budget for electronic entertainment in half. Yes, 60 dollars is a lot of money, and video games have priced themselves out of what many people can afford.
I was able to find a by quintile breakdown of entertainment spending, that further broke down entertainment spending by type. Here's an older BLS study on entertainment: http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf And here are more recently numbers: ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2011/quintile.txt
Video games, hardware and software, are grouped into the category television and sound equipment, which includes "color televisions, DVD players, VCRs, CD players, video game consoles and software, videotapes and discs, and speakers and various other home theater sound systems."
Looking at spending by quintile from 0-20,20-40,40-60,60-80, and 80-100, the averge American consumer unit spent 977 on average in that subcategory in 2011, broken down as ~500, ~750, ~900, ~1200, and ~1500 on tv's, dvd's, blu-rays, video games, etc. Looking just at the middle quintile, that's about 75 bucks a month, for a whole family. Note if they bought a new TV for 500 bucks, that'd be half their budget for the year, and cut the remaining budget for electronic entertainment in half. Yes, 60 dollars is a lot of money, and video games have priced themselves out of what many people can afford.
Oh? Do you have any proof?
3rdamention
Member
I thought the fact that it has a BluRay Drive was pretty interesting. I don't know what the alternative would be (digital download only? that would stop used games) but I find it kinda funny how Microsoft held out as long as they could for BluRay adoption, but now, they are in.
I could see the Xbox having BluRay doing for BluRay sales almost what Sony's PS2 did for DVD Sales.
SteveWinwood
Member
He read it on the internet.
Big Takeover
Member
I don't think they'd take such drastic measures without meeting consumers half way. I'd expect it to have peer-to-peer game trading, and buy-back functionality. Would that ease the pain? It would for me.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
It's basically anti-consumer versus anti-publisher.
Glorified G
Member
what more do you need?
catapult37
Member
I hope MS and Sony realize that the only reason the PC model works is that games frequently go on sale for crazy low prices. Without the equivalent of Steam sales, this will. not. work. Pubs don't sell games, gamers don't get to play them. Everyone loses.
If I only ever played games that I bought at full price, I'd buy like 2 games a year vs the dozens of dozens I buy now.
If I only ever played games that I bought at full price, I'd buy like 2 games a year vs the dozens of dozens I buy now.
BibiMaghoo
Member
They already give some publishers a cut of the Live fee. This would encourage adoption from publishers, who would then be rewarded for increased new sales and a supplement from second hand users paying for Live.
MS get to give free online, but get increased subs from those that want used games.
Customers get free online, but need to be subbed to play used games, allowing the market to still exist, the customer not having to buy an online pass or key.
It would be a good move for everyone. A gamer that always buys second hand would be better off as a subscriber than buying online passes. It would also give a cut to publishers from second hand gamers that do not play online, thus increasing their profits once again.
A developer from T10 was caught spreading shit about GT5 several years ago.
CambriaRising
Member
Only when NeoGaf is trying to trick Game Journalists.
McHuj
Member
Yes, it's not just Gamestop, it's Bestbuy, Walmart, Amazon, Gamefly, Ebay they all have a used game system.
I personally haven't sold to Gamestop, but I have on Amazon and Ebay. There are a lot of retailers that will be affected by this.
Come on. If it was indeed a smear campaign from a competitor Microsoft would instantly debunk it. Unequivocally, with no space for misinterpretation or ambiguity.
strikeselect
You like me, you really really like me!
I thought this gen's bullshit was bad with microtransactions and online passes. Next gen sounds much much worse.
and to think, it all started with some innocent horse armor...
I do NOT like the way console gaming is headed.
and to think, it all started with some innocent horse armor...
I do NOT like the way console gaming is headed.
FunnyBunny
Member
An observation; I imagine a Twisted Pixel(Microsoft owned) developer would say nothing if this report were true. Why indirectly confirm a report causing backlash for your parent company unless you have a professional death wish?
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
without the consumer, there is no publisher.
sony and microsoft lose some of their market over this, and therefore PC gaming and nintendo surge in popularity? where will the developers go?
True. This is having real time ramifications for one of the distributors of Microsoft's products. If they say nothing to particularly address or ease concerns, it really points in one direction; that these rumors are not just rumors.
FastRedPonyCar
Banned
Doesn't matter to me. I'll still buy the damn thing and the PS4 too most likely. I'm just here for the gifs. GAF delivers again
That's it? A Turn10 dev shitting on GT5 on this forum?
It sounds like the "games are moving to movie experiences" argument. One viewing and done. It's a sound argument, why we have increasingly shorter games, why iOS gaming boomed and why AAA games are graphics extravaganza with the only replay value being multiplayer.
And then developers and publishers wonder why in the world people want to trade their games in. I finished one Generic FPS, let me trade it in towards Generic FPS 2. The multiplayer community moves along with it so there is no real reason to stick with last years game.
Glass Rebel
Member
yall gamers kneed to buy yo gamez yused and sell them
all the best
glass rebella
ps: prrrrrrrr
all the best
glass rebella
ps: prrrrrrrr
out0v0rder
Member
We made our beds, now we must sleep in them.
Alternatively they could let it stand, reveal that the box has nothing of the sort and make Edge look a joke.