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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect

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3rdamention

Member
giant_frying_pan said:
Part of me now wants Sony to actually do this just so I can see Edge's pathetic attempts at spinning it into a positive.
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Since when was EDGE a "Go Sony, You Rock Sony!" website? I haven't seen them trying to spin things in favor of Sony in the past. Just because they published these 2 stories today, doesn't mean they are Pro Sony!

If their sources are true, and Microsoft is doing this, how the hell do you want them to report it? Do you want them to say "We have news to report, but before we share it, we want you to know this is NOT a big deal, this is NOT a game changer of any kind, this is NOT anything new to console gaming, and if SONY doesn't do this, it will not be a problem at all!"


This is a huge freaking deal and EDGE is very committed to their source. To report the same story, basically twice, they are standing behind it.
 
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Clay Davis

Member
so there's this, the guy who earlier claimed that the durango specs weren't up to date...

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https://twitter.com/superDaE/status/299252615823364096
 
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Wizman23

Banned
WOW 36 pages. My thoughts are that Gamestop is a scumbag company and my 360 has been connected to the internet since November 21st 2005. I see nothing wrong with the direction MS has decided to take and hope Sony follows suit as well. More profits and sales for publishers and devs mean better games for us consumers.
 
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YuriLowell

Member
Clay Davis said:
so there's this, the guy who earlier claimed that the durango specs weren't up to date...

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https://twitter.com/superDaE/status/299252615823364096
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Classy.

Wizman23 said:
WOW 36 pages. My thoughts are that Gamestop is a scumbag company and my 360 has been connected to the internet since November 21st 2005. I see nothing wrong with the direction MS has decided to take and hope Sony follows suit as well. More profits and sales for publishers and devs mean better games for us consumers.
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More profits and sales does not relate to game quality. How could you even think that?
 
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Drek

Member
Clay Davis said:
so there's this, the guy who earlier claimed that the durango specs weren't up to date...
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He's been wrong/trolled people before. He got a hold of an early 720 dev kit and put it on Ebay, other than that he's got no corroboration of any kind to paint him as an insider.
 
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Foffy

Banned
Incendiary said:
The problem is, this is clearly a case of the suits/big publishers/etc. wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want all the money. They want $60, $10-$15 DLC packs, $2 microtransactions, $30 season passes, no used game market. It's greed, pure and simple, and eventually it will lead to a crash. Companies push consumers around for as long as they can get away with it, but eventually consumers will push back and not buy the console.

If it's not this, it'll be something else in the near future. The video game industry has gotten too greedy for its overall good, and someday soon the line is going to be crossed and all the big companies will pay for it. No matter how many people don't care about these policies, the current video game market is not sustainable. Activision, EA, Microsoft, etc., they are all about the now. The $$ they can get at the current moment, which is why they make such a big deal about used games: it's money they aren't getting.
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This. The question then is what could cause a collapse? Raising the price on all of these goods despite the chance they're released digitally and not physically despite there being no physical cost in manufacturing, one of the reasons regarding price raises for games in the first place? $25 DLC? EA's idea of charging $1 to reload your gun? The shit we have now is precisely why I get further adamant of dare supporting a product at launch, if it gets worse it only means I wait longer. None of these companies own me, nor do I owe them a fucking thing. What more consumers need to realize is if you put up with their shit, they'll keep going at it, seeing how far they can go before enough's enough. What's troubling is to see how much of this vile shit people put up with to try to find the diamonds in the sea of increasingly dense fecal matter.


Wizman23 said:
WOW 36 pages. My thoughts are that Gamestop is a scumbag company and my 360 has been connected to the internet since November 21st 2005. I see nothing wrong with the direction MS has decided to take and hope Sony follows suit as well. More profits and sales for publishers and devs mean better games for us consumers.
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Another person with this absurd view. What evidence do you have that it will lead to better products? Are you ignorant enough to assume if a company has to spend more money than ever to make a game they'll gladly shit that into a blender and plop out something new instead of something established?
 
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arotator

Neo Member
Incendiary said:
The problem is, this is clearly a case of the suits/big publishers/etc. wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want all the money. They want $60, $10-$15 DLC packs, $2 microtransactions, $30 season passes, no used game market. It's greed, pure and simple, and eventually it will lead to a crash. Companies push consumers around for as long as they can get away with it, but eventually consumers will push back and not buy the console.

If it's not this, it'll be something else in the near future. The video game industry has gotten too greedy for its overall good, and someday soon the line is going to be crossed and all the big companies will pay for it. No matter how many people don't care about these policies, the current video game market is not sustainable. Activision, EA, Microsoft, etc., they are all about the now. The $$ they can get at the current moment, which is why they make such a big deal about used games: it's money they aren't getting.
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Great post. I wanted to say something about over-monetization but I didn't. It's not just the video game industry. You can barely get a cell phone, internet, or cable without getting forced into some long-term commitment, or without buying some bullshit you don't want in the first place. Look, if the service is that great, why are you trying to force me to continue using it?

For me, Steam was such a breath of fresh air. Of course we gave up the ability to sell used games, but Valve provided a reliable, good service and made prices competitive to thwart piracy. What a novel concept, give the consumer incentives to use your product rather than forcing their hand...
 
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Camp Lo

Banned
brochiller said:
Yeah who is going to buy discs at all if everybody has to be online and you'll have no use for them after you activate your game. All you could do at that point is scratch it and have to buy a new one.

Only advantage I see is using less bandwidth.
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It kind of pushes you to DD; they should fucking ship microSD cards or something to install and trash.
 
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Big Takeover

Member
sixghost said:
Could you explain this logic for me? I don't see how removing an almost perfect substitute good for a product would result in lower prices. I would argue that it is much more likely to have an opposite effect. Without used games to drive down the costs of new games, they have even less motivation to lower prices.
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It's not perfect for them, which is why they want to change it. I don't think used games have that much effect on new game prices really. Why do prices go down on Steam if that were the case? It's more lack of intrest in anything that's not currently being advertised.

Their current DD market has to compete with used games. They can't win that. It's a problem the PC (Steam) market doesn't have.

If they offered discounts to kill your owned licenses, it replicates trading your game in without making other middle man companies rich.
 
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AKingNamedPaul

I am Homie
I kind of like this, because I feel like with things this way we give back to the game industry and not so much the middleman. I'm probably wrong, but thats my opinion as of now.
 
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Baconsammy

Banned
BeauRoger said:
Nope. Dont forget always online, not just blocked used games, which is just as big according to me. I didnt specify the use games bit in my original post. And obviously if it turned out to be sony blocking used games, the situation would change, and had this thread been about sonys used game, i would have written something appropriate to that hypthetical situation.
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They won't go "always online". If they do, they're idiots. My guess is the system will be identical to what we have now. ie if you have the license on your Xbox already, you can play it. If you bought a new game, you'll need an Internet connection to grab the license. That makes the most sense. Always-Connected makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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YuriLowell

Member
Big Takeover said:
It's not perfect for them, which is why they want to change it. I don't think used games have that much effect on new game prices really. Why do prices go down on Steam if that were the case? It's more lack of intrest in anything that's not currently being advertised.

Their current DD market has to compete with used games. They can't win that. It's a problem the PC (Steam) market doesn't have.

If they offered discounts to kill your owned licenses, it replicates trading your game in without making other middle man companies rich.
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You can't offer a discount to kill a license for an old game. It won't happen, no one is going to eat that cost. Its a nice idea but its not feasible.

They could absolutely get DD to compete with the retail sector by pricing the games lower.

Steam has to compete with other services on prices, which lately they have been losing out to places like GMG and amazon.
 
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injurai

Banned
Did sony pay for this rumor to be put out?

In seriousness this sounds pretty farfetched, unless the Nextbox is just going to be part of the windows 8 platform or something.
 
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arotator

Neo Member
Drek said:
The only info tying this to Sony was them investigating technology to perform it, just like they did on the PS3 without every really implementing it. The Edge article claims MS is full on implementing it starting with the 720 out of the box. Big difference here.
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Fair enough. If Sony doesn't force the consumer's hand then good for them, and that's one damn good reason to choose them over the competition (again, if true). For the other reasons I mentioned, the PS3 is still likely to be my last console.
 
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Fandangox

Member
Wizman23 said:
WOW 36 pages. My thoughts are that Gamestop is a scumbag company and my 360 has been connected to the internet since November 21st 2005. I see nothing wrong with the direction MS has decided to take and hope Sony follows suit as well. More profits and sales for publishers and devs mean better games for us consumers.
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ACH1LL3US

ACH1LL3US

Member
Interrobang said:
You're the one saying you're a more passionate gamer because you'll blindly buy whatever new piece of tech they throw in front of you as long as you get your fix. I was having a discussion and arguing your points, but if you want to throw a little being-a-dick undertones into the mix too, I can play ball.

As a matter of fact I recently got very into retro gaming and plan on doing that for quite some time. Also, playing my 360 arcade games for as long as they decide to keep them alive.

I am no less passionate about this hobby than you, just because I have a line I won't cross doesn't mean I never cared to begin with.



Blackvette, a lot of people on here aren't even making the used game argument. A lot of people do not like where the industry is taking our hobby. No ownership, buying licenses, multiple copies of the same game for multiple systems, no alternative to buying new/until they decide it's time for a price drop, etc. I do not want to adhere to any agreement these companies decide to write up just because I want to play COD 10.
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I didn't say I was more passionate. I am saying that if I want to play next gen games and they impart these new policies I will have to deal with it.

I am not being a dick but certainly appreciate you going down that road.

Do you play PC games? To me this model has been going on for a long time on the pc, so I guess the line was already drawn a long time ago and this does NOT surprise me in the least. I guess I already went through my "anger" phase over this about 8 years ago with pc gaming.

Make no mistake I don't like these new policies. I just am not ready to stop gaming or not get next gen gaming over it. Apparently to some posters on here... I am a mindless zombie or a dick.... for expressing my opinion... because I still want to buy nex gen games and systems..OK.
 
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coldfoot

Banned
I think cutting used game purchases will hurt the industry as fewer people will buy full price releases on launch. What I can see happening is an expansion of the online pass thing to lock away even more content unless you pay a $10 fee. For people without internet, they'd register the game on their own Live/PSN account at the point of purchase from the retailer.
 
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YuriLowell

Member
Blackvette94 said:
I didn't say I was more passionate. I am saying that if I want to play next gen games and they impart these new policies I will have to deal with it.

I am not being a dick but certianly appreciate you going down that road.

Do you play PC games? To me this model has been going on for a long time on the pc, so I guess the line was already drawn a long time ago and this does NOT surprise me in the least. I guess I already went through my "anger" phase over this about 8 years ago with pc gaming.

Make no mistake I don't like these new policies. I just am not ready to stop gaming or not get next gen gaming over it. Apparently to some posters on here... I am a mindless zombie or a dick.... for expressing my opinion... OK.
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The PC market is different from a locked box in a walled garden, which is what this new xbox is becoming.
 
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Big Takeover

Member
YuriLowell said:
You can't offer a discount to kill a license for an old game. It won't happen, no one is going to eat that cost. Its a nice idea but its not feasible.

They could absolutely get DD to compete with the retail sector by pricing the games lower.

Steam has to compete with other services on prices, which lately they have been losing out to places like GMG and amazon.
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They're already eating the cost - it's called used games.

Those other companies are competing with Steam. They've set the bar for aggressive sales. That is true though.
 
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captmcblack

Member
Welp, guess I'm done with modern console gaming then.

I've let them nickel-and-dime me for DLC.
I've let them do always-online DRM, "online passes" and one-time use codes.
I've let them nerf system functionality for "security" purposes.
I've let them take BC away so they can sell downloadable "classics".
I've let them lock the hardware up so homebrew is non-existent.

But no legitimate, used games? Forget that.
That's the last anti-consumer thing I'll take if this is true.
 
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Knux-Future

Banned
Not everybody has an internet connection. And not everyone's connections are stable.

I see no advantage to that system.

The advantages of the no second hand system are very idealistic too.
 
ACH1LL3US

ACH1LL3US

Member
YuriLowell said:
The PC market is different from a locked box in a walled garden, which is what this new xbox is becoming.
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There are similarities, at the end of the day pc gamers have to deal with DRM and needing to be online and it looks like console gamers may have to deal with it too. On a very basic level its similar.
 
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Knux-Future

Banned
Blackvette94 said:
There are similarities, at the end of the day pc gamers have to deal with DRM and needing to be online and it looks like console gamers may have to deal with it too. On a very basic level its similar.
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This doesn't make it okay.

Most PC game releases are not only cheaper, they are also often digital only...and the physical copies can still very well be sold used.

Just because Steam does it doesn't make it cool
 
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Mlatador

Banned
If that's true, suddenly, withouit doing anything, MS competitors (Sony,Nintendo) have gained a huge advantage (provided Sony doesn't do the same).
 
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Incendiary

Banned
Wizman23 said:
WOW 36 pages. My thoughts are that Gamestop is a scumbag company and my 360 has been connected to the internet since November 21st 2005. I see nothing wrong with the direction MS has decided to take and hope Sony follows suit as well. More profits and sales for publishers and devs mean better games for us consumers.
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What makes Gamestop a scumbag company has nothing to do with the used game market. Gamestop treats their employees like shit, judging their worth on pre-order sales, and selling "new" games when they've actually been opened (and sometimes stripped of codes). Unfortunately because Gamestop has a monopoly on the used game market (at least in the U.S.) they get away with this shitty behavior. On the other hand, as their own big company they may be starting to see their own folly considering they're having to close down some of their stores and maybe they can change.

The point is, Gamestop may be shitty, but the used game market =/= Gamestop. Punishing used games because you don't like Gamestop is dumb.
 
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Xun

Member
ShinUltramanJ said:
Do you think Gamestop manufactures these used games?

Just wait until word gets out among consumers looking for a new game console that they're forced to buy everything new, and can't borrow/loan/rent jackshit.
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I'm already eagerly awaiting the BBC reports on it, if it happens of course.

To see the reactions from the average consumer will be hilarious.
 
BigTnaples

BigTnaples

Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Meh don't care. I never buy used, nor do I trade in games.


I have 160+ games on Steam and I will never be able to resell them and they were all activated online.



But the internet will explode like it always does.
 
ACH1LL3US

ACH1LL3US

Member
Knux-Future said:
This doesn't make it okay.

Most PC game releases are not only cheaper, they are also often digital only...and the physical copies can still very well be sold used.

Just because Steam does it doesn't make it cool
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Noone is saying its OK. I am just saying it has already happened and there isnt anything you can do about it except not buy it.
 
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badcrumble

Member
To play devil's advocate: a lot of games have been made worse in order to prevent used game sales (with "value-extending" rubbish like tacked-on multiplayer and DLC that comes out months after the original game, not to mention mechanics designed to make sure it takes you longer to complete the game).

Granted, one can extend value in great ways (a prime example: Resident Evil 4's replayability, alternate campaigns, and Mercenaries mode). I'm not arguing against more and better content. But ripping the band-aid off could at least prevent publishers from demanding that every single game have multiplayer, DLC, and so on in order to prevent second-hand sales.
 
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yellow submarine

Member
JordanN said:
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Entire account is full of fucking awesome stuff.

Our event on 20th February is about the future of PlayStation so therefore it will not feature the PS Vita
I'll only truly believe violent video games influence real life actions if somebody develops Katamari technology and uses it to wreak havoc
Sony made a great acquisition at the THQ auction today. We bought the Udraw franchise and 250,000 unsold Udraw tablets for just $342.56!

https://twitter.com/KazHiraiCEO
 
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JMizzlin

Member
So when my internet drops I lose my progress in a game and can't continue playing?
So when I'm staying at someones house without internet I can't play at all?
So if I wanted an offline LAN party I can't do that?

Fucking pathetic. I play online as much as the next person but I definitely find myself in situations where I can't connect to the internet and thus play my games offline.
 
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kodt

Banned
BigTnaples said:
Meh don't care. I never buy used, nor do I trade in games.


I have 160+ games on Steam and I will never be able to resell them and they were all activated online.



But the internet will explode like it always does.
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Yeah but on Steam you can get like 30 games for $50 in some Publisher Pack. Then tons of sub $5 games during steam sales.

How many of those games did you spend $60 on?

If Xbox Live has sales equal to Steam Holiday Sales in terms of discount then sure, I'm all for DD future. But if we have digital games sitting at $59.99 3 years after release, forget it.
 
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