YuriLowell
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No termination of keys. Buy the next game at full price.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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No termination of keys. Buy the next game at full price.
Knux-Future
Banned
Aren't there laws and shit against this?
fuck.
I am like really mad right now...wtf
fuck.
I am like really mad right now...wtf
Diablo 3 is awful. If you live in a country with shit internet on average (Australia) then the game is pointless.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Man the 720 is starting to sound like a real shit show.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Then GTA and COD will sell about half what they used to. Battlefield´s sales on the other hand will increase significantly.
This isn't about principles for most people, though it may be for you. This is simply a calculation of Utility lacking the benefit of resell on the other side.
ACH1LL3US
Member
On this page alone.. once they show stuff like Halo, Gear, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Forza, etc on next gen... your gonna say those look awsome BUT I can't buy the system because I cant resell the game when I beat it or get tired of it?
Steam has shown this business model can work. I would imagine Sony and MS have watched that as-well as devs.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Is it wrong that I find this entire thing really really funny?
IN the 90s you could buy used PC at EB/Gamestop. My local indy shop still has about 10-20 used PC games for sale.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Possible? Yes. Will it ever happen? No. Let's have a reality check here. No one is going to pay you not to play their game.
gundalf
Member
Why does it say "currently"? For a very obvious reason, this rule is set to stay forever.
Big Takeover
Member
If you are bitter, and have no faith in smart business practices then sure.
I personally don't think they're that dumb.
Companies that aren't for profit don't seem to last long unless held up by donations.
Nikkuthulu
Member
No used games? No buy for me. And this is coming from someone who buys their games new or waits for them to price to drop.
However.. I often buy used once games are less out of print or when I decide to try out some more retro games. Realistically there will be a generation of gamers who will grow up with this system and in 10 years.. I highly suspect they will want to come back to try it. (Just like a lot of Genesis / SNES / NES etc collectors do.) Going to suck when that happens and it'll be impossible to have the retro games exist for a new or someone wanting to reexperience games tries to do.
Then the further question posed is what are the details of this. Are they doing a games for windows live thing where it is account thing, or do they want to do some type of console nonsense like Nintendo?
Online only though? That pretty much seals the deal I'm just not interested. My net isn't a 100% reliable, and I don't exactly have the options to switch carriers because there is no other carrier. So without some sort of offline mode.. no thanks.
I'm hoping this isn't true, and if it unfortunately is, hope the PS4 doesn't go this route.
However.. I often buy used once games are less out of print or when I decide to try out some more retro games. Realistically there will be a generation of gamers who will grow up with this system and in 10 years.. I highly suspect they will want to come back to try it. (Just like a lot of Genesis / SNES / NES etc collectors do.) Going to suck when that happens and it'll be impossible to have the retro games exist for a new or someone wanting to reexperience games tries to do.
Then the further question posed is what are the details of this. Are they doing a games for windows live thing where it is account thing, or do they want to do some type of console nonsense like Nintendo?
Online only though? That pretty much seals the deal I'm just not interested. My net isn't a 100% reliable, and I don't exactly have the options to switch carriers because there is no other carrier. So without some sort of offline mode.. no thanks.
I'm hoping this isn't true, and if it unfortunately is, hope the PS4 doesn't go this route.
Not necessarily. let's look at microsoft specifically. They're spending a whole lot of time and effort making the xbox into the box you want under your TV whether you game or not. They want at least 1 box in your house regardless if you're the guy who buys Madden and that's it, or if you buy 5 games a month. This paradigm shift pretty much scares off a huge section of that population, the demographic who uses the xbox as a netflix player when their kids aren't playing. They risk losing the household name that the xbox is right now. Microsoft totally gains from the solely used game market because their hardware is still required. They want increase the revenue on every unit sold by forcing people to go through their own portal and making them buy at their prices. Even if Microsoft keeps the price at 60 dollars and lowers the price in the exact same time table that gamestop or game would, they will still make more money not having to deal with those people. and if they do that, there's not really any reason to get angry.
But their business practices say that they won't. And thus people do, and they stamp their feet about it. It's early to get too upset with Microsoft doing this because we don't know the specifics of what they'll do, but it's not unreasonable to say that once a game goes up on their portal at 60 dollars, it'll stay at 60 dollars indefinitely, and any discount given to the game will be inconsequential (pennys on the dollar here and there). THAT'S what's going to scare away the demographic who only occasionally buy games here and there as a treat.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Wii U is looking pretty good right now.
Are you serious?
KojiKnight
Member
Believe it or not, yes there are people who stick by such decisions... I haven't bought a single capcom game in nearly 2 years because of how shitty they've treated their fans lately. I can easily do the same with 720 and PS4.
Video games are only entertainment, and in this day and age there are millions of entertainment options I can turn to if one of them becomes (by my standards) unpalattable.
ACH1LL3US
Member
So your saying your more passionate gamer because your willing to give it up because the next gen systems will more then likely have DRM and have to be online.
Your loss.... so do you plan to play PS3 and Xbox 360 for the next 20 -30 yrs or are you going to go cold turkey?
Baconsammy
Banned
Initially they'll sell tons. Tons of copies that can't be traded or sold used. Then they'll sell another ton later that can be traded/sold.
You're aware that Steam has existed for quite some time, right? And iTunes.
YuriLowell
Member
They are that dumb, look at this whole thread.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
NOW IMAGINE YOUR CONSOLE WORKS LIKE THAT!
21st century y'all.
god forbid anyone make a stand on principles, right? GOTTA BUY THE LATEST SHIT
But they sell INCREDIBLY well on that weekend where the same game on steam is 40, or 30, or 20 while it's still 60 on the 360.
And that's the point. That it's happening isn't the issue. The issue is how it will be run.
UncleSporky
Member
If this is just a rumor and the new console is not going to do this and Gamestop's stock has dropped for no reason, wouldn't you want to put a stop to those rumors?
At the very least, I think a lack of a statement implies that the situation will be a little complicated - they can't simply say "the rumors are false" if they are planning on some form of mild license control.
At the very least, I think a lack of a statement implies that the situation will be a little complicated - they can't simply say "the rumors are false" if they are planning on some form of mild license control.
Totes. The only thing that would make key termination, in COD's case, an appealing thing for EA would be the eased up server space, which they kill off after a certain amount of time anyway.
XANDER CAGE
Member
If that's how this ends up working, yes, it's terrible and Microsoft deserves to fail. If they can implement it better than that, i.e Steam or any other distro service, I'm all for it. I'm interested to see if MS or Sony can pull that off.
Deuterium
Member
Hmmm, I would imagine that Publishers and Game Developers have looked at this issue in incredible detail, and have accumulated studies and a mess of stats. They all seem to feel (quite strongly), that the Used game market is cutting into their potential Sales and revenue.
Now...are there more ideal solutions, of course. The best solution would be if Gamestop, Gamefly, and other purveyors of Used games were to come to an agreement with the Publishers and Developers, and enter into some type of profit sharing.
Failing that, I can definitely see Microsoft capitalizing on this issue. I strongly expect Sony to join Microsoft in this, otherwise they expose themselves to the possibilty that 3rd Party studios will start providing Microsoft exclusive or timed exclusives, which would only hurt Sony.
ACH1LL3US
Member
What you are describing shows that your not a passionate gamer, if you were you would deal with this. PC gamers went through this years ago and none of them are worse for wear now.
Its a shock that people on here ( a gaming forum) is saying they will give it up. Do you think that MS and Sony will change their mind when they realize your not buying games anymore?
Outtrigger888
Member
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BassForever
Member
Nintendo to win next gen by default because of the no used game clause?
Then the piracy issue starts anew. The one thing that both sony and Microsoft did a pretty good job of this time around was culling the ease of piracy.
Fox Mulder
Member
How is it so hard to believe that people have a line they won't cross.
I love stuff like forza and halo, and own like 40 games on the 360 alone, but absolutely will not buy any console that ever does this shit. I've put up with awful dlc, stupid exclusive retailer preorder content, paying to play online, ads, 5 or 6 dead consoles, but will not go for always online and no used games. I can turn my money to plenty of other hobbies.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Haha um.
biggersmaller
Banned
I'm 90% there with you. I love PC gaming in that it survived a shift to DRM. Then again, I hate draconian DRM.
NullPointer
Member
Do you remember when MS tried to charge for Xbox Live Gold on PC?
i think it's totally the opposite.
what you call B/C-games will benefit big time from this move.
likely those games will be affordable with reasonable prices.
ACH1LL3US
Member
My whole point is they wont! Its all knee jerk reactions and anger right now.
Most of these people will be buying and playing next gen games which makes their statements all the more melodramatic.
Excellent point. There's also a false dichotomy going on for the Valve critics: I can still install second-hand games on my PC. Just because we're trending towards a digital future (whether someone agrees with this or not) doesn't lock my platform off entirely. That's essentially what MS is doing.
There are used games for PC all over. I still have Baldur's Gate II (2000), The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (2006!), Dungeon Siege (2002) and quite a few others in physical form. If I wanted to buy them now and didn't have those around, sure digital is a much more convenient (and likely cheaper) alternative, and it's now the preferred method of purchase. However, there are used PC games well into the 2000s and Valve isn't stopping anyone from installing them, playing them, and even linking Steam to them.
The used console game market still dwarfs used PC games and that's where the real outrage comes in. It's justified.
Buying PC games at retail felt like buying porn in public. We're better off now.
Go check out Xbox Games on Demand.
Can I interest you in a DD version of Driver: San Francisco for $60?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Laughing while the world burns can be good for the soul.
A dark soul, but that's splitting hairs.
Outtrigger888
Member
? I have a feeling I said something wrong...I'm guessing its illegal? I'll edit my post then.
YuriLowell
Member
I won't be for one. Games over the past generation have slowly gotten worse, and this would just be the final nail in the coffin.
3rdamention
Member
Maybe Microsoft will allow you to "trade" your digital games for a $5 fee. Think of Goozex, if you buy a trade token for $5, you can trade your game to anyone else (who purchased the token for $5).
That would work with Digital Download Titles. I dont know, I am trying to find some way that you would still be able to trade your games, or sell them, and the Pubs still make loot.
I have said this about 5 times now, but I still think all of this will simply be tied to activation codes. Buy a game new, you get the code. Buy a game used, you have to buy the code. We have activation codes this generation, to play games online. The Next Generation will offer activation codes, but they will probably be more than $10 each and will be necessary to start a game (Unless Sony's Patent is executed, then you could play a demo with the disk without a code). I like the idea of getting a couple of activation codes when you buy a game, so you could maybe sell it, trade it, or let someone borrow it. After that second code is used, someone has to buy a new one.
I could also see where you would get a timed "trial" if you use a disc without an activation code. Say, you can play for 90 minutes, but after that, you must buy a $15-$20 code to activate the game to continue.
Publishers get paid, Microsoft (and even Sony if they are on board) gets paid, Used Game sale prices drop (You wouldn't pay $20 for a used game, knowing you have to pay $20 to activate it).
Lets just hope nobody is going to do this. I thought this was a rumor at first, until Gamestop Stock Dropped, Nobody in the "know" was denying it, then EDGE ran a second story basically saying, "YES ITS TRUE!"
That would work with Digital Download Titles. I dont know, I am trying to find some way that you would still be able to trade your games, or sell them, and the Pubs still make loot.
I have said this about 5 times now, but I still think all of this will simply be tied to activation codes. Buy a game new, you get the code. Buy a game used, you have to buy the code. We have activation codes this generation, to play games online. The Next Generation will offer activation codes, but they will probably be more than $10 each and will be necessary to start a game (Unless Sony's Patent is executed, then you could play a demo with the disk without a code). I like the idea of getting a couple of activation codes when you buy a game, so you could maybe sell it, trade it, or let someone borrow it. After that second code is used, someone has to buy a new one.
I could also see where you would get a timed "trial" if you use a disc without an activation code. Say, you can play for 90 minutes, but after that, you must buy a $15-$20 code to activate the game to continue.
Publishers get paid, Microsoft (and even Sony if they are on board) gets paid, Used Game sale prices drop (You wouldn't pay $20 for a used game, knowing you have to pay $20 to activate it).
Lets just hope nobody is going to do this. I thought this was a rumor at first, until Gamestop Stock Dropped, Nobody in the "know" was denying it, then EDGE ran a second story basically saying, "YES ITS TRUE!"
ACH1LL3US
Member
Do you remember when GAFers said they won't buy EA games? How did that work out?
Something Wicked
Member
MS is playing hardball. They're trying to get Gamestop to concede and negotiate a share in its used game business.
Hopefully, at some point before the release of the 720, Gamestop execs determine that it's not worth testing whether Microsoft is bluffing or not.
Hopefully, at some point before the release of the 720, Gamestop execs determine that it's not worth testing whether Microsoft is bluffing or not.