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[KojiKnight]

What you are describing shows that your not a passionate gamer, if you were you would deal with this. PC gamers went through this years ago and none of them are worse for wear now.

Its a shock that people on here ( a gaming forum) is saying they will give it up. Do you think that MS and Sony will change their mind when they realize your not buying games anymore?

So because me and others have self control we aren't passionate about gaming? I've been gaming my entire life, I'm raising my daughter to be really into games as well. I married my wife partly because SHE'S a gamer. I've owned nearly every game system and portable ever (aside from Apple products, another choice I made based on a company's actions).

I daresay, there aren't many people more passionate about games. There is however, a big difference between being passionate and being blinded by lust... no matter what the hardware or games look like, I won't just toss money at microsoft or sony while bending over and offering myself up for whatever sick play they want to do to my backside.

 

[Rollo Lawson]

So...I'm not buying the blocked used games thing...sorry it just doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

If that's how this ends up working, yes, it's terrible and Microsoft deserves to fail. If they can implement it better than that, i.e Steam or any other distro service, I'm all for it. I'm interested to see if MS or Sony can pull that off.

I have zero problem with a once only authentication check, and retail games being able to be stored like a videogame jukebox as a result.

I have a horrible feeling MS are envisaging the next xbox as an always connected 'lifestyle' hub that you buy on a contract, pay your monthly subscription fees, and if the service goes down it stops working; sort of like a cable box. But more expensive. And not at all like a cable box when you really think about it for a minute BUT WHY WOULD YOU STOP AND THINK, LOOK, NEW GAMES! AND A CHANCE TO PLAY COD AGAINST FLO RIDA WOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Big Takeover]

Possible? Yes. Will it ever happen? No. Let's have a reality check here. No one is going to pay you not to play their game.

Isn't that what Gamestop already does? It's exactly what happens now, except Microsoft collects all the circulating money and divvies it out the pubs. Precisely what they all want.

 

[5amshift]

Crazy if 100% true! Excited to see the outcome..

 

[Maninthemirror]

I dont know if his has been addressed but what if i give a friend an xbox game for the weekend. Are you telling me he will not be able to play it ?

 

[Glorified G]

What you are describing shows that your not a passionate gamer, if you were you would deal with this. PC gamers went through this years ago and none of them are worse for wear now.

Its a shock that people on here ( a gaming forum) is saying they will give it up. Do you think that MS and Sony will change their mind when they realize your not buying games anymore?

Speak for yourself. Maybe to you 'Passionate gamer = taking it up the ass. That doesn't mean others feel the same.

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

I can't believe people thing MS won't do this on their own. Look at how well Windows 8 and Surface are doing... Vista and broken 360's before that.

MS has made a lot more bad decisions in the last 5 years or so than good.

 

[Vinci]

What you are describing shows that your not a passionate gamer, if you were you would deal with this. PC gamers went through this years ago and none of them are worse for wear now.

There's a difference between being passionate and turning yourself into the tool of a corporation. I'm not saying PC gaming didn't make it through, but the entire thrust of your first sentence is total nonsense.

 

[The Outsider]

I sincerely hope Microsoft is smarter than this.

If not, I might end up skipping out on the new Xbox.

 

[WiiredShawn]

Wii U is looking pretty good right now.

I agree. As much as tech heads make a big deal about "not as powerful/sleek/sexy/whatever as the other consoles," this move could be a major boon for Nintendo if they manage it correctly.

They need to work very hard with third parties to get games on their system, but they (and Sony, assuming they don't take the same path as MS) could easily exert an advantage with price-conscious consumers and families. Why pay $60-80 for only new games on the Xbox 720 when you can purchase those same games, possibly used, for much less on the PS4 or Wii U?

I'm not sure if all people on this forum realizes it, but not everyone has just loads of cash to throw around for a hobby, even if they love it. Some people want to buy used games from friends, or off places like eBay or Craigslist, or for their children at reduced prices. Video games shouldn't have to become a playground purely for those with plenty of cash and no other responsibilities (basically, young unattached men and spoiled children). There's no reason to deny the consumer his or her options. If MS makes a move to prevent second-hand sales, then it is rooted primarily in their greed and the knowledge that their most devoted consumers are willing to overlook this fact so as to feel 'superior' about the services they pay for, that they feel they must pay for. Because as some very astute young men once said while waiting in like for Skyrim, "only fags would want free Internet on the PS3" - and MS can keep that quality of person to themselves.

Honestly, I hope MS suffers for this decision. And people who think "you're not a passionate gamer if you can't accept this" - I say, frankly, screw you. Stop being a corporate shill.

 

[Suite Pee]

Principles are one of the easiest methods for me to avoid buying new games.

I doubt this will be comparable to Steam, which has an offline mode and will not usually give you problems if you are temporarily disconnected while playing a game. Though, I can see them giving leeway on the latter.

Depending on how they implement this, and *IF* they stopped charging for basic features such as online multiplayer, I may still consider the next Xbox. Though, it seems more and more unlikely with each change MS has made since the 360 was released.

 

[DopeyFish]

More money into the hands of publishers is a good thing, but this will kill GAME stone dead if true.

Nah it just moves games closer to pay on scan

Publishers charge value of package (say $5) per copy at time of delivery

Receipt prints up with activation code

Money gets split up at time of purchase between retailer and publisher

This makes selling software stupidly low risk, makes game value fluid and in the end reduces wasted labor hours

The negative to this is publishers don't get a massive cash infusion but at same time they only earn what they sell, so there isn't a lot of wasted accounting with rebates or whatnot to sell off existing inventory or for store sales

The retailer doesn't need to incur a large upfront cost, either.

 

[Sola Scriptura]

While I agree there is some melodrama going on in this thread, I think we should be honest enough to admit that locking out used games is enough to make many people not buy a particular console.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Do you remember when GAFers said they won't buy EA games? How did that work out?

The only EA games I own are Dead Space 1, Mirrors Edge, and Alice.

 

[Yasae]

So...I'm not buying the blocked used games thing...sorry it just doesn't make sense to me at all.

From a money sense it (very unfortunately) does.

Gamers will get screwed on this point.

 

[Xun]

I can only hope this bites Microsoft and Sony in the arse if they both do this.

Hopefully it's technically not legal.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Do you remember when GAFers said they won't buy EA games? How did that work out?

Working pretty good for me.

 

[def sim]

I can't believe people thing MS won't do this on their own. Look at how well Windows 8 and Surface are doing... Vista and broken 360's before that.

MS has made a lot more bad decisions in the last 5 years or so than good.

Using your standard, Sony would have this on PS3 in the next month.

 

[KojiKnight]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that there aren't people in this thread just being hyperbolic and will likely buy the consoles no matter what. Nor am I saying that Microsoft or Sony won't be successful if they put these policies through... Only that no used sales means at least one less customer in myself and likely others. In the long run will I matter? Of course not... but if there are thousands more like me? It might.

 

[ACH1LL3US]

How is it so hard to believe that people have a line they won't cross.

I love stuff like forza and halo, and own like 40 games on the 360 alone, but absolutely will not buy any console that ever does this shit. I've put up with awful dlc, stupid exclusive retailer preorder content, paying to play online, ads, 5 or 6 dead consoles, but will not go for always online and no used games. I can turn my money to plenty of other hobbies.

I don't think most people will stick with what they are saying right now. Simple as that.

Not buying the next Xbox or PS because of DRM or online only will not save the world, but hey if it helps you sleep better at night that your sticking it to MS or Sony more power to you.

 

[Jetman]

Is your body ready?

http://washingtonpost.com/business/...27d3e0-698b-11e2-ada3-d86a4806d5ee_story.html

Microsoft backing free public wifi points to all this being true :/

 

[shinra-bansho]

I expect both to do something regarding used games, or neither. I don't buy used, so it doesnt earn my ire regardless. Also, I expect lots of people railing against it now fall silent.

 

[samus4ever]

I dont know if his has been addressed but what if i give a friend an xbox game for the weekend. Are you telling me he will not be able to play it ?

Nope. Unless you give him your account info.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

I have zero problem with a once only authentication check, and retail games being able to be stored like a videogame jukebox as a result.

I have a horrible feeling MS are envisaging the next xbox as an always connected 'lifestyle' hub that you buy on a contract, pay your monthly subscription fees, and if the service goes down it stops working; sort of like a cable box. But more expensive. And not at all like a cable box when you really think about it for a minute BUT WHY WOULD YOU STOP AND THINK, LOOK, NEW GAMES! AND A CHANCE TO PLAY COD AGAINST FLO RIDA WOOOOOOOOOO

That could well indeed be a horrible near-future, but I think that I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic until we see an actual reveal.

 

[Baconsammy]

Principles are one of the easiest methods for me to avoid buying new games.

I doubt this will be comparable to Steam, which has an offline mode and will not usually give you problems if you are temporarily disconnected while playing a game. Though, I can see them giving leeway on the latter.

And I doubt it will be any different than the current 360 setup. Games with licenses already on the Xbox will most likely still play just fine, online or off. I'm just assuming, but I bet online is only required for the initial licensing.

 

[Kai Dracon]

So because me and others have self control we aren't passionate about gaming? I've been gaming my entire life, I'm raising my daughter to be really into games as well. I married my wife partly because SHE'S a gamer. I've owned nearly every game system and portable ever (aside from Apple products, another choice I made based on a company's actions).

I daresay, there aren't many people more passionate about games. There is however, a big difference between being passionate and being blinded by lust... no matter what the hardware or games look like, I won't just toss money at microsoft or sony while bending over and offering myself up for whatever sick play they want to do to my backside.

If you're not there on day one, midnight launch, pre-purchased the season pass, pre-ordered the $200 ultimate edition, ready to play on 4 years of Xbox Live Gold sub stacked in advance, Gamer Cave stocked with cases of Dewritos... then you're just not a passionate gamer.

It must be true, because I saw it in a Halo 5 ad.

 

[Big Takeover]

Go check out Xbox Games on Demand.

Can I interest you in a DD version of Driver: San Francisco for $60?

IMO, it's partially because of used games that it's half assed right now. No used game market = better DD market. That's not an excuse, because it sucks now, but going forward it could be done differently.

 

[Knux-Future]

Are you serious?

Initially they'll sell tons. Tons of copies that can't be traded or sold used. Then they'll sell another ton later that can be traded/sold.



You're aware that Steam has existed for quite some time, right? And iTunes.

I guess I have less of a problem with Steam and Itunes(which is music and thus I doubt I'd resell that), is because of the physical aspect of it and honestly anything Ive bought from steam rarely went over 20 bucks at the most.

I'm paying 60 dollars for a game, and then when I'm done with it...I'm stuck with it. I don't replay a lot of games...hell I don't finish a lot of games so resell is really fucking important to me. For the same reasons, renting is huge too. I've been renting games since the N64 days. I am not made of money.

This system just sucks big time for people like me.

It makes it harder to actually commit to buying games. Steam works because shit is cheaper and even then I don't game on a PC too much due to this..There is just no positives for me as a consumer.

I don't care about this saving publishers money (which I doubt due to the raising costs). I don't care about this sticking it to Gamestop. Noen of that matters to me because in the end I will be paying more money in the long run or not at all because of this bullshit.

I just cannot fathom how anyone supports something that fucks them over.

 

[Rollo Lawson]

Is your body ready?

http://washingtonpost.com/business/...27d3e0-698b-11e2-ada3-d86a4806d5ee_story.html

OMG yes

 

[Mammoth Jones]

The thread is growing too fast, can't read all posts.

That said, the writing was on the wall years ago. MS and Sony have seen that gamers are fucking stupid and eat all the shit up when the games they want are there. Let's face it: Durango can be as anti-consumerish as EDGE said, there are still many people waiting for it and defend every misstep of MS. And for MS and Sony, this gen is a good opportunity to kill second-hand market together, because they have seen how happily gamers give away their consumer rights for desirable products.

Pretty much. We'll bitch and moan now but when that shit hits we'll all be waiting outside for the door to open.

 

[Toki767]

I don't buy used games, but this would certainly effect my ability to trade in games. If anything I'd just be even more likely to wait for games to hit the $20 price in stores to buy something.

 

[mavs]

Maybe I'm completely wrong but I remember reading that the PS4 was going to implement this long before this leak.

Has Sony changed their platform? Was it never confirmed?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...enamed-orbis-has-anti-pre-owned-system-report

That was a year ago, don't know if there was any follow-up.

 

[NemesisPrime]

They need to work very hard with third parties to get games on their system, but they (and Sony, assuming they don't take the same path as MS) could easily exert an advantage with price-conscious consumers and families. Why pay $60-80 for only new games on the Xbox 720 when you can purchase those same games, possibly used, for much less on the PS4 or Wii U?

Third parties are asking for this... who knows... maybe they will give the 720 more exclusives since they make more money?

Also iTunes, Steam and Kindle all do this and millions of people do not care. Sadly it is the future.

I don't like it but *if* they manage to make it very convenient... maybe I will bite. I never buy used, but I am against the idea of never owning anything. It would also kill of the whole vintage thing... try to buy a 720 game in 30 years :S

That being said... it won't be like that. MS is just providing low level support for those publishers that want to do this. A bit like region locking.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I don't think most people will stick with what they are saying right now. Simple as that.

Not buying the next Xbox or PS because of DRM or online only will not save the world, but hey if it helps you sleep better at night that your sticking it to MS or Sony more power to you.

It's not about sticking it to MS or Sony, they've simply lost me as a customer if they do this stuff. I'm aware plenty of people will gladly march on, I hope they enjoy it.

 

[Slayer-33]

Is your body ready?

http://washingtonpost.com/business/...27d3e0-698b-11e2-ada3-d86a4806d5ee_story.html

I support our Microsoft and Google overlords on this matter.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

I don't think most people will stick with what they are saying right now. Simple as that.

Not buying the next Xbox or PS because of DRM or online only will not save the world, but hey if it helps you sleep better at night that your sticking it to MS or Sony more power to you.

The fact you think like this is profoundly depressing to me, but on the upside massively encouraging to giant faceless corporations and their shareholders.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Nope. Unless you give him your account info.

Wtf no one will buy this. They will return it in a week

 

[SolarPowered]

Here is the thing about all the comparisons to Steam.

I totally don't care!

I recognize the hypocrisy of, on a very fundamental level, Steam and used-game-blocking on consoles being similar and being okay with one but not the other. Don't give a shit. I don't want it on consoles. If you start including details (like that there are other options to Steam, a walled garden for Microsoft does not encourage price competition, that Microsoft makes profit off passive services like Live and does not need to entice you in to signing up), then the analogy falls apart all together, but still, don't care.

People can keep screaming "IT'S OKAY BECAUSE STEAM UNLESS YOU DON'T WANT TO BE 100% CONSISTENT ALL THE TIME," but let me be the first to say, fuck it. If your only defense of this shit is that I'm not consistent, then even you should realize what a fucking terrible idea this is.

Far too reasonable

I feel like people saying "This is okay on Steam because the games are cheaper" are exhibiting the very reason stuff like this happens. If you really were opposed to this it wouldn't matter if the game were $1 or $100. The fact that your principles are conditional tells corporations that you can pretty much be talked into anything. Why wouldn't MS and Sony keep pushing and pushing, consumers have shown to be pushovers when it comes to this stuff. We bitched when games went to $60 but still bought them. We bitched about horse armor and subsequent DLC releases but still bought them. We bitched about online passes but still bought them. The anger people display here on a 70 page message board thread is empty, because come Feb. 20, and then subsequently whenever MS reveals their next console, and beyond that E3 and the eventual launches, there is going to be far more than 70 pages worth of gifs and "MY BODY IS READY" and "DAY ONE!!!" posts. The reason this, and the various other industry developments over the last few years, are happening is because we as a whole have told the companies that we are fine going down this road, and the ones who really aren't are simply a small minority who they can live without.

Free/speedy patching, competitive profit margins, great BC options, tweakable graphics settings, mods galore, easy platform transfers/verification, etc.

All that and the better pricing makes for an attractive offer that consoles have yet to match on the scale that the PC platform does.

 

[SkoomaSuckinSwit]

So I can't buy used, can't trade games in, can't let my kids play the games I buy on their own Xboxes either?
Goodbye, Microsoft. It's been fun these last 12 years.

If digital-only is my only choice, it's an easy choice to go PC or SteamBox.

Can't say I'll miss the: Kinect crap, playing the same exclusive sequels for the 6th time over, shelling out for your expensive HDDs and memory cards, or paying to play online.

 

[YuriLowell]

IMO, it's partially because of used games that it's half assed right now. No used game market = better DD market. That's not an excuse, because it sucks now, but going forward it could be done differently.

You giving them too much credit for wanting to reduce price in their own walled garden ecosystem. They obviously see the sales for GOD and don't think the prices are too high.

 

[Zeliard]

This is truly shocking news. I could never have expected this out of Microsoft.

 

[ACH1LL3US]

The fact you think like this is profoundly depressing to me, but on the upside massively encouraging to giant faceless corporations and their shareholders.

Why is it depressing? Its true.. and 2-3 years from now it will be how pc gamers feel right now... whats the big deal?

 

[BeauRoger]

Within the context of rumors, your reasoning for going with Sony is that Microsoft is blocking your ability to sell used games. The same rumor attached to Sony, who is still the only company that I can recall actually patenting a way to block you from selling used games.

Nope. Dont forget always online, not just blocked used games, which is just as big according to me. I didnt specify the use games bit in my original post. And obviously if it turned out to be sony blocking used games, the situation would change, and had this thread been about sonys used game, i would have written something appropriate to that hypthetical situation.

 

[jwhit28]

I don't think most people will stick with what they are saying right now. Simple as that.

Not buying the next Xbox or PS because of DRM or online only will not save the world, but hey if it helps you sleep better at night that your sticking it to MS or Sony more power to you.

No one cares about saving the world. We do care about saving money. If Microsoft wanted to do this they should have eased into it by showing how their digital solution can be just like Steam's. It's not. Pricing is awful, selection is awful, and now they are going the activation code route without any of the cost benefits for consumers while also taking away the cost benefits we are used to (allegedly).

 

[Schmitty]

Always online and no used games? Guess I will be a Playstation guy now

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Why is it depressing? Its true.. and 2-3 years from now it will be how pc gamers feel right now... whats the big deal?

I don't buy many games on the PC because I disagree with their DRM.

Even games I was really interested in like Diablo 3!

The fact you genuinely believe that people will throw out any qualms over distasteful business practices because something is shiny and new is dangling in front of their faces is depressing to me.

 

[WiiredShawn]

Third parties are asking for this... who knows... maybe they will give the 720 more exclusives since they make more money?

Only if their games end up selling. But what happens if their userbase of players stops growing, or actually shrinks because of this decision? Those spendthrift consumers will continue to be their day-one, naturally, and fork over any amount of money MS and third parties ask for, but they are likely going to have trouble winning over that more cautious crowd of consumers who may not want to spend $600 just to play the latest Grand Theft Auto.

 

[YuriLowell]

Why is it depressing? Its true.. and 2-3 years from now it will be how pc gamers feel right now... whats the big deal?

Stop comparing Steam to all of pc gaming.

There are plenty of other options on the pc.

 

[coldfoot]

I can somewhat live with no used games, but always online is a HUGE deal breaker for me. I had 2 weeks without internet when Sandy hit, glad I could play my SP games.
And the only way I would live with no used games is if all releases are available to download for $39.99 on release day. Otherwise I wouldn't buy any single game on day 1 until prices drop.