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[Rollo Lawson]

From a money sense it (very unfortunately) does.

But does it? I'm not sure how they'd implement it, but forcing a 1:1 link between a game and a console does a bit more than block used games. Borrowing games, renting games...done. I know they can see the potential problem here...I don't know, I just don't believe this rumor. It's way too extreme.

 

[gundalf]

You guys should read OPs posting again, if you read between the lines it actually says that there is a new abstraction layer added, which means that in the future updated hardware versions of the NextXbox can actually run on different(and cheaper hardware).

Yes this could mean that a NextXbox Slim will run Games more smoothly then the vanilla Release Console!

 

[Vinci]

Only if their games end up selling. But what happens if their userbase of players stops growing, or actually shrinks because of this decision? Those spendthrift consumers will continue to be their day-one, naturally, and fork over any amount of money MS and third parties ask for, but they are likely going to have trouble winning over that more cautious crowd of consumers who may not want to spend $600 just to play the latest Grand Theft Auto.

Then, gradually, the price will go down. Like any normal product. Or they'll have it on promotion. And gamers will go where the games are, for the most part.

Understand, I'm just responding to your conclusions, not espousing whether this is the greatest idea or not.

 

[Dion Blaster]

I don't think most people will stick with what they are saying right now. Simple as that.

Not buying the next Xbox or PS because of DRM or online only will not save the world, but hey if it helps you sleep better at night that your sticking it to MS or Sony more power to you.

I told myself that I won't buy a 360 if it keeps online pay, despite enjoying my Xbox 1. And I don't have a 360 this gen. It's not that hard when there is always competition to go to. Not everyone is blindly devoted to a brand.

 

[sixghost]

IMO, it's partially because of used games that it's half assed right now. No used game market = better DD market. That's not an excuse, because it sucks now, but going forward it could be done differently.

Could you explain this logic for me? I don't see how removing an almost perfect substitute good for a product would result in lower prices. I would argue that it is much more likely to have an opposite effect. Without used games to drive down the costs of new games, they have even less motivation to lower prices.

 

[Toki767]

What's going to happen is that Gamestop will end up including activation codes with their used games which they will probably buy in bulk so that their profit on each game sold is like a couple dollars less.

 

[KojiKnight]

You guys should read OPs posting again, if you read between the lines it actually says that there is a new abstraction layer added, which means that in the future updated hardware versions of the NextXbox can actually run on different(and cheaper hardware).

Yes this could mean that a NextXbox Slim will run Games more smoothly then the vanilla Release Console!

So... what you're saying it don't buy the first 720 version. Sounds good, as it'll mean they'll have to drop prices faster.

 

[PaulLFC]

The Vita locks out trophies on used games, so you know Sony will go an extra level with their new console.

What a fucking disgrace.

We don't "know" anything. Stop presenting your baseless assumptions as fact.

You're wrong anyway, the Vita does not lock out trophies. All it takes is one tap of "delete" on the existing game data and there you go - you can earn trophies.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

What's going to happen is that Gamestop will end up including activation codes with their used games which they will probably buy in bulk so that their profit on each game sold is like a couple dollars less.

Or games will have the option to 'buy a new license for £20' through XBL/PSN.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Already wasn't going to buy the next Microsoft box, but if this is true, jesus. That's much sooner than I thought. I was thinking the gen after this at earliest for this to happen.

You have to wonder just how many people this will sway outside of hardcore circles though; after the success of the online pass and similar experiments, I'd say not very many.

 

[yellow submarine]

Going to be f'ing great when Sony comes out with the same restriction on their next gen.

PC / Durango / Orbis -- all killing Gamestop's business model at the same time.

 

[M-PG71C]

Online always for me to simply play my games. Fuck that, my internet connection is not the most reliable and there is no-one else to switch too.

No used games is the cherry on top. If this is indeed MS's next console, count me out.

 

[ACH1LL3US]

I told myself that I won't buy a 360 if it keeps online pay, despite enjoying my Xbox 1. And I don't have a 360 this gen. It's not that hard when there is always competition to go to. Not everyone is blindly devoted to a brand.

And what would you do if both charge for online or both go the DRM route? No next gen gaming for you?

 

[Vitacat]

What you are describing shows that your not a passionate gamer, if you were you would deal with this. PC gamers went through this years ago and none of them are worse for wear now.

Its a shock that people on here ( a gaming forum) is saying they will give it up. Do you think that MS and Sony will change their mind when they realize your not buying games anymore?

Are you a corporate shill trying desperately to get support for this garbage?

Apparently your definition of a "passionate gamer" is a moron who takes whatever bullshit comes their way, and is so brain dead over a hobby that they'll give up any rights and spend any amount of money for it. In that case, no, I'm not a "passionate gamer."

 

[SmokedMeat]

This news makes me happy! One less console to buy!

Just um...please Sony, don't follow in their footsteps and be all anti-consumer with the no secondhand games bullshit.

 

[MysticX]

wiipcu this gen check!

this is a huge deal breaker!

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

passionate is an anagram of highly exploitable

 

[Illithid Dude]

I don't even mind the no used games, as I don't buy them anyways. It's the always online that bothers me. Where my Xbox is now, my internet is tenuous at best. If this is true, then I wouldn't be able to buy one.

 

[bigace33]

This still hasn't been confirmed by MS has it? This cannot possibly be true, yet reading this thread it seems all but confirmed.

 

[brochiller]

Sony is looking better and better next-gen.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

It's not imposible at all.

Terminate your COD6 key for $20 off next purchase from Xbox Live store.

You save money, no one else makes money. Done, Done.

Whose cut is that $20 coming out of? Activision or Microsoft?

 

[Knux-Future]

This shit seriously ruined my day lol.

I hope this is a load of crock honestly.

Pls Based Microsoft...don't be stupid.

 

[Mugaaz]

This is all unconfirmed rumor is it not?

 

[Omega]

Its a shock that people on here ( a gaming forum) is saying they will give it up. Do you think that MS and Sony will change their mind when they realize your not buying games anymore?

considering they NEED our money, yeah.

We don't need their games. There are plenty of other hobbies to choose from and plenty of other ways to play video games.

Seriously, when the fuck did people stop realizing they had the power and not these companies?

Without us, they go under. Without them, we buy somewhere else.

 

[The Outsider]

I'm predicting they'll make Live free for this, just as a concession.

But it is free

Spoiler

for silver users!

 

[ACH1LL3US]

Are you a corporate shill trying desperately to get support for this garbage?

Apparently your definition of a "passionate gamer" is a moron who takes whatever bullshit comes their way, and is so brain dead over a hobby that they'll give up any rights and spend any amount of money for it. In that case, no, I'm not a "passionate gamer."

No I am not a corporate shill.


No, my idea of a "passionate gamer" is not a moron.

The fact is more then likely DRM and online will happen to both consoles this next gen. I want to play next gen games. I have to deal with DRM and online or NOT play next gen games.

I choose to play next gen games.

Your choice obviously if you don't want to do the same.

I Just feel most of you are being way too extreme.. but we will see if you stick with it.

 

[TunaLover]

All this makes own a disc kind of pointless, in such conditions you would want go all DD.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

This is all unconfirmed rumor is it not?

Its unconfirmed rumour from a highly respected print source thats been up for 9 hours with no denial from MS and has already had an effect on stock prices.

 

[Red Blaster]

i dunno if I buy the notion that EA and others would freeze out Sony if they didn't implement a similar system as I doubt the extra sales gained from non-used copies offsets the loss they'd receive from not having PS4 skus

 

[Into]

This still hasn't been confirmed by MS has it? This cannot possibly be true, yet reading this thread it seems all but confirmed.

No it has not been confirmed, i think people are just responding to *if* it was true, sort of entertaining the thought of this.

 

[sixghost]

All this makes own a disc kind of pointless, in such conditions you would want go all DD.

Bandwidth caps are an unfortunate reality for lots of people.

 

[PaulLFC]

This is all unconfirmed rumor is it not?

So far, yes. But Edge up to now have been the most respected games magazine in the UK and are not known for making up rumours like this, so seemingly they are confident in their statements.

 

[Xun]

I've been more and more tempted, but I'm extremely close to buying a Wii U.

I just have to wait and see what else the system has in store first.

 

[Persona86]

What a load of pollocks.

 

[Wolves Evolve]

Selling used games is how I buy the older blockbuster games before the full priced sequels come out. Its how I experience most games. I prop up next game purchases with old.

If I'm not welcome in their economic model then I'm not welcome. But I buy a lot of DLC in those second hand games if its good. I'm definitely a net loss to the economics.

Most games I buy on steam are 2-5 dollars soooooooo not the same thing to me.

 

[SmokedMeat]

PC / Durango / Orbis -- all killing Gamestop's business model at the same time.

Do you think Gamestop manufactures these used games?

Just wait until word gets out among consumers looking for a new game console that they're forced to buy everything new, and can't borrow/loan/rent jackshit.

 

[brochiller]

All this makes own a disc kind of pointless, in such conditions you would want go all DD.

Yeah who is going to buy discs at all if everybody has to be online and you'll have no use for them after you activate your game. All you could do at that point is scratch it and have to buy a new one.

Only advantage I see is using less bandwidth.

 

[Ace Harding]

Or games will have the option to 'buy a new license for £20' through XBL/PSN.

Yeah I posted this in another thread - it could be like an "Online Pass" but if you don't redeem the code all you get is a demo. You get a free code when you buy new, pay $$ if you buy used.

 

[Incendiary]

You have to wonder just how many people this will sway outside of hardcore circles though; after the success of the online pass and similar experiments, I'd say not very many.

The problem is, this is clearly a case of the suits/big publishers/etc. wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want all the money. They want $60, $10-$15 DLC packs, $2 microtransactions, $30 season passes, no used game market. It's greed, pure and simple, and eventually it will lead to a crash. Companies push consumers around for as long as they can get away with it, but eventually consumers will push back and not buy the console.

If it's not this, it'll be something else in the near future. The video game industry has gotten too greedy for its overall good, and someday soon the line is going to be crossed and all the big companies will pay for it. No matter how many people don't care about these policies, the current video game market is not sustainable. Activision, EA, Microsoft, etc., they are all about the now. The $$ they can get at the current moment, which is why they make such a big deal about used games: it's money they aren't getting.

 

[arotator]

The PS3 will most likely be the last console I ever own. I haven't purchased a console game right when it came out, with the exception NCAA Football 13, since Red Dead Redemption. I only own 6 games, and two of them are NCAA Football.

My favorite console game of this generation is a toss-up between Pixel Junk Monsters and Demon Souls.

I am still actively playing games on PC, but aside from football, I really have no use for console games. I'll miss some of the downloadable titles I'm sure.

These rumors from both Sony and Microsoft are just the nails in the coffin as far as I'm concerned. Like others, I don't even buy used games, but it's the principle of the matter.

 

[NullPointer]

Seriously, when the fuck did people stop realizing they had the power and not these companies?

Been wondering that for a while now.

Once again I'd like to remind folks about Microsoft's attempt to charge for Xbox Live on PC. That really didn't work out so well for them.

If you don't want to see this continue, don't support it.

 

[yellow submarine]

Do you think Gamestop manufactures these used games?

Just wait until word gets out among consumers looking for a new game console that they're forced to buy everything new, and can't borrow/loan/rent jackshit.

It will certainly be interesting to see consumer reactions or if there is any effect on sales because of this. But, having seen this kind of thing succeed wildly in the PC market with Steam, it's a mostly safe move.

 

[Interrobang]

So your saying your more passionate gamer because your willing to give it up because the next gen systems will more then likely have DRM and have to be online.

Your loss.... so do you plan to play PS3 and Xbox 360 for the next 20 -30 yrs or are you going to go cold turkey?

You're the one saying you're a more passionate gamer because you'll blindly buy whatever new piece of tech they throw in front of you as long as you get your fix. I was having a discussion and arguing your points, but if you want to throw a little being-a-dick undertones into the mix too, I can play ball.

As a matter of fact I recently got very into retro gaming and plan on doing that for quite some time. Also, playing my 360 arcade games for as long as they decide to keep them alive.

I am no less passionate about this hobby than you, just because I have a line I won't cross doesn't mean I never cared to begin with.

NOW IMAGINE YOUR CONSOLE WORKS LIKE THAT!

21st century y'all.



god forbid anyone make a stand on principles, right? GOTTA BUY THE LATEST SHIT

Blackvette, a lot of people on here aren't even making the used game argument. A lot of people do not like where the industry is taking our hobby. No ownership, buying licenses, multiple copies of the same game for multiple systems, no alternative to buying new/until they decide it's time for a price drop, etc. I do not want to adhere to any agreement these companies decide to write up just because I want to play COD 10.

 

[alexandros]

Isn't Steam, as a free platform, smaller than the 360 install base, which is a paid platform?

No. More than 55 million Steam active users.

 

[bigace33]

Well I literally have enough games to wait out this entire next gen if I wanted to. I wasn't really in a hurry for this next gen to start anyway, now more and more it seems console gaming is headed in a direction that I am just not interested in. Motion controls drove me to PC gaming, and I couldn't be happier. Getting blockbuster AAA titles nearly day 1 for $15 or less is good for me. I'll stick with PC and old consoles until this mess gets sorted out. lol

 

[Drek]

The PS3 will most likely be the last console I ever own. I haven't purchased a console game right when it came out, with the exception NCAA Football 13, since Red Dead Redemption. I only own 6 games, and two of them are NCAA Football.

My favorite console game of this generation is a toss-up between Pixel Junk Monsters and Demon Souls.

I am still actively playing games on PC, but aside from football, I really have no use for console games. I'll miss some of the downloadable titles I'm sure.

These rumors from both Sony and Microsoft are just the nails in the coffin as far as I'm concerned. Like others, I don't even buy used games, but it's the principle of the matter.

The only info tying this to Sony was them investigating technology to perform it, just like they did on the PS3 without every really implementing it. The Edge article claims MS is full on implementing it starting with the 720 out of the box. Big difference here.

 

[YuriLowell]

The problem is, this is clearly a case of the suits/big publishers/etc. wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want all the money. They want $60, $10-$15 DLC packs, $2 microtransactions, $30 season passes, no used game market. It's greed, pure and simple, and eventually it will lead to a crash. Companies push consumers around for as long as they can get away with it, but eventually consumers will push back and not buy the console.

If it's not this, it'll be something else in the near future. The video game industry has gotten too greedy for its overall good, and someday soon the line is going to be crossed and all the big companies will pay for it. No matter how many people don't care about these policies, the current video game market is not sustainable. Activision, EA, Microsoft, etc., they are all about the now. The $$ they can get at the current moment, which is why they make such a big deal about used games: it's money they aren't getting.

Its just so incredibly short sighted to be so concerned about the the used game market so heavily.

 

[MightyHealthy]

Wow, thanks, that puts Live into perspective.

I didn't have to pay more to buy additional things or repair things that were broken.

Good job.

It was moreso to let people know that there was still a reason to hook up their 360 to the internet, despite not paying for Xbox Live.

Thanks for the snark, though.

 

[Persona86]

Selling used games is how I buy the older blockbuster games before the full priced sequels come out. Its how I experience most games. I prop up next game purchases with old.

If I'm not welcome in their economic model then I'm not welcome. But I buy a lot of DLC in those second hand games if its good. I'm definitely a net loss to the economics.

Most games I buy on steam are 2-5 dollars soooooooo not the same thing to me.

True, a lot of series games sales are from people who have bought the previous games second hand and loved it.

Having second hand games are a good way to get more people to buy your next game because you now have a bigger fanbase.

With PS4 at least we know we have PS+, a similar experience to playing second hand games.

 

[Fox Mulder]

And what would you do if both charge for online or both go the DRM route? No next gen gaming for you?

That's what I'd do. I've got stacks of incredible games spanning generations, and a sizable backlog of current gen titles that I'm chipping away at. I'm looking to roll over to 100k achievement points pretty soon. I also actually enjoy tablet gaming as well, and can always turn to other hobbies if I really have to.