soundscream
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Especially since that's not what I wrote at all.
Are you not reading what I wrote? It will be on PS4 but not optimized to take advantage of the hardware.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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Especially since that's not what I wrote at all.
Are you not reading what I wrote? It will be on PS4 but not optimized to take advantage of the hardware.
If this is real, Microsoft can likely forget about my support until most of this is rectified.
Online-only is inexcusable, while the odds are pretty good that I will always have an internet connection, I shouldn't need to "check-in" for singleplayer games. A one-time disc check with Microsoft's servers is an alternative I could live with, and then you get to play that game offline all you want.
No used games is also a huge negative. I'm not ashamed to admit that most of the games I bought this generation were used, and it's all thanks to on-disc DLC, multi-retailer pre-order DLC, online passes, and all those other shady shit microtransaction practices on top of the $60.00 price tag they ask. These practices will not change with used games out of the picture.
Online-only is inexcusable, while the odds are pretty good that I will always have an internet connection, I shouldn't need to "check-in" for singleplayer games. A one-time disc check with Microsoft's servers is an alternative I could live with, and then you get to play that game offline all you want.
No used games is also a huge negative. I'm not ashamed to admit that most of the games I bought this generation were used, and it's all thanks to on-disc DLC, multi-retailer pre-order DLC, online passes, and all those other shady shit microtransaction practices on top of the $60.00 price tag they ask. These practices will not change with used games out of the picture.
Call Me Maybe
Banned
I don't know, at this point, Nintendo has had seven years to observe how Valve, Apple, Microsoft, and Sony handle digital purchases, as well as their own Wii, DSi, and 3DS. Let's face it, if they wanted to have a universal accounts system, they could, but they just won't, because they are so worried about potential game sharing.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I really hope we have reached the breaking point.
Version 3.0
Member
I hope you're right, but it scares me to think that you're wrong. Look at the ignorant defenders in just this thread alone. Look at the apathetic masses who may not realize what they've lost until it's gone. Scary.
But I still hope this comes to pass. And I hope it creates a huge controversy. I hope all the retailers refuse to carry the Xbox. I hope there are multiple lawsuits, from Gamestop to class action. This shit needs to be settled, even if we lose.
Twilight Princess
Member
sony will likely follow suit if xbox indeed implements such a system.
to the people who're crying boycott, when the next generation of console exclusives come out, the gta's, cod's, halos, assassin's creed's, you WILL buy the system. the publishers have the drug for your addiction, they have you by the balls, so prepare to bend over, with a smile on your face.
to the people who're crying boycott, when the next generation of console exclusives come out, the gta's, cod's, halos, assassin's creed's, you WILL buy the system. the publishers have the drug for your addiction, they have you by the balls, so prepare to bend over, with a smile on your face.
Exactly. There was a point where my internet couldn't maintain a connection to XBox Live or Steam (proprietary flat ISP) and it was an utter nightmare because it was during the time that Steams offline mode barely worked.
There's not a prayer I will buy a console with this requirement. I barely put up with it on Steam and things are cheap on that platform.
flyinpiranha
Member
Comparing to Steam is just a very bad idea based on pricing schemes (the model itself works). The pricing on Steam is what makes the DRM and DD acceptable. I have never paid full price for a PC game except for maybe 3 of them. 90% of the games I have on Steam were bought at over 75% off.
Do you honestly think MS will follow suit with pricing? I don't care about the online only as much as I care about the pricing structure that is most likely going to be in place.
It's not always that easy and it isn't "bending over". If consumers feel the price and structure is enough to warrant a purchase, that's paying for what you think it's worth. Why is this "bending over" if I deem it appropriate for the amount of money I am spending? I also find it funny that only one of the games you mention are actually 'console exclusive'.
Either way, it could work as Steam has shown, but it won't if the pricing isn't there. I also feel that it won't work mainly because you are really cutting off the amount of potential customers. They would most definitely sell LESS than the 360 and I don't see how that would be in the business plan. Their target market shrinks by quite a lot.
Me too. Furthermore, I hope it gets even crazier, and PS4 doesn't have this restriction so we can watch the mudslinging at E3.
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
I bet a lot of people will buy the consoles no matter what. If these rumors are true and there isn't an accompanying massive decrease in the price of hardware and software, then I won't be one of them. I have plenty of retro games and other hobbies to fill my free time.
It may very well be more profitable for MS and Sony to lose people like me if they can extract enough additional revenue from remaining consumers as well as provide a different set of expectations for subsequent generations.
Davey Cakes
Member
It's upsetting news for console enthusiasts who've gotten used to the current mold. I mean, it's not just a slightly negative rumor, it's really negative because it's probably MS's most anti-consumer offense yet, even more than their XBL Gold bullshit.
Really bad news gets a lot of attention. Imagine if Nintendo came out and said "we are instating a fee for Miiverse functionality." That shit would spread the hate like wildfire.
If the rumor ends up being true, I'm going to guess that MS will have some way to "sweeten the pot" as someone else mentioned earlier. Maybe they'll offer discounts of some sort, or deals on a subscription service, or maybe a free game or free MS points with purchase of the console.
Ace Harding
Member
Thinking about this more (because its fun):
Someone just brought up the fact that publishers might be more willing to side with the new Xbox if they can guarantee no used sales. We've also heard that Microsoft is going HARD at exclusives (wasn't there an "8 exclusive titles at launch" rumour?). Maybe this is all a strategy to tie up the biggest exclusives, which would help them a lot?
All the rumors we've seen so far indicate that the hardware will essentially be comparable between the two. The capability of the hardware is becoming less different and less of a driving force for 98% of the people who will buy one console or the other. We all know it will come down to SERVICES and GAMES. If Microsoft can build on XBL in a good way, and lock up the better portfolio of exclusive titles, they can "win" the gen. If these rumors are true, it's all part of that strategy and they have SOMETHING that's going to make their box so attractive that they still think they have a shot even while eliminating used games sales.
Someone just brought up the fact that publishers might be more willing to side with the new Xbox if they can guarantee no used sales. We've also heard that Microsoft is going HARD at exclusives (wasn't there an "8 exclusive titles at launch" rumour?). Maybe this is all a strategy to tie up the biggest exclusives, which would help them a lot?
All the rumors we've seen so far indicate that the hardware will essentially be comparable between the two. The capability of the hardware is becoming less different and less of a driving force for 98% of the people who will buy one console or the other. We all know it will come down to SERVICES and GAMES. If Microsoft can build on XBL in a good way, and lock up the better portfolio of exclusive titles, they can "win" the gen. If these rumors are true, it's all part of that strategy and they have SOMETHING that's going to make their box so attractive that they still think they have a shot even while eliminating used games sales.
No I won't. And it doesn't have to do with the fact outside of GTA you cited boring, lifeless franchises.
$10 would not be enough of a difference. I've been through this with the Vita. Within weeks, sometimes days, the physical copies can be bought for less than that. Digital copies need to be more like 50% less, and even then many people will prefer physical if only because they can resell games they don't want anymore.
Kev Kev
Member
Do you have a link for that? Sorry I searched around but didn't find it. :/
Same.
Huh, No?
Nah, I want Sony to do something crazy too. I don't know what, but something to change things up. I want shit to become philosophical, lesser-of-two-evils around here.
NullPointer
Member
XANDER CAGE
Member
Why is comparing it to Steam a bad idea? You may not have bought a full price game on it, but I have bought many. It'd be awesome if Microsoft allowed publishers to be more flexible with sales on its digital store, since prices on XBLA aren't ideal... but the concept is very similar to Steam. My PC is always online and I can't trade my games in. Seven or so years of Steam have gotten me used to this idea.
Are you suggesting that always-on, no-used-game DRM is ok as long as the provider placates customers with low prices?
RedNumberFive
Banned
NextBox is going to be awesome! No used games AND we'll be paying $60/year in Gold fees for the privilege. All controlled by a user interface whose primary function is to turn your television into a giant billboard.
What's not to be excited about?!?
What's not to be excited about?!?
ALL GAMES ARE FREE ON PS4. PAY WHAT YOU WANT
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
As a business, telling potential customers they'll get a better experience stealing from you instead of buying AS WELL AS getting it for free is pretty incompetent though
catotheyounger
Member
Absolutely, I totally agree. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with this potential move, per se. But I am noting that moves like this aren't done on a mere whim either. MS, and companies like it, put out technology that has to anticipate potential market growth. Last generation it was HD. In 2005, HDTV penetration was a fraction of what it is now - yet MS made the move into that market space. Will high-speed internet install bases in the US and other countries grow to the point that an always-connected console is a non-issue, I don't know. But it seems MS is banking on it.
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
I don't like any of those franchises, and even if I did, I could just play them on PC (not that Steam is much better than this supposed bullshit).
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Kev Kev
Member
Ah damn I'm an idiot and just googled it instead of checking for new threads. Thank you!
civilstrife
Member
Why is it that when shit like this comes up, my first thought it always "I bet EA has something to do with this".
Fox Mulder
Member
I'm excited to witness the next crash. Games will still be around, but maybe something better rises from the ashes of the bloated and expensive AAA blockbuster or nothing console industry.
Knux-Future
Banned
This is the worst shit ever man.
I'll admit that I probably wasn't going to buy the NextBox right away anyway and the ps4 was probably going to my console of choice..but this sucks because It probably will work out and thus Sony will be forced to follow suit to stay alive..
I would be pissed if the next psn is pay to play but I'd deal with it.
I'd be pissed if the console is 800 dollars or some shit...but I'd deal wit it.
I'd be pissed if the controller is xbox'd but fine.
But this shit is laaaaaame.
I am not made of money and thus if a game isn't the gfreatest, I often trade them back in for credit. That credit goes towards other games. It works out really damn well.
I also rent a ton of games. Games that I may have nt even played otherwise...this sounds like it would kill that market too.
I don't buy a ton of used games because I'm OCD and need the full package of box and booklet plus I want my shit to work. But renting stuff via gamefly was big for me this gen.
I'd probably give in eventually but still this wold guarantee that a Wii U would bt my first console...I just don't have the cash for these type of resrictions yet.
Fuck You Microsoft if this is true and you set another shit standard like paywall...Fuck you too Sony if you follow and/or was the one you started this shit.
Fuck this.
I'll admit that I probably wasn't going to buy the NextBox right away anyway and the ps4 was probably going to my console of choice..but this sucks because It probably will work out and thus Sony will be forced to follow suit to stay alive..
I would be pissed if the next psn is pay to play but I'd deal with it.
I'd be pissed if the console is 800 dollars or some shit...but I'd deal wit it.
I'd be pissed if the controller is xbox'd but fine.
But this shit is laaaaaame.
I am not made of money and thus if a game isn't the gfreatest, I often trade them back in for credit. That credit goes towards other games. It works out really damn well.
I also rent a ton of games. Games that I may have nt even played otherwise...this sounds like it would kill that market too.
I don't buy a ton of used games because I'm OCD and need the full package of box and booklet plus I want my shit to work. But renting stuff via gamefly was big for me this gen.
I'd probably give in eventually but still this wold guarantee that a Wii U would bt my first console...I just don't have the cash for these type of resrictions yet.
Fuck You Microsoft if this is true and you set another shit standard like paywall...Fuck you too Sony if you follow and/or was the one you started this shit.
Fuck this.
What's the over under that Gamestop refuses to sell it?
RedNumberFive
Banned
Agreed, it's time. We're long overdue. It's probably for the best. It'll force everyone to get back to basics.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
You are my hero, does nobody have kids, multiple systems? It's bad enough I have to pay for live twice but do I need multiple copies of games now? Fuck that.
Big Takeover
Member
I actually do. Well at least get closer to it anyway. I think the pricing is the way it is because of used games. You want deals on console games? It's the used game market. No used game market (PC)? Better deals digitally.
Agreed. That's what my second paragraph was talking about. I wouldn't put it past a lot of current enthusiasts to just accept anything thrown at them. As a businessman I want to clap and point at that scenario because it's so bizarre and interesting how willing some consumers are to sign up. As an enthusiast myself, it's frustrating and I'd rather see an industry crash and reset.
I don't borrow or lend games, they tend to get dirty and lots of scratches. I know this ain't about me, but I honestly don't care anymore since the future is DD
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Always-on DRM is shitawful regardless of the cost. Luckily steam doesn't have that.
Or that my entire PC stops working when Live servers are undergoing routine maintenance.